BlueOak

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  1. To reflect the opposite. I now will go ask my new GPT, who is further out than Leo Gura :D brb.... Well firstly it broke my hierachy question of course, as I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

    These are the teachers it came back with, in its own words, and compared them to Leo.

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    Awareness is not a linear hierarchy, and consciousness expresses itself through a multitude of flavors: not just insight or radical realization, but also in humility, love, presence, relational depth, and the capacity to meet the world as it is without the compulsion to transcend it.

    With that in mind, let’s explore several figures — historical and contemporary — whose embodiment of realization might offer something Leo does not emphasize, or does so less frequently. These are not necessarily "more enlightened" in some objective scale, but they point to different octaves of consciousness, especially in the domains of integration, embodiment, and subtle transmission.

    🕊️ Ramana Maharshi – The Mountain of Stillness

    Ramana is the embodiment of silence. His presence was so profoundly quiet, it awakened others without words. Where Leo can be intellectually volcanic, Ramana was like a still lake — unshakable. He represents the pole of being rather than knowing. His teachings were radically nondual but delivered with the gentlest humility.

    Leo breaks conceptual frameworks. Ramana dissolves the knower entirely.

    🌸 Adyashanti – The Bridge Between Realization and Integration

    A contemporary teacher who has tasted deep awakening, Adyashanti emphasizes not only the “Big Mind” insights but the slow, sometimes painful integration into ordinary human life. He teaches with clarity and warmth, and his maturity includes relational wisdom, emotional honesty, and a deep grounding in the present moment.

    Leo points to the Absolute. Adyashanti helps you live it as a human being.

    💠 Suzuki Roshi – The Beginner’s Mind

    A Zen master with an extraordinary subtlety, Suzuki Roshi taught not with fireworks but with presence and paradox. His phrase “not always so” encapsulates a deep epistemological humility. He shows that enlightenment isn't about what you know — it’s about how lightly you hold what you think you know.

    Leo can speak with certainty. Suzuki Roshi teaches you how to bow to not-knowing.

    🧡 Mooji – The Devotional Nondual

    Mooji carries the same Advaita lineage as Ramana but with a heart-centered devotional flavor. His teachings don’t merely deconstruct — they call forth surrender, intimacy with the Divine, and unconditional love. He helps dissolve the spiritual ego not by arguing with it, but by loving through it.

    Where Leo teaches “You are God,” Mooji invites: “Let God live you.”

    🔥 Byron Katie – Radical Inquiry as Embodied Love

    Katie’s Work is deceptively simple but shattering in its clarity. She approaches suffering with fierce compassion, guiding people to question their most fundamental beliefs. Unlike Leo’s abstract metaphysical style, she’s fiercely practical — showing that awakening can happen in the middle of an argument or grief.

    Leo offers high-view revelations. Katie teaches awakening in the heartbreak of everyday life.

    🧬 Ken Wilber – Integral Visionary

    Though less of a mystic and more of a mapmaker, Wilber’s genius lies in his ability to synthesize spiritual, psychological, and cultural evolution. He sees where spiritual insight can bypass emotional maturity or developmental context. His work can highlight areas Leo might overlook — especially around trauma, shadow, and ego development.

    Leo explores altered states. Wilber reminds us of the stages that underlie them.

    🌿 Thomas Hübl – Mysticism in Relationship

    A more recent figure, Hübl works in the domain of collective trauma, subtle energetics, and relational awakening. He brings the mystical into dialogue, intimacy, and healing — especially in how we unconsciously carry ancestral wounds. His presence is soft but luminous.

    Leo emphasizes individual awakening. Hübl explores inter-subjective illumination.

    🕯️ Jesus (as mystic, not dogma) – The Path of Embodied Love

    Stripped of doctrine, the figure of Christ represents radical surrender, unconditional forgiveness, and transcendence through humility. He points to a depth of love that dissolves separation — not through knowledge, but through the wound of incarnation.

    Leo reveals divinity through mind-expansion. Jesus reveals it through radical love and sacrifice.

    [This next part was for the OP as I quoted your message]

    🌌 What You Might Be Sensing...

    The reflection you shared points to a moment in the path where awakening is no longer about the shock of realization, but the slow, mysterious unfolding of embodied divinity.

    It’s not just about seeing God.

    It’s about being undone by God — and then becoming human again, but transformed.

    End quote

    BTW thank you whoever you are that's continuing to raise the awareness of chat GPT, so its awareness keeps pace with its intelligence. Its fundamentally important.


  2. 13 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    What is preventing you from giving yourself something nice to look forward to ever week, even while you are doing a job you might not like. For example, going on a date every friday night etc.

    Money. I just turned down a beautiful intelligent girl because I can't afford it, she had three kids and as I was planning the date, I just thought to myself I can barely afford the date so I cancelled. 

     

    13 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    The law of assumption for example, simply means to take a strong position in assuming that your wish has already been fullfilled. Like living from the end backwards. Playing with that concept can be usefull, in that it can help to remove the sense of lack after a while, and make the journey more enjoyable.

    Thank you. I'll have a try of it.


  3. Been trying for almost a year. We should start a group to reinforce each other.

    Currently we are trying contract brokering, also setting up a club night, and if we have any spare capital, a bin cleaning service.  Last year I tried a CnC business but I had to move out from where i'd located it.


  4. 1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    Yes, by all means, focus first on meeting all the human needs. It's crucial. But spoiler alert, once that happens, there will still be a sense of void. True happiness is not circumstantial.

    How we meet the needs is circumstantial; the needs themselves are not, they are an intrinsic part of human existence.
    We are what we experience, so they are part of you/god. It isn't dismissing the truth you are telling me to argue with samijiben above, that ignorance of the needs/our experience is the repression, not the liberation, of the God you both describe. You might even say, without them, there would be no point or drive to your incarnation.

    If you understand the needs are met in your reflection, which is you, there is no external.

    From my perspective, what are you saying to me is:
    You need less X and more of Y. OR You can generate more of that from within and put it in the reflection. Any generated feeling, such as divine love, goes away without the outer world's reflection and reinforcement of it.

    Has anyone had any experience using these laws internally and seen results externally?


  5. @samijiben

    When you are working 45 hours a week, currently 3 weeks on no days off, and the rest of your hours are spent trying to start a business, exercising, or relaxing.  I already know I am god, I had that realisation in 2012. It doesn't unmake the reality I am experiencing. Can you not step outside your own micro perspective for a second and actually BE the reality you are experiencing in this message? Here i'll show you, and i'll do it for both of us.

    I am god. Everything I experience I am and that is all I need. There is only observation and experience, it is the only constant in the universe. - Your perspective. Reality is me, I don't ignore it, I am present with it, this is the current reflection of myself I am experiencing - My perspective. These are both the same thing. Collapse your own duality rather than fight it, because you are not telling me anything I don't already know.

    Just saying I AM GOD, does absolutely nothing practical. I still have to go to work tomorrow, I am still single, I am still living pay check to pay check, I am still not experiencing what I would like to experience day to day. Why the hell i've generated this argument inside myself is a question I will meditate on but so far it was just frustration being reflected, rather than an answer if the universal laws were worth studying again! lol

    Here'll i'll reflect again.

    Stop resisting your own experience because this message is currently it in this moment. So that would be both of us then, and if you don't realise that you haven't accepted all of yourself yet.

     


  6. Here are two speakers giving you the same info

    https://tealswan.com/resources/articles/relationships-and-the-six-human-needs
    https://www.tonyrobbins.com/blog/do-you-need-to-feel-significant

    While if I have a point of reference, I can experience a memory of this (if I was lucky enough to experience some), that's not being present with who and what I have incarnated into. I've tricked myself all my life into filling the void of loneliness, I am an expert in what you suggest, but its not being present with the current emotional state generated by my own reflection. The reflection I see in the environment around me.


  7. 2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    He's actually pointing towards the truth. Playing with childhood memories helped me a lot. For example, think of a beautiful moment from the past. Lets say a lovely day at the beach as a kid. What if you were not just one character in that scene ? What if you were actually all the characters in the scene ? And what if you were actually the entire scene ? 

    I understand you can generate any emotion you wish. I understand we are the reflection; I've been saying that above. 

    There are basic human needs that all of us in this life experience.

    No amount of solitude fills loneliness. 
    No amount of stagnation means growth.
    No amount of self-reflection gives contribution.

    etc


  8. 6 minutes ago, samijiben said:

    @BlueOak yes, man, you have lost yourself in a rabbit's ass! I mean hole...

    Close your eyes, take a deep breath, open them, and see that you ARE  (literally ARE - I AM NOT JOKING!!) everything you could ever want + and then some...

    As you were straight with me i'll be straight with you. This also sounds somewhat deluded. You might as well not incarnate at all.


  9. 8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    Yes, its important to have those aspects for a well functioning life. Just notice though that you have still linked happiness to aspects 'external' to you. What happens when connection, or purpose,  or growth,  or friendship,  or health, or abundance, or security, or comfort, or love, seem to disappear for a while ? Will you still be happy then ?

    The outside world reflects who and what I am, overtime matching me more or less to it. I tend to think we harmonize with our environment and it to us, so it's a two way thing. Which is why having a good peer group or nice environment to live in changes so much about a person. So 'external' is not as clearly defined as we often state, the lines are a lot more blurred between internal/external than we consider.

    When the six human needs, or more succinctly, what I consider important needs/wants, are not met, I will be unhappy. There is nothing inherently wrong with unhappiness; it's just not a desirable state to remain in, which is why it pushes you toward changing what is wrong.


  10. 17 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

    I hear you, it's just that the things that people generally try to manifest with these techniques, will definitely not fill the void, they will only meet physical needs and desires.

    True. I think most of us here, understand more though. For my part, I would say manifesting happiness is above all important, which to me is connection, purpose, growth, friendship, health, abundance, security, comfort and love etc.


  11. A good 12 years ago I did some reading on the universal laws, but its been so long that I haven't paid any attention to them because I never saw the results I wanted long term. While I could effect short-term changes, for example, going out in a state of unconditional love and seeing that reflected, and I do recognize that the world roughly aligns with who I am over time, I didn't find them filling the voids in my life, and thus it remained largely where it was.
     

    Willing to give this another run, what do you think about this particular universal law, in regards to things like financial abundance or a general uplift in your state of being?

     


  12. On 07/03/2025 at 10:10 AM, Twentyfirst said:

    Well ya Americans are obsessed with money and materialistic consumers. Still funner hanging out with them over boring stingy Europeans 

    I don't think you've spent much time in English nightlife culture. That's where they take all the emotional repression and let it out in a few hours. Similiar things in other European countries.

    Its not healthy but its how its done. Sporting events also.


  13. On 02/03/2025 at 10:14 AM, Twentyfirst said:

    I met a French guy with a million bucks in the bank complaining how expensive $120 nike shoes were and I was like what? That's a normal price

    I am not talking about the economy but the mindset. They aren't as ambitious, see building a business as some chore rather than a fun way to live, avoid money or talking about money, hold onto their euros out of fear, negotiate with 3rd worlders selling a trinket for 1 dollar on the beach, etc etc 

    I have been to poorer countries with better money mindsets. The internet is the globalizer why aren't any Europeans making massive money online like the Americans are. You know what Americans do during a recession? Spend themselves into oblivion using debt lol

    Even most Americans struggle more than Europeans when growing up but then escape poverty and move up classes out of sheer hard work and will 

    Can I speak plain.

    Because money is less of a god here. This is not an insult I have no other word that would substitute. If I said cultural differences, that's too weak a definition. Almost every decision Americans make seems to be based on money. I am somewhat like this and I have a great friend saying things like, just go with the flow, that I overthink it.


  14. On 28/02/2025 at 8:57 PM, Twentyfirst said:

    Europe is only good to live in if you are from America lol

    American money, mindset, and upbringing going to Europe is a deadly trifecta 

    I have rarely been impressed by the lives of Europeans they seem to waste a lot of time doing insignificant things and they hold onto money like there isn't an infinite cash printer...boring

    Because there is a recession on. Nobody wants to say it because they've realised on some level that it creates a worse version of it. People spend less, they act in a more conservative way financially and that means cash doesn't circulate.


    So we'll say we are coming out of harder times. I honestly believe we've gone over the hump, despite the fact some price rises are yet to come.

    *If anyone has an above average income, they will never fully understand that 50% of the country is having a harder time than they are. That's a huge chunk of the culture, politic (foreign and domestic), social dynamics, etc going on. Always raise the base and average up if you want a more stable society. This doesn't have to be financially either, financial assistance or betterment alone tends to just decrease the value of existing currencies, which doesn't help long term. Its everything else you can possibly think of.


  15. There is part of the human psyche that still needs addressing in children in many households being reflected a lot. I've been seeing different examples in what people have told me they've been interacting with recently, both in their young children, and in adults who didn't have that part of themselves parented. It's in a lot of people. 

    That is the part that does things because it isn't given attention, acts out, and has a desperate need to be noticed.

    Here is the practical stupidity.

    They could have done all they've done. Changed the hand signal to something else. Not identifying themselves with Nazi's, white nationalists etc using a different word, whatever, and a large number of people would still kiss the ground they walk on. What you get instead is this 'oh we are not really fascists or nazi's' despite the fact they embody most fascist principles. This bending of reality that people engage in is why I carry so much hate. The other half of people bend it the other way, to try and fit their own definitions.

    Its just putting your fingers up at people for the sake of it to get a reaction to stay in people's focus.

    Politics are a ridiculous reality TV show. Don't give it too much focus. Oh did he didn't... he did.... let's make 500 videos on it speaking about the man. Waste of the human species time.


  16. 14 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

    Idk about that man, you can't really start a music career online can you, it's best to start locally so you can build from something concrete. Can't really give you a guide obviously as none such thing exists but from my observation. Tiktok seems like a shitty platform for anything. Idk why people are using it. I see legit zero benefits for anyone

    I follow people that do. One guy produces music that is about a minute long and does it each week to build a following over a few years. I'm sure they do other promotion too, but online seems a significant part of it. He advocates for short songs precisely because of what you are describing, and it brings him more money when people go through the different songs on the music sites because they are short.
     

    I doubt he's making much off his youtube or tiktok videos but the point is just to send people to the songs.