Razard86

Identity is the cause of your suffering. I found Spirituality back in December and broke through this little identity game that humanity is playing. I can feel anger, sadness, disappointment, sick, in physical pain and still be at peace. The only reason you can ever suffer is if you become the emotion completely. Why identify with things that are temporary? Emotions are temporary. Your car is temporary. Your memory is temporary. Your life as a human is temporary. If you do not learn to release these attachments, you cannot actually enjoy them because you will be bouncing back and forth with the highs and lows associated with them. I really wish you could experience what I experience everyday as it doesn't make sense that you can be happy no matter what happens. This better than money, sex, status, etc because you don't have to do anything. You were born happy and socialized into identifying with the body and the story and constructed a psyche that makes you suffer. Doing the work breaks the psyche and reconstructs it in a way that is actually healthy. You can enjoy the human experience, without identifying as an actual human. But if this work is not for you then stop doing it and go after what you want. Also Spirituality is about complete surrender, so no you don't suppress your emotions you allow them expression just like everything else.

I'll give a very quick example. Many people think their consciousness is in their brain. Tell them that if they looked at a mirror and you cut open their head they would see a brain. How can the brain be generating consciousness when it is INSIDE consciousness. Let their mouth drop when they realize how foolish science has been this whole time.

You can't its not on you, its on them. If you want to do an experiment read them this verse and watch them squirm. https://biblehub.com/john/10-34.htm https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/1-5.htm https://biblehub.com/psalms/82-6.htm https://biblehub.com/luke/17-21.htm Now go have some fun as they squirm around and try to find reasons to tell you that you are wrong.

When you build a society on lies, authenticity of any kind is seen as the truth. So if a ego maniac presents himself as such with no shame, he/she will be seen as a truthful honest person. Trump and Tate represent societies lies coming back to find them. The same reason they gained power is the same reason comedy exists, society wants some authentic expression.

Suffering is God's grace. Notice how it took pain for you to realize the truth of your feelings? Now stay true to your feelings, stop burying them down under. If you think Spirituality is B.S. then ask yourself why and if the path is not something you really desire drop it all together. You don't have to do it, but notice you were drawn to it for a reason. But I'll give you some advice, whatever material possessions you attain will never truly bring you happiness. https://theblast.com/89066/diddy-had-a-rough-week-mogul-reveals-state-of-depression/ https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1151805-i-think-everybody-should-get-rich-and-famous-and-do https://psychcentral.com/depression/are-wealthy-people-more-depressed-than-others#:~:text=Is depression more likely in,higher rates aren't clear. Good Luck!! If you keep going further you can reach the peace that passes all understanding.

Neil has not done any research on this topic and tries to talk like an authority figure here. Watch this video.

I wouldn't say arrogance more like you don't yet have a feel for me. Most of your conclusions are relative to what is being presented right now. If you were aware of previous posts I made then you would have greater understanding of what is being presented. I made a topic awhile back called I love my ego. If you were aware of that post then you would know I don't demonize the ego. I just point out its extremes. Part of the reason it's so hard to drop the ego for most is that we all love our egos. I don't hate the character I have constructed but I do know how it will have a tendency to construct self-serving narratives so I watched it like a hawk with the understanding that the ego is the ground of reality. Without it, there is no stability and there is only free fall. So why would I hate that which allows me to experience a 3D world?

That's the point. Unless relativity is understood, every relative view will fight for infinity. That is what history shows, that is literally what this forum post is right now. Every disagreement is just disagreement between two relative identities. If you really want to understand the silliness of this, try to understand and take in every relative point of view that exists. You will start to realize why the ONLY solution is a raising of consciousness, and why suffering is often the only way for a relative point of view to become open-minded. Egos are severely stubborn and self-righteous. In fact self-righteousness and unworthiness are the two biggest drivers of fear and what you would call ego. Once you contemplate enough of on it and really open your mind to opposing points of view and understand from their vantage point you realize that the cycle will continue forever and is designed to TEACH THAT. This is why the only solution is love, because love doesn't care about being right, it doesn't care about obtaining everything, it cares about just the experience. I have literally done field tests in my own life and I laugh because it works absolutely. If you have no agenda, and take on others agenda as your own and support and help them they instantly love you. If you drop all agenda wherever you go you will be loved. Why? Because egos want their agenda fulfilled, and can only act from a place of love once their agenda is fulfilled. Think of egos as starving animals that want to be filled before they can fill you up. So if you are always full, then you fill others up and can slowly wake them up. Humans either become more loving through intense unbearable suffering, or overwhelming nurture and kindness. There is a distinct combination each individual ego needs to learn how to be less entitled. Now you think creating rules and ethics will fix behavior? All it does is create law abiding assholes. You know those people right? They are selfish, rude, uncaring, but they pay their taxes and don't commit crimes so on paper they are "good citizens." Then they get married and traumatize their kids, and every now and then their shadow repressed parts come out even more. If they have any talent and ambition they gain some power and authority and then corrupt themselves and others in power through manipulating them through their selfish desires. You see? How do you police selfishness? You cannot!!! Corruption is selfishness! If everyone is so got damn selfish corruption will always exist. This is an absolute! Selfish only wants what it can get for itself and whatever it identifies with. From the vantage point of selfishness if it doesn't align with what it wants its bad. That view is a corrupt view.

Holykael can only be the way he currently is lol. He will change when its time for him to change. Suffering promotes change so when the suffering gets ratcheted up it will force change.

Carl- Richard its like you refuse to see. Humanity has had a code of ethics for over 2000 years. The Code of Hamurabi and the Ten Commandments, and all these other codes Magna Carter, and all these other various laws and ordinances too many too count. Do you know how much ethical violations humanity has erected? None of them have stood!! In fact the ethical boards that are required to judge those violations also violate them!! Do you see? So what you are proposing has already been done!!! The Story of Adam and Eve LITERALLY tells the story of human history and its still happening right now!!! Its every POV arguing about what is right and wrong!!! Have you not realized how humanity has learned how to be more loving? From the contrast of being less loving!! All the pain, the turmoil, the documentaries and testimonials!!! That is how humanity has learned!! For example the invention of the TV helped push white people into the civil rights movement because they could NO LONGER avoid the atrocious behavior that was being inflicted. Before that they could avert their gaze, which humans love to do when something uncomfortable happens. So you could erect ethics and society will do what they always do, which is play favorites because they are full of fear/judgment. You cannot control fear through more fear, its a never ending cycle, Eventually someone needs to reach a level where they desire to be as truthful and loving as they can be without the need to control anything. A code of ethics is a desire to control, once you want to control something....a battle for control begins. https://apnews.com/article/kristi-noem-south-dakota-872aa9adc02bdbe4c6147c671e91053e Think about it, you don't trust people so you create a code of ethics. But then you need to trust the people you put in the ethics board to be free from corruption. BUT!!! How could you find out if the ethics board becomes corrupt? Who polices them? You will need another board to investigate them too!!! But!!! What if that other person is corrupt? Who polices them? And it goes on forever. You are looking for a ground, a solution, the truth is there is no solution!!! Any solution you deem even if it works will work for a time, then a new UNFORSEEN PROBLEM will happen again. This is why Spirituality exists, because humans keep thinking they can police themselves with rules, THEY CANNOT!!! They never have and never will!! Again...why do you not erect an ethic board for the jungle? You only erect ethics for humans!! Even worse, humans are out here being unethical about the environment!! We can kill more people by destroying the earth but you are concerned about ethics in Spirituality!!! So what happens if we become wonderfully ethical with each other in social situations but completely destroy our environment? You see? You see how silly this all is? Its just identity games!!!

I appreciate it really, but I am only able to see his behavior so clearly because I have been and still on occasion do the same thing. If anything he has been a blessing for me, because he awakens the part of myself that I wouldn't see otherwise. Sometimes we have to receive what we do to others, so we can see what we do to others lol, I can speak for myself that he has been VERY beneficial for me lol.

Here is a good video that addresses what I posted. Its an old video I watched that goes very well with what is being presented.

I'm glad you realize it!! Yes I don't say anything here out of self-righteousness, I say it because there is no where to go LOL!! Everywhere we go there we are. Also I apologize for me and the other male users on this forum who have a bad habit sometimes of ignoring what you and other female users are trying to communicate in service to us stroking our desire to share/teach with others. Please be patient with us, and don't worry these two above me just gave me a taste of my own medicine and so I get to feel the emotion of those who had to handle this behavior from me. I must say Proserpina their weakness in this regard is my own weakness as well. Maybe I should change my style to a question asking style instead of a telling a person style? Hmm I need to contemplate on this more.

Oh look another teacher!! Ivankiss, this message is a message for those who are not that deep into Spirituality. Not every point of view of Consciousness is ready to do what you have listed here. For them, this suggestion is something they can use. Also if I were to play the same that's your mind playing tricks on itself thing I would also tell you, that you trying to teach me is your mind playing tricks on itself. See? I am you, so who are you teaching? Also who said I was demonizing the ego? Notice that each and every one of your interpretations are your own. I haven't demonized the ego, the ego was created by God so why would I demonize it? Again you ALSO suffer from the same issue Someone here does in that you are trying to teach instead of trying to understand. You would do well to ask questions and seek to understand first. Since you want to teach I got a teaching for you, SEEK FIRST TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE BEING UNDERSTOOD. By your response you lack understanding of what has been written.

Someone is here I think you suffer from teacheritis, you addicted to being a teacher that you literally suffer from an inability to comprehend what is being read. I literally made the point that people should be empathetic and that they should use their past actions and behaviors as a medium for more understanding of others. But notice...that your responses do not include or address any of this. So yes you are playing a game, its called the I want to be a teacher on the forum game so anybody that posts I will attempt to teach them. You have been playing it for awhile now, its getting old man. And who are you helping....I wasn't asking for help I'm sharing a message. Sigh...I really hope you don't do this in your daily life as well. Yeah my Dad fits the bill of what you are describing so I'm speaking from experience. Where do you think all my revelations come from? LOL. I literally wouldn't be who I was if it wasn't for the low conscious people in my life, hell Someone here's unconscious desire to ignore people and try to teach them even helped me in my own personal life because it allowed me to see I was doing it a lot on the forums (still do to an extent) and in my own personal relationships. Also Proserpina at a certain point we have to be willing to face that pain, whenever you feel up to it, face a little of it more and more at your own pace. You won't like it initially but you'll be glad you did when you slowly overcome all the emotional pain you have been through. Facing pain has always helped me personally in the long run in pretty much any avenue in my life.

^^^Yes powerful!!! Martin's message shines through you!!! You got it!!! I can't wait for the day humanity can drop the fear they have and learn to love themselves.

Fear clouds our vision. Also we can get locked into our perspective and only those outside of it can see what we cannot. The more we grow our perspective by opening our mind, the more we can learn about others, and thus learn about ourselves in the process. But if you open your mind totally complete...well it gets hard to ground yourself lol. Also most people don't sit around all day and contemplate about anything...so they become fossils and parrots. But hey we are all doing the best we can....

I have come across a certain individual who made a claim that Spiritual Teachings aren't needed in the Spiritual Awakening Process which revealed to me the profound ignorance some have about the topic of Self-Deception. Its amazing how some people do not get this. Self-Deception is the fundamental default ground of reality. Spiritual Teachings are the strategy guide you as God created to guide you through the process. If you believe remembering your true nature and embodying it is such a easy thing to awaken and actualize you might be the most arrogant ignorant person on the planet. If it was such a easy thing, humanity would have collectively realized and actualized it. The Ego is a very tricky creation of yours, and if you take it lightly it will co-opt your entire life and take complete control and sabotage you. I've dealt with my own ego and others enough to know its sneakiness and what has helped me recognize it is through the feeling of separateness, judgment, being the ego, and the feeling of connectedness and patience being the true authentic expression. When I tell you the EGO is the ONLY obstacle in your life, you have no idea how important that statement is. There are no other obstacles in life but the EGO, if this isn't recognized then the EGO has you completely fooled. The only problem in life is EGO, anything else is falsehood which the EGO has tricked you into believing.

Wow Infinity is definitely interesting, this thought process would have never even crossed my mind.

If you assume that there is Razard86 saying there are low consciousness people then you automatically assume yourself to be high consciousness relative to him and that put you in a low consciousness mode namely judging Razard86. But you trick yourself into believing you are not judging them based on the appearance for example... but on "their" consciousness. Oh the games you play. Notice how instead of trying to understand what was being stated here, you have a habit of trying to teach people. I wonder how often you do this, because your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what is being presented here. You need to understand relativity otherwise your comments won't relate well. You can't avoid them, sometimes you will have to work along side them. Best to learn how to deal with them when the opportunities arise.

I appreciate it, its because I strive to see reality as it is, not how I want it to be. For example....I don't like murder, but I understand that is my own bias. When Martin Luther King was murdered his death propelled the civil right movement in a way that him living could not have done. Many tragedies shake humans up and cause a massive raising in consciousness that wouldn't have happened otherwise. So while I wish he didn't die in the fashion he did, I recognize that sometimes the stick is necessary (his death) to create a positive result.

I'm doing that, if I am then you would have provided an example already. Notice you haven't done that? You just projected onto me. Do you know how easy it is to say someone did something? Easy, you just say it. No examples, no pointers, nope you just say they did something. I have repeated again, ego is when you take an absolute perspective. Please point to where I am doing that? I respond to criticism which is constructive, constructive means it can be used to build/construct from. Telling somebody they are doing something, without showing where is not constructive. Notice....how I just provided constructive criticism by explaining what the issue is.

Carl your definition of abuse is your own creation. You could literally call anything abuse, in fact how you reacted to said abuse was with abuse. So how can you demonize, what you yourself are guilty of? You see? Egos play this game of doing the very thing they demonize. Its why you cannot defeat evil, by doing the same thing. You literally have to do the hardest most counter-intuitive thing, which is love. Also abuse is love, stop this nonsense. Humans view tornadoes and hurricanes as nature abusing them. A mother yelling for her baby to stop crying from the babies eyes is abuse to them. Sometimes what you view as abuse is NECESSARY!! All actions and all identities are relative!!! If a man comes in a room and starts killing everyone, are you going to demonize murdering him? Abuse isn't a problem, its whether that abuse was necessary or not. Some people respond better to the stick, and some respond better to the carrot. If you hate the stick you will call it abuse, some see it as love. Your inability to see it as love is your own problem. I say this with love, but you might see it as abuse lol.

Why, why must yall beat yall selves up so much!! WHYY!!!!!! Seriously man, you are not a 40 year old creep, that is an identity you have taken on, and you have sentenced yourself to hell with that one!!! Shawn you are 40 years old!!! You should at least by now have recognized identity and construct awareness by now!!! Free yourself from this identity and take on one that can be more enjoyable. Also you can learn how to pick up women at any age if that is your desire. PM me and I can point you to some resources if you are interested. Other than that please, please speak more highly of yourself man.

I don't disagree that we are moving towards justice, but that is only because consciousness is rising. No structure, no system, can ever create a world that humans can live freely in. Humans must first themselves become free, before they can create a free society. Every society's problems is just a reflection of their level of consciousness. People keep focusing on the system, you can fix the system all you want (and I am not saying it doesn't need to be fixed) but until the people in the system have a paradigm shift they are just going to keep operating from a place of nepotism. In fact its funny too me that majority of people I talk to who don't understand things from a Spiritual perspective really believe that things will stay this way forever. Pretty interesting to me.