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Her social intelligence is not her strong point as demonstrated here, and that I've always had a problem with, or found flaws in. I agreed above that her name and personality is too front and center to not avoid things like this, so in that I do agree with the psychologist. I also agree with him that she does push people, and I liked that trait, because ten years ago I was far too stagnate in my own misery, I wore it like a cloak. By following her completion process I managed to work through some issues, and it was uncomfortable and it did push me and I was alone. Because I could not afford a therapist. So let's be frank. Where are all these free therapists for people? It's alright pulling one of the few sources down, but who is replacing it? Because the people that need therapy the most can never afford it in the first place, so again we stagnate as a society. If you have a link to someone who is more emotionally intelligent than teal swan, I would genuinely like to follow them. I've never found them. In which case who is meant to mentor her on that aspect of life? I'm sure someone out there exists but it's such an underdeveloped topic we could use more references. Some leaps of judgement, in that someone has an argument, and now supposedly they don't want anyone around them that questions them? Well then why or how was there an argument? He contradicts himself on this point, as an argument can only come from two opposing viewpoints. As for emotions and regulating them, that's unhealthy in itself for a frank discussion in this sort of setting. You want your emotions on as a guide. That's the point of her work. This is not a professional setting where a standard of behavior needs to be met, it seems to be a small group of people chatting together. Yes you do need to figure out who you are. I don't know where he got 'damn the world' from, but we need a certain amount of damn the world to change it. This is another example of how we are losing or have lost the drive to change, it needs a certain amount of radical thinking or action which says damn the status quo.
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Never called you stage orange at all. I don't profess to know anything about you other than this post. The orange comment was how a business operates free from this type of PR nightmare, with often far more powerful and dangerous people running them. By using her name she's brought some of this on herself to deal with operating in this type of environment. I am saying you are trying to label someone a cult leader who has been helpful to millions because you don't like how she operates. Because some people have chosen to hang on every word she says. People express love for her, because she's speaking to areas of themselves that are neglected or unloved, and when you do that a reaction is common, it's called transference. It happens to many therapists for example and they have clear guidelines how to deal with it. That's their issue, in their psyche. Over an audience of millions gaining some unstable students or people following her work is going to happen, especially because a percentage of people go to teachers like this because they are suicidal. Sure you could tell her to distance herself more from them and address it more, that might be valid. Work on boundaries in her videos for her students, but she'd be needing to reinforce that on a regular basis for it to be effective. I see this word cult thrown around all the time for anything, and it's getting to the point it's ridiculously overused, and part of the reason no change is happening in society anymore. It's one more tool of suppression in the collective psyche. I could have been nicer in how I phrased this, and I apologize for that, but it doesn't change how much I hate this.
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People aren't all aspiring to be a better person, this is your goal I assume? It's not for a lot of people. You apply morals to use them to guide you, a lot of people don't. Some people even go as far as to celebrate immorality or excess, or breaking the rules even or especially because they know it's wrong. I would say it's a spectrum you are looking at, not a black or white response.
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In a purely orange society. She's forced into defending her public perception because she's using a personal identity to sell herself. Most people in business use a label that can be branded, and separate themselves from the product, eventually the company or just rebranding itself constantly to avoid the bad PR. Nobody is perfect and it builds up, people pull videos from 10 years ago and say SEE SEE. It's honestly sad how a public figure is framed by their three worst videos, rather than their 500 average to good ones. You'll focus in on that with your bias, and say that's her, because it suits your bias for that to be the truth. The truth is a person is a hugely complex thing and should be judged on their entire history if at all. As for ex-members leaving in terrible shape. She will break down your identity and ego, as will most teachers worth anything. You will have crisis like this if you do this work. I have twice. If you can't handle it, let life teach it to you more slowly. Also people do get in terrible shape all by themselves, to say she's responsible for their psyche or life entirely is to assign her powers that simply don't exist. Now my own bugbear. 'Cult' the term universally applied to anyone who has even a thought that isn't in line with what society says you should have. Don't dare form a group that acts outside social norms, tries alternative solutions, or even forms a way of life that isn't a 9-5 robotic way of life enslaved to billionaires, you'll be flooded with messaging like his. I have little bias towards Teal. I watch her time to time, her videos on inner emotional work helped me a decade ago. Her videos on society in general I have/had a lot of issues with. Yet this programming you have in your mind to call something outside of your experience a cult always infuriates me.
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Re monogamy and polyamory People need different things, especially on this topic, because it's very personal to each. I could list them all and I started to but we'd be here forever.
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No. I never cheat and will never cheat. It all depends on you what you need from a relationship and if Monogamy is important then that's what it is. People do change over the course of their lifetime, and sometimes sadly the new people they become don't have the same passion or love that you both found to start with. They find this difficult to communicate, for obvious reasons, and it can mean they become attracted to a different type of person. This usually happens more often when you are younger and changing more rapidly but not exclusively. It sounds like this is very important to you, so don't give up on looking for it.
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I'm going to quote tony robbins here as I agree with him on this. There are different ways people express love for each other, sometimes its verbal, sometimes its touch, sometimes gifts, and sometimes its an experience or being there. All these things people are telling you to do, depend on him. There is usually one that strikes a chord stronger than the rest. Like how someone says a word or name a particular way, or an especially romantic trip, or the way you hold them, or that you know them well enough to get them a touching gift. For me it's touch. A touch on the arm, a hug, etc. That would be how to initiate or for someone to begin to show interest. You are beginning to know him, but if you need to tick all the boxes, its words, being there with him, it's a personalized gift, and its the way you might touch his arm or hug him. Hope it helps.
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Why would they cease to exist automatically? I also think you underestimate people's awareness of their own more obvious flaws. At least where I live you won't find anyone saying they are perfect. If you recognize you are flawed, and everyone is, it doesn't fix your flaws without a great deal of effort that most people won't put in.
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Every word is a stored duality you then tell to others or yourself. In this case it's a biased shared set of behaviors for people to, hopefully, collectively have a better quality of life. The individualist in me also chuckled when I read the title. Because to the individual ego to be told to act counter to itself in someone else's bias, is naturally resisted, for the collective to be healthy it's very important to have a collective set of morals. It helps mend disagreement, or avoid conflict in the first place.
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Encourage their development, which is part of education, being a good parent or teacher. Every interaction changes your consciousness and theirs. What values they take on will be from their starting consciousness, parents, society, then experience and choices. Usually you can't help anyone do anything directly unless you've established trust, they've left their ego at the door (a comedian for example), or they've come to you seeking your help or advice. That doesn't mean this interaction here for example is wasted, you'll take what makes sense to your conscious life experience and use or not use it. Sometimes something that has been said will come back to mind, even if you didn't accept it the first time, and all of it is now in your subconscious to help you relate and form references in the future. Nothing heard is ever completely wiped from experience even if it's heavily suppressed or avoided, everything even what you hate has a purpose. But then you are probably more open to this than most, because you are on a personal development forum and have come to among other things learn or better yourself perhaps. You are not completely cutting yourself off from learning from other perspectives, otherwise you'd probably leave here and go live in a comfortable bubble. You could focus on learning with a child. Leo and others have for example said to fall in love with learning, if a child or someone who trusts you can begin to do that, in their own way, they will be set for life of personal or professional development and adaptation. I don't distinguish morality from experience to be clear. Experience often forms morality even if it has to drag you across it the hard way. Everyone grows painfully or peacefully.
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Any nutritionist worth a damn. https://nutritiondata.self.com/ As long as you are getting what your body needs and not overcooking your food to a crisp, then you are getting what your body needs. That link is one I used to use when I was in the industry to suggest foods as supplements, it breaks down what each food has in detail.
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No. Trust is very important to me, and I respect myself too much. I do think you need to discuss what you both want in any relationship, and what you expect. I understand some people prefer open or casual relationships and if that was agreed that would be okay. I'd also like to make sure someone could be secure in our relationship so they can talk to me. If they needed something else emotionally, sexually or physically from me we could discuss that for example, every so often make sure they know you are thinking of them and ask. If you are making sure your partner and you are both satisfied and happy in the relationship, and then they still can't keep their pants on, I wouldn't be with that person. I would feel a strong sense of betrayal and I don't handle betrayal well. I wouldn't even discuss it with them, I'd be out the door. I would not stay with her either for the kids, that'd be a toxic hellhole and I've lived through enough of that.
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BlueOak replied to Mesopotamian's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Yes. We often judge the immediate stage outside of our own development, because we are moving out of it, finding reasons why its no longer complete. Without that opposing drive, we'd just stay in that state of mind/body. Judgment is necessary but its useless without yellows individual solutions following it, and yellow doesn't give a complete picture, without understanding the complete picture is everything in Turquoise, or the pure selfless intent of love in stages after that. Further, we tend to be in different stages depending on who we are interacting with, and in different areas of our lives. For example, in interaction with orange, green will display its conflict with the individualist drive, in interacting with purple it will reconsider aspects of harmony found in nature it's left behind till now. Imagine though you are in stage orange fully. You would see others below you as lesser, perhaps of less 'value', and so entering green you will be carrying that with you until you see how all the stages are important, and (eventually) all perspectives carry their own value to the whole. You'll believe you know better than anyone else because you see/feel things they don't. You won't necessarily see how without orange the wheels of life would not turn, and without the drive inherent in orange you'll be left drifting. Many of us need to be humbled. I feel greens rebel against orange somewhat and create a shadow or absence of it, I've seen that so often in others and myself I think it's a natural reaction to mend. Picture the man or woman who is socially conscious, but has no security in his/her life, I don't mean someone who is self-sufficient, but someone who has to live off others to survive. -
BlueOak replied to Mesopotamian's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
I think you were harsh on violet there, she was giving you the path that most materialist countries need to take to adjust. By alienating those who would try to help you'll get nowhere. A step to be free of overt materialism where it exists is recycling and using second-hand goods. Minimalism and using less or being self-sufficient where possible is the step after that. Another way is to address the need people have to fill loneliness or a lack of driving purpose with items/stimuli. Taking the premise that most are of average consciousness. People grow up in the society they are born in and take on the values they are presented with. They are that group consciousness. Occasionally making small changes along the way from experience. To take the great leap you want from a materialist lifestyle doesn't happen often, and I honestly doubt your country would be all that different in the same place. Sure there are contrarian individuals like me that will agree, that the only way to achieve what you want is to fight yourself and your own need to consume, or the animal instinct present in all people, which is how you become more spiritual over lifetimes. In spiritual texts it would be called the beast or animal, the only failing in some texts is they look outside of themselves for it. All the so-called second-world countries that develop into first-world countries are the same because they follow the same pattern. The more they get the more they want. Because that's who those people are. It all comes from their own body. I would love to be out there now in a mass protest against materialism and corporate greed. But protest and organizing as groups were suppressed and the population diverted or programmed away from them decades ago. Protest itself is a dirty word, and rendered largely ineffectual by law, because it doesn't target the billionaires in positions of power, it targets their middle-management politicians. Whereas gatherings of social change are considered radical fringe elements at best and cults at worst. If you want effective social change start looking at where the efforts of that change are capped or stopped. The great effort put into labelling people outside of normal social structure as bad, wrong or ill in some form. Looking at online surveillance, censoring, laws on protest or social reform, and the many societal structures that prevent you from actually influencing people of power. The ones with the actual power, those with vast amounts of money. Billionaires - With actual power. Law - Protecting them Politicians - Taking all the credit/blame. Giving you leaders to root for or hate. Political Delusion - Splitting the populace into two or more groups to argue with each other. Its so bad at this point, not only do we have a layer of focus away from people with wealth and power towards politicians, but we have a great illusion going on that people are arguing with themselves below that. They've been divided up, and to hold that division two entirely separate sets of facts are released, that are contrary to each other, it's a brilliant and sadistic manipulation that is three layers deep. You'll see it on this very forum on all manner of important topics. -
Of course it is my own bias. That was the point of that ending comment to highlight it, if you speak to thousands of people at once with whom you have no connection or relation you will get a wide variety of responses for a wide variety of reasons, of which you have no idea about or why. People who work for a newspaper that shapes their entire public perception via words should know this, I'm sure there are even professional guidelines about how they should act on their public twitter accounts. People can post whatever they want. Then they see the consequence. Specifically, if we make a joke about mental disorders like bipolar, BPD or maniac depression etc, over an audience of thousands, it's likely to trigger people in a wide enough group size. I realize this was a tame joke but the point still stands.
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I think it is useful for a business to reach customers. Just treat it like that.
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Always two identities being used to argue over. Whether it's collective or individual. It's human nature to seek the division out and give it meaning. After the meaning is found out, the quicker it reintegrates into normality the better. We have our two sides, so we can have our battle and people can take a stand. That's what's important to some, the argument itself, or winning or losing. Feeling good that they got to speak their minds, or connect to others that think like them. People can recycle something as long as there is any friction there. It does a fraction of the damage cable TV does, while allowing communities to form connections more easily. It still has the inherent problem(s) like He/she who speaks loudest gets seen the most. Things stay up or around longer than they should, because it's a wider audience than it naturally would be, someone is always available for comment. Manipulation is easy to an audience of thousands, you get so much feedback that it just takes one idea to run with from the feedback. Text words are flat, they have no context or emotion, you are usually replying to half the story or a stranger thousands of miles away, with a history or community you know nothing about. Mob mentality happens in collective communication like this. That's just off the top of my head. I don't use it because I don't have a business or group identity I belong to, and I think personal communication is better in person. But I also cannot name many places where social orientated discussion or change happens so *shrug*, in that respect, it's a necessity.
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BlueOak replied to CuriousityIsKey's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Take the events that drag you down into animal behavior the most and eliminate them from your life, or reform them to be more mindful/conscious. That'll eliminate the lowest points of your day. The densest and most unsubtle where you are aware of very little. Work on integrating the pieces of your emotions/psyche that are hurting, or in pain. Spend time in the emotions that hurt the most, so you are not pushing them away and welcome those parts of you back to yourself. To stretch the higher states: Find teachers that are in higher conscious states and listen to them. This might be enough on its own. Visit them if you can. These are the ones I am currently watching: Acharya Prashant, Mooji, Mantak Chia, Innerstanding (Sevan), Leo, Teal Swan. If you are more mathematically orientated, Daniel Winter was a nice man. If you want a very loving shaman, Almine. Understand they are not perfect interpretations of your reality bubble, none of them, be aware of their flaws in the wider context of your life, but listen now and again because they all have wisdom to share. Have a want to see more than one side of something, and understand everything is you (so there are no sides). Realise that you perceive, interpret and assign meaning to everything in life. Once you've got that understand that you are always reacting to the meaning you've assigned to that thing. So you are reacting to yourself, always. Find out what will neutralise something not just add to it, develop that as a skill. Love. Value existence. Love all you can whenever you can. Show gratitude, Joy. Learn to put your hands together and generate gratitude, joy, and love. Tell people you love and are grateful for them. This raises you out of the base states of consciousness by itself. Because you are loving yourself and experiencing the benefits of that love/joy or gratitude. Work with the body's energy. It's universal, anyone can do it. For me that's kundalini yoga and Taoist energy practices. This will raise your awareness of yourself. Detox. Remove all the dense metals and toxins interfering with your body/mind. Do this often, and understand that each organ passes on the waste to the next one in the body. There are some detox's that take this into account, or just do it yourself, taking a week for each organ with herbs and supplements for it. This sounds more dramatic than it is. Remove death from your life. Ask yourself if what you are doing is life or if its death. You can do this with almost anything, even mundane things like your daily routine or working. Are you feeling like it's draining you or others around you of life, or enriching and giving it? Eat more raw foods that are whole and uncut. You are energy if you want more awareness you need more energy. Its spent all its life growing into that perfect form for a reason. The second you cut, or cook it, you miss the energy release, and it starts to bleed out or diminish. The longer something is cooked the less it is. You could also go for supplements like etherium black, etherium gold, or alpha brain. I don't recommend relying on these, but using them for short periods to achieve something like dream recall worked wonders for me. Dream recall, practice listening to your subconscious. There is the waking state and the dream one, they are sometimes in chaos trying to communicate with each other sometimes. Try to bridge any gap that exists before things have to hit you head on in the real world to see them. People have a gut feeling, and instinct, sometimes a nagging thought about act. This is the same thing. Don't take dreams at face value, look for meanings and patterns. Do this in everyday life start to look for subtle rather than the obvious. Start to realise how things interconnect or relate. Realise that its all being shown to you for a reason and there are clues in every experience as to larger patterns and messages you are sending yourself subconsciously. Remove all electrical appliances from your bedroom and where you meditate. Keep the space as clear energetically as you can, burn some white sage now and again, or use a tibetan bell. We are all frequency, and we influence ourselves by influencing that frequency, sound healing is incredibly powerful to stabilize our body's fields, get rid of music that has no harmony to it, try solfeggio music, or music retruned at 528hz. Clear your spaces, and organize your rooms. Make the out like you want the in to be. Everything is based on the body so what you are outside comes from what you are inside. This is why we and everything around us lives in cycles of the same thing over and over, because we don't fundamentally change who we are. I used to think this was only mind or emotion but no it's body too, because body/mind/emotion are all the same thing. Love and Gratitude to you all. Hope it helps! -
Just make sure you get a wide selection of vegetables and don't overcook them. Steam them so more of what you need still exists. If you can eat the occasional raw vegetable do it, if not get some salads too. If you are going to fry all your veg, grill or overcook them then yes I imagine that is where people get into problems.
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I am a vegan bodybuilder that finds it hard to keep his weight down when I am not doing three or four days of exercise a week. I am living proof you can be both a bodybuilder, or fat, and a vegan. Its mostly down to how many carbs you have and portion size. I have been extremely thin when I was detoxing and on a raw diet, back to the weight I was as a teen training for my blackbelt, but I was in good health. My aim is to go back to my raw diet at some point, with the usual vegan protein supplement and maybe some tweaking to it. However I can also guarantee I get much less sick than I did as a meat-eater, and my overall appearance makes me look about 10 years younger than I am, more when I am on raw foods. I should add I've been a vegan, with a wide vegetable intake, since 2011 ish. So plenty of experiential evidence from my own life.
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If you are going to put stupid statements like that into a message and send it to thousands of people that often have no connection to you, you have to accept you are going to trigger emotions and responses. They may be having a bad day, had bad experiences which would trigger that, they don't know you well enough to know you are joking, or what your intent was, etc. Its not like you are sitting at home with friends or at a bar, joking around with people that know you well. He's working for a newspaper that's entire business and image are created through words, and he's just cost the paper some money. So his boss suspended him for being dumb. Outside of that it's all he said she said identity politics. Yes she's obviously had an emotional response to this, maybe some guy treated her like dirt and this has brought up some emotion related to it, we don't know. That's the point on internet platforms, you are reaching many eyes in so many different walks of life and states of mind, you have to expect all kinds of responses and consider what you type in public roles. It just so happened it was someone he worked with, and perhaps for all we know has a history with, responded which made the situation more difficult for him. As to what I thought, it was a stupid joke and bipolar disorder or sexuality is not a fun thing to joke about, neither needs to be in comedy to make yourselves feel good.
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I want to counter my own point above to you give both sides of it: Should you talk about obvious frivolous lies and give them energy, or leave them. I used to always say leave them. Leaving them doesn't waste your time/focus which could be used on something productive, but it does isolate people into their own reality bubbles more, so when you do interact with them there is more division and friction. I suppose there has to be a middle ground where it's worth a word, then to be left alone.
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BlueOak replied to Barna's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There was a time spirituality was more loving certainly and in the race for authenticity we've changed what spirituality is. Being more loving is in part being more open-minded. Not agreement, people mix this up, but open to listen. If you want to see that reflected in your own reality start being more loving yourself. I love how authentic Leo and modern spirituality have become because I can practically use more conscious knowledge in my everyday life. I want spiritually to reflect more love (open-mindedness) back as well. Leo has recently done a few videos on love which I am grateful for, I've yet to watch the latest one but I plan to soon. I tried to generate the feeling of gratitude now which is easy, love is harder but I got a few seconds of it. Which now means that reflects in the reality around me from this conversation. -
Every interaction changes society, even this one. So don't think anything is completely hopeless. I listed a few methods like minimalism moving us away from materialism slowly, and I would add the various websites trying to offer news as a summary of all channels to prevent division as well to that. There is a helpful website that rates media bias for example, these things are in their infancy still but they weren't there at all last decade. A more positive way to look at it might be, that change isn't easy, and if you are a progressive your job isn't meant to be easy. You are pushing a tide or ahead of the wave as it were. At the moment the pendulum of liberal to authoritarian is still swinging to authoritarian, though Russia's authoritarian vs democratic war, and the backlash to the abortion laws in America have thankfully halted that a bit. For large-scale change, I would say Oeaohoo sums it up well. If you can work out how to get people to care as much about a large issue like the environment as they do personality politics, what someone is wearing, what words they used, etc. Then you've gone a long way to facilitating what you want. Politics is entirely focused on anything that doesn't cost billionaires money. Any issue can be debated that doesn't cost a cent/penny. It can be serious like racism/abortion or it can be frivolous like clothing/wordplay, because none of that matters to a billionaire's bottom line. A favorite of the system is to build politicians up and rip them down, because again none of that matters to a billionaire, and if you are engaged in that drama outside of an immediate election you are completely wasting your time. Power is where power is, and protesting politicians is like appealing to middle management for a change, when it's in the hands of the billionaires calling the shots. Though the second you actually begin to protest billionaires or their interests, you find yourself shut down quicker than you can blink, banned off youtube/google etc. Laws are specifically in place to shield them. When I was making too many waves, I got some attention like that and plenty of people have been banned or harassed for the same. The power they wield over the population is only growing as the wealth gap does, because money is power for the most part in western societies. Funnily, there are many people who want to defend billionaires and defend this power gap. You have to get past that wall before you can even address the issue itself of getting people to care about something other than instant gratification.
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The figurehead has to reflect what society expects or accepts else there is civil unrest. So while I could say a country's leadership is inverted from my perspective, if the people there accept that governance then I would be giving myself fully to my own bias. By changing what people accept or expect you change what leadership they will have. There is always a greater perspective to have, and I will always expand mine. I assign meaning to what you say and then react to myself. Everything is contained within the mind, and the mind itself is a concept of consciousness. So there is only consciousness that is shaped and changed by every interaction by every person on earth. When it is time and I've learned what I need to, that definition will improve again. Gratitude for the discussion and your time/energy it was interesting to interact with a different and conscious perspective. All the best. @Oeaohoo
