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@stefm5 Its like I am back 20 years ago, seeing the Russians repeat the Americans words to me. We invade! They are in the buildings, so we destroyed the buildings. We don't know who to shoot, so we shoot a lot of people. What other option did we have? NOT TO BE THERE. Only now we've got people imprisoning people that talk about it, and someone saying that's a good thing. So they can't even see what is going on and have any reflection to the truth within their own country. I mean all these dystopian predictions seem to become more true every year.

So the problem is what you believe to be possible. You are seeing the nature of reality and its scary. I get that. What you believe to be possible shapes your life, your reactions, your fears and your reality. Do you see that? So rather than having 1 single belief here which seems a monumental thing to overcome, you have several to look at. Anything related to you. If you believe you are an idiot chances are you will be. You will look for things in life that reinforce that and say see that's the example! When an other might just say that's life, that's the way we learn, or that was me on a bad day. Uncertainty is understandable when you begin to see this. Fear is understandable as you question the nature of how you shape reality. So take it slow and meditate, calm yourself and approach it with that mindset. Otherwise stress and fear can be cumulative. Its also understandable that you are wanting to group all of this under one fear and disassociate it as that one thing. *Couldn't see the video at first but i'll have a watch thank you.

Shake the belief up. Say something absurd outloud. Say a pig in a dress will be standing behind you, offering you a cocktail with a pink umbrella 5 minutes from now. Your belief is what shapes your life and you can now see that belief outside of yourself, so even now its not got the hold over you it had. As soon as something becomes conscious everything changes. Life will reflect that its an irrational fear now rather than an actual reality, so you've already changed your own reality. Pick your beliefs and identities to give you the life you want.

@Preety_India Sorry if I was harsh. Just emotion coming up. An opposite perspective might be: *The self righteous attitude of western leaders that they know best. *Belief that democracy was right for everyone. *The ability to distance ourselves from others suffering, its over there on TV so it doesn't matter. *An entire industry in America and other countries dedicated to causing as much war as possible for profit. *People being excited about war, fixated on its 24 hour coverage. Media and films highlighting this *The belief that we are safer if one country rules the world and we align with its values. *WW2 causing such trauma that we wanted a single global power to save us from it happening again. *People in Power using division as a way to make a name for themselves *The cold war. The belief communism or socialism needs to be fought globally by force of arms, and by using anyone to do it. That's off the top of my head for another non NATO perspective.

@Preety_India *Missing the aggression of Authoritarian Regimes that causes the fear and the will or want to be aggressive. *Missing the rising eastern powers changing the balance within Russia, Nato, America, Europe etc. The fear and reaction this causes. *Missing the meddling of the east in west politics. *Again Missing Ukraines perspective *Missing the Eastern European History and Perspective, the historic Fear of Russia. *Equating Nato with America and thinking there was unity there on these all operations. When at best there was tolerance. *Missing Russia's internal moves to align its own politics more with China and the fear of a new Stalin. *Missing the numerous historical proxy wars across the globe with Russia in them. People seem to think it was only NATO that was active in these civil wars. *Crediting NATO with being able to control the people's minds in these countries, that they had no agency themselves in these conflicts. You get the idea, that's just off the top of my head. It such a biased take and i've seen it repeated so often that I am beginning to think people would just prefer the scapegoat. Sorry to come off frustrated here with you, I am not, I am frustrated with people's lack of will to look at a wider perspective.

Missing the Ukrainian perspective completely, just like the title video of this thread that focuses on great powers. Then Demonizing the man like people are doing with Putin.

@Intraplanetary I've been watching the Indian take as I quite like their news coverage as an outside source to balance out closer proximity on issues, but their major networks in english (not all) have been behind most others. Trying to play down the significance of the conflict for example and play it off as a skirmish. It seems these networks just had a reality check and are in the fear we all had a week or two ago. So right now they are overreacting, unless something else changes, we've been at this point for 2 weeks.

I wish I could find permanence in art or creation, but it is the opposite. Its temporary. For artists or creative people we have to find that elsewhere, maybe other people, a familiar place to create, a pet, or a comfortable chair *Maybe the creative process is our permanence.

And that would never be known unless the Ukrainian perspective was also given in his analysis. Do you see what I mean? Without Ukraine's perspective on how Ukraine relates to Russia, we can never see the full picture or why the decisions were made.

Further by this speakers Great Power Bias, and not acknowledging Ukraine's perspective in this he fails to see how Russia relates to Ukraine as well. I am watching Kyle's perspective now, and he brings up that Russia had a long list of grievances with Ukraine. So its not just unhelpful for understanding Ukraine, or nuance, its unhelpful for understanding NATO and Russia too. This world is built on how we relate to each other. The same goes with Georgia too. If anything what has been lacking in all of this is understanding how countries relate to one another, and how their collective identities create their emotional reaction.

@Fleetinglife I agree. Thank you, I see that as part of a pattern in people too. There is one thing you miss to make this universal. Countries need to become more self sufficient, everywhere, perhaps especially those that were acting the most imperialist of all.

@Fleetinglife Do you honestly feel that separation will cause less or more suffering. I ask because I have the teal swan video on separation in my mind, its only a small one: I understand that separation goes both ways. So please don't take this as a need to defend your perspective. I understand it. I am merely asking if you think setting up a 2nd global powerblock, or a decoupling of all major economies, is the best answer we can come up with.

Listened to the 26 minutes of his speech. I might have more thoughts if I catch the rest later and I am sorry if during questions he expands more later in the video. Its good that people are seeing the Russians concerns and by now they should be obvious. It brings us all closer together. The concerns they'd have that NATO would have in their positions. When people realise Russia is also in decline next to other eastern powers China/India, and its in part fueled by that change in its status, the geo political picture will be more complete. What stands out most is its all them/us. He assigns no value to the smaller countries and populations own will. It falls into the trap of us/them rather than the three direct perspectives involved in each case. He says himself his bias is on great power politics, that's what he's studied all his life. Second you can't kill people and then say the primary responsibility is with someone else. Response - Ability, means your ability to respond. It sets the perspective on a faulty premise. War in fact reduces your ability to respond, which Russia has done, limiting its options. I watched the initial Ukrainian demonstrations in a detailed documentary, it started with a small body of students being arrested, injured and killed. So he's wrong there. The local population reacted to it, the church did for example. Was the following action supported by the USA? Possibly, he'd need to show me the evidence. Just like people would for the coups and uprising for Russia in the east of Ukraine. There was certainly huge popular support, more than any foreign agent could foster, if you watched the popularity of it all and the defiance in the square. The pro russian government to break the standoff started killing people. They were massively out of touch when they did talk to the population. Its all on film. So they brought about their own demise by not being able to adapt or respond in a measured way. The EU designed Ukraine to be a pro western country? The EU was nowhere near that unified. This is a misunderstanding of what the EU was and still is. A pro EU country maybe, but even that was a disjointed identity and until last week I wouldn't have been able to define it. Look at the many videos on the subject of the EU's future from last few years alone. Russia will be in the arms of the chinese. China will be the larger partner and Russia the smaller one. That's just what's likely going to happen now in terms of economy, population, geography. Putin is interested in creating a greater Russia, because he's said as much, he's said Ukraine doesn't exist for example. His background in the KGB also lends itself to this worldview and identity. Part of is this is taking over the gas supply completely from Ukraine, and it wouldn't be honest to ignore that. As for Russia and Putin shooting themselves in the foot with Crimea of course he did, he pushed Ukraine into NATO's arms there. It will be the same after this war, Ukraine will be fiercely westernised. It doesn't work one way and not the other. NATO pushes Russia into China's arms in the same way. His bias also shows that he understands Russia may level cities and that Russia losing is bad for world stability. Well the exact same thing applies, in both cases if NATO or Ukraine loses. I know nobody wants to hear that much globally, but its true. Suffering happens in either case. Lets reverse this and say NATO said to Russia you cannot ally with Belarus, then invaded, the reaction would be exactly the same from Russia, only worse. This helps I hope to show both perspectives. Finally he completely misses the guarantees given to Ukraine by both the USA, UK and Russia after Ukraine removed its nukes. So some form of assistance was always going to happen, even for that alone. *I also understand NATO doctrine does not shell cities but it still creates plenty of civilian loss of life in the resulting conflicts that follow this. That's the meaning there.

Belief and identity structures outcome. You can be a very angry successful person for example, or a happy failure. Emotion comes from identity and at the same time forms or reinforces it. Words are forms, and symbols, but you give it meaning from the language structure within you. Voice has resonance. Letters and words have tones certainly to assist meaning. Shout at someone and you'll get a different reaction to talking softly but words or symbols are only given lasting meaning by belief, language structure and identity. Everything comes from you. It can be no other way. If you want to go down this rabbit hole study etymology, scared geometry and maybe books like the ophanic revelation. If you can get past the mythological aspects, you can see how letters can be designed to trigger reactions by tone and that language structures meaning, but its still you that ultimately interprets reality. Maybe one day someone will design a language that is more beneficial to humanity, rather than increment as we do with existing languages.

@itachi uchiha Thank you i've got it on now and will comment if anything comes up related. We are in part talking about what has happened over the last 20 years in media. Even sky news for example 20 years ago were reporting on warcrimes in Iraq. It was all over the media about soldiers mistreating others. Media has shifted further and further into propoganda as opposed to independent coverage. It used to be that journalists were much more effective in getting multiple perspectives and challenging any official narrative for example, it was once their purpose to challenge stories and find holes in them. The result of authoritarian regimes pushing their own agenda across the globe, has been the restructuring of the press for the worse to integrate it globally and in reaction to this. Independent media was a backlash toward that but even that has been suppressed and is slowly being eroded by advertisers and search engines. I for example got a years worth of comments deleted on youtube because a dozen were not in align with the official state narrative.

That's false. I was following it daily. Every step of the way, I was a young 20 year old and it was my political awakening to how our leaders mislead us, how they don't understand the world or the consequences of their actions, and the beginnings of my detachment from politics. Seeing Tony Blair lying in front of me, this charismatic young politician who before that had everyone fooled was the moment I woke up from politics.

Iraq was protested widely. Its was 50/50 in many western countries, lot of backlash against it. Afghanistan was a reaction to the trauma of losing so many in America. Eventually you saw more protest against it as it dragged on. Syria I had given up following news for 10 years so I can't comment. Depends which media you are following of course, like anything which perspective you decide to look at.

Really strange to see my own failings over my life so well highlighted in one side of a war. Slow to adapt, wants to control the conversation, can't deal with reality as it is but would rather invent a fantasy to deal with that instead. Big fat collective shadow everyone, with a bright beam on its head to highlight it to the world. Why Russia is struggling and why Nato couldn't see the danger in front of them. I have shifted thinking to that Putin will find it difficult to win now. He's buried himself in his own fantasy and resisted changing it. He will not commit the million men he needs to win long term and fight the war he's in. He is fighting the war he wants to be in, still even now. Russia is also steady, deliberate, overpowering but slow to adapt. Meaning the changing battlefield conditions that the Ukrainians are fighting can stall it for long periods. Russian logistics take a very long time to be built into place as they are so dependent on rails to supply their vast military, and Ukraine is focused on those logistics to slow everything to a grinding halt. I see this lack of adaptation through almost all russian speakers I meet and in myself obviously, (can't be any other way) There are so many anti tank weapons now, to win either Russa would need to get Ukraine to surrender, or Putin would need to commit so many vehicles that there will be nothing left of the Russian military by the end of this. Splitting the country in half is still probably his best outcome, but I don't think they will bring 500,000 people in to do and hold that either

This might be helpful as a very basic breakdown of survival response and how other areas of the brain are shutoff. Also how trauma is stored in the limbic system. @Fleetinglife

The more stress there is the more desire there is for safety and certainty, rather than objectivity. In psychological terms its the limbic brain overriding the cortex. The cortex mostly serves the limbic brain, which is concerned with feeling good for example, survival etc. Essentially all of these regions: https://askabiologist.asu.edu/brain-regions Satisfy the last on the list. *This is also how dangerous men stay in power. **How abusers stay hidden. ***How people are manipulated the world over.

I didn't want to mention Serbia previously but yes the balklands are such a difficult, complicated region to describe it would take a lot of time to break them down and a lot of videos to get a reasonable understanding. Serbia is somewhat friendly with Russia, so as Nato expands into the balklands that was a possible start of a wider war, I just thought we had enough worry that I didn't want to mention it.

While you, we, they, us see these as different they will continue. I am sorry for this: Because of the horrible things you have seen, what you cannot yet accept is, this bias is in human nature with the identities we have decided to tie ourselves to. You would likely be far more effective showing the weaknesses and pitfalls in these identities rather than merely the biases in them.

As for taking over, 150,000 isn't enough to take over anything. There are well calculated estimates that if even 1-2% of the population was in rebellion, Russia would need one million troops to maintain order. That's more than it can or will supply over the long term. By having a goal of removing all weapons. They make this goal even harder. Its exactly the same that America did in Iraq. Let's destroy the military! Great well you've made the entire military and everyone with a gun your enemy, nice job Russia. Nobody learns anything.

They have already overthrown Russia once and it didn't work because Russia is back. There will be constant disruption to the country even if Russia was controlling it now. Disruption will be the goal of many. People will dissappear or be shot. There will be suffering and instability for a long time. Unless Russia adapts to this new huge chunk of population that it wants to govern. I want you to picture in your country there was a government that few expected and nobody accepted, then it tries to stay in power. What is the end result? It's different to wanting something to be different, wanting implies acceptance or an expectation life will be a certain way. Its why America can function under polorization for example, because it is built into its politics. Unless Russia has that swing and adaptation to its politics, it cannot have this large addition to its population without instability. Then there is the perspective of other countries that will be invaded by other powers if Russia takes over Ukraine. Most of which are not related to Russia. That said, this could happen in other baltic countries which do have substantial Russia populations, where Putin could manufacture the same scenario he did here, only more easily. I don't take the belief that Russia wouldn't ever invade other Nato countries. What is that based on, what we'd do, Russia isn't us. If it see's a strong response it is less likely to but that's a big factor in the consideration. There is a belief Russia has shifted into a Stalin mindset. Shutting down press, eliminating all rivals, consolidating almost absolute power, willing to stand up to Nato and focus his state media on demonizing Nato further. In this scenario, war with Nato is a stronger possibility than people can yet accept.

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