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@Shanmugam All thoughts have stopped but it's not like I can't think anymore, I just have to force myself to hear mental sounds(thoughts). I can think whenever I want to think otherwise I abide in this awarness of no-mind all of the time. Sometimes thoughts appear without me consciously wanting them, but when they do I can stop them by not asigning them any meaning, not paying attention to them and then they disapear into nothingness pretty quickly. BTW. I am sure that I'm enlightened. Emotions stills arise when I am in this awarness without thoughts, sometimes they are very painful but overall I don't suffer from them because I don't identify with them and by being in this awarness they lose all the power(the power for suffering). Negative emotions are just a constructed meaning an interpretation, positive and negative are constructed meanings from the mind and I can let go of that meaning now, emotions just are, existentialy they don't have an asigned meaning to them. I can be happy NOW, I don't have to wait to be happy, I don't need a thing to be happy. I don't need people, situations, things, achievements, thoughts, emotional stimulations, interpretations, good and bad, a position, meaning, control, approval, past or future, comparing, gossip, seriousness, a purpose, communication, inspiration or insight to be happy. I can be happy even if my body feels like shit. I am detached from all of that. Emotional hights are not times when I am happiest. I am happiest when I have piece of mind. This is pure bliss to me. Don't ask yourself if the cup is half full or half empty, just realize there is no cup. The mind state is a fantasy. You maintain it with illusions. Illusion of meaning (existentially there is no meaning), identification (existentialy you can't identify yourself as a thing), control (there is no free wil), with comparing yourself with others (that makes sense only to egos), with attachment, judgement, gossip, seriousness, proudness, with a sense of you (the big You - consciousness can not be perceived with senses).

Great post! I am enlightened, being at stage 10 most of the time. I really don't see a difference between sitting meditation and the rest of the waking hours, it's the same, so I see every second as a meditation practice. I don't know how much practice I have put in hours but I have started meditating almost 4 years ago. I had meditated between 20 - 60 minutes a day. That was the starting point, but the biggest gains were not gained trough that sitting period but by practicing being in awarness all of the time. Once you master being in this awarness it becomes automatic and you have to force yourself to think (to hear mental noise) if you want to. You think when you want to think otherwise you're just abiding in this eternal presence. If you want to be at stage 8 - 10, the best advice I could tell you is to be aware of your breath every second, don't even make a distinction between sitting meditation and the rest. Meditate for 40 minutes in the morning and after you finish the sitting, maintain the meditative state trough the day as long as possible by not even making a distinction between that sitting meditation and the rest of the day.

Why Would I Even Want To Exist??? because: it creates the illusion of free Will and gives you a sense of control (in reality there is no free Will) it keeps you from purging all the shit from your mind which is not pleasent (which is inevitable when you become conscious) it is comfortable with maintaining status quo and that keeps you from expanding your consciousness, that which you are in reality it gives you the illusion of comparing yourself to others (that makes sense only for the ego) it creates the illusion of gossip being worthwile (gossip makes sense only to the ego) because it creates the illusion of linearity (reality is not linear) it creates the illusion of past and future (there is only the eternal now) it keeps the drama alive, you are hardwired negatively and when you exist you get comfortable with that drama and seek it, because you identify with it (non-identification is not comfortable, but when you expand your consciousness you can get comfortable with the uncomfortable) to experience separation (in reality you are never separate from source consciousness, that which you existentialy really are - everything) it creates the illusion of striving for achievement (there is nothing to be achieved at all at the existential level) it amplifies perceived threats trough identification(there are no threats because you don't exist.) it keeps you serious (instead of playful) it creates the illusion of good and bad (there is no such thing as good and bad) it gives you meaning for existence (meaning is an illusion except expansion and contraction in my opinion- that you can directly experience in reality but that is more of an existential meaning than an ego based meaning) it gives you a sense of purpose (there is really no purpose at all, you are already everything) it makes communication worthwile (communication is based on symbols which are interpreted as if they mean something but in reality they don't mean anything at all) it creates meaning (meaning creation is an illusion) you can be proud of everything "you" did (accept the fact you didn't do any of that) it creates the illusion of momentum being done by ego (in reality it is not you who has done all of that but consciousness) it gives thoughts meaning (but in reality they are meaningless) it keeps you stuck in a comfortable position (when you're expanding consciousness you are never stuck) it gives you the illusion of an outside reality (there is really no outside reality, everything is happening inside You - consciousness) it creates the illusion of you creating outside reality (when really it's consciousness that is creating you) it gives you the illusion of inspiration, talent, courageousness, intelligence... in short, it gives you a sense of you (the big You - consciousness can not be perceived with senses) it gives you the ability to defend a position (when your expanding consicousness you stop caring about defending positions) Reality is an illusion, but that illusion exists, so all you can do is to deal with it and the only way to do that is to expand consciousness, when you are higly conscious you are more discerning and that enables you to discern illusion from consciousness and as a consequence all suffering ends. "I am so fucking enlightened right now, yeaa"

Open-Mindedness High scorers tend to be original, creative, curious, complex; Low scorers tend to be conventional, down to earth, narrow interests, uncreative. You typically don't seek out new experiences. (Your percentile: 58) Conscientiousness High scorers tend to be reliable, well-organized, self-disciplined, careful; Low scorers tend to be disorganized, undependable, negligent. You probably have a messy desk! (Your percentile: 3) Extraversion High scorers tend to be sociable, friendly, fun loving, talkative; Low scorers tend to be introverted, reserved, inhibited, quiet. You are neither particularly social or reserved. (Your percentile: 44) Agreeableness High scorers tend to be good natured, sympathetic, forgiving, courteous; Low scorers tend to be critical, rude, harsh, callous. You are neither extremely forgiving nor irritable. (Your percentile: 55) Negative Emotionality High scorers tend to be nervous, high-strung, insecure, worrying; Low scorers tend to be calm, relaxed, secure, hardy. You aren't particularly nervous, nor calm. (Your percentile: 55)

A few core questions I would like help on. What are the biggest traps, especially in youth in persuing this path? Watch the video of Leo: Advice to hight school and college students (or something like that). How do I know if I am doing something wrong? If you find yourself on the same path or side as the crowd (the 99% of population), than it's time to switch directions. Health is also an indicator, if your health suffers, something is not working properly. Should I "team" up with other people with a similar life purpose or is this a trap? What kind of people should I look out for, and what kind of people should I avoid? If you want to have a huge impact on the world I would recommend you isolate yourself from society not matter how you percieve it to be. Extremely successful people live in their own reality. Than after a few years of being by yourself (no socializing), you Will become comfortable with your own company and if you get sucked into some cult or toxic relationships/friendships than you can switch on a dime to being alone because you Will not fear being alone. After that period you will develop confidence, than you can start socializing with hight level people (hang out where they hang out) and find common ground. If somebody EVER lies to you, disrespects you, puts you down than just walk away and never return. Look for people who are doing what the mojority of society at that age is doing, if they are walk away. What actions will cause the most likely hood of failure? This is a very broad question because it's all inter connected. If you fail at maintaining perfect mental clarity and health than all other areas Will suffer, so focus on perfecting your nutrition and exercising first. If something is not working it Will affect your routine and you Will know that because you Will fall out of integrity. So focus on maintaing a rithym and the best rythm I can think of is nutrition and exercise (or some habits like a morning routine, waking up at the same time every day...) if somehow you fall out of integrity with that, you need to document that in your journal. What part of "Me" is the most important to master for the purpose of being a revolutionry or revolutionary leader. (Leo said to me in a thread before in response to my question regarding how I am supposed to know if my life purpose is authentic or not. I saw I could almost cry thinking about it, it would take a bit of effot. He said to me that my life purpose probably wasnt powerful enough. I was taken aback by this and I thought to myself this possibly could not be the case. I REALLY want to cry thinking about it. He said it is that or I need to learn to shed tears of joy/master my emotions which is something I would have to Self-Actualize on. Master your emotions. Become emotionaly stable. Develop your emotional intelligence. Do I need a college degree to be a respected revolutionary leader. (I was having a discussion with a friend yesterday and he told me that if you do not have a college degree, why would people listent to you. He said I would get slagged off and ridiculed for not having a 3rd level education.) You don't need it, find examples of people who have succeded and have been college drop outs. However I would not drop out if your in school, just do the bare minimum to have a decent lifestyle (people who are rich are not employed, they own a business). You need to calculate everything. Hoiw mutch you Will need for food, shelter... and how mutch money Will be enough so you can invest it (as part of your salary). Work for 2 years at a job, get enought capital and start a business. Learn to scale it. What is the best way to live the next 5 years of my life? ( I have two more years of compulsory schooling) Isolate yourself as much as possible. Study personal development as much as possible (forget about business). You need to first master yourself and than you can master others, you can't master others by not being a master of yourself.

What secondary system? Focus on me as a system? Yes that's exactly what I'm doing. Mind = ego = system. Eating is a system. Exercising is a system. Thinking is a system. I want to find answers to all those questions that Leo provided by studying the systems I have listed in the first post.

Expanding our perspective about various systems is important so I thought it would be great if we have a big list of systems to understand so we can evolve faster. ...Than from that list if you have an insight from the questions below, share, post it as a comment below. So we can gain wisdom, balance, discernment, a more meta perspective to see the interconnectedness of things , be more reflective (conscious), humble and evolve. This stuff can get very deep, we can think of systems that created other systems. So... 1.What is the system that created____________? (insert the system that you would like to better understand (-a pragmatic one-)) 2. What is the system that fixed that problem? (answer with what you think would solve the problem (challenge) that you have or somebody else had mentioned in the list) 3. What's the purpose of this system ("A system also has purpose, it servers a function and is very important to understand what the function is, the function is even more important aspect of the system beyond the elements and the relationships, so as important as the relationships are in the system the purpose of the system is even more important, because that determines the general behavior of what the system is doing and the most important function of systems is to protect themselves, to maintain homestasis and to expand themselves and to grow...see systems as living organisms" ~Leo) 4. How does the system maintain itself? 5. How does this system affect other systems? I Will start with what I can think of right now but Will add more to it in the future. What is the system that created____________? The ego Subtle addictions: gossip... mediocrity/ the top 1% in terms of wealth achivemenet/under achievement poor relationships (friends, relatives, family ) /great relationships a healthy individual /an unhealthy individual an evolving human being /an devolving human being success oriented mindset / failure a hippy a narcisist naive realism the illusion of freewill the illusion of time the ego illusion the tempation to exist (:D) instant gratification rather than long term vision a healthy human cell / an unhealthy human cell a ripped body a detoxified/ calcified pineal gland a meditation habit an early riser abundant energy / lack of energy focus / lack of focus other systems a fullfiled human being / unfullfiled human being a creative an icon an example (for yourself, for others) a new perspective / the same perspective a good memory / lack of memory a productive person / unproductive one the result that I would like to accomplish revolutionary new inventions belief in yourself /dis belief in yourself fear anger good habits /bad habits emotional maturity / emotional immaturity evolution of consciousness master /dabbler a strong immune system a great feedback loop consistency /inconsistency ignorance procrastination avoidance overwhelm transformation Below are some examples of systems Leo has mentioned in his intro to systems thinking. Poverty Shrinking Middle Class Global Warming and the Environment Drug Addiction War Obesity Crime Low-Quality Marketing Education Unemployment Terrorism Corruption Depression Endangered Species Runaway Materialism Video summary: Video: Feedback in this topic would be very beneficial. If somebody doesn't understand a system that created the problem and you have gained the insight of what solves the problem than please post it).

A mental fear becomes a physical one in my opinion. You first identify with thoughts or emotions or belieff, sound, touch, smell or other sensory data and than that identification which is mental becomes physical. Thoughts become things. This is how our brain formed itself. Reverse engineer it. Truth is the ultimate system I can agree with that but only partialy. Being conscious of consciousness and accepting Truth in the now makes everything effortless without a mental resistance. But this is not the end of the equation in my opinion. You need that effortlessness but you also need to conciously design mental, emotional, physical systems so you can PENETRATE with that effortlessness into that.

The mind and ego is a mental system, yes fear is also a mental system but it's not only that it's biological. Why not create a mental system for understanding fear now? I think having a mental system for dealing with fear is important. That would be cool. 2. What is the system that fixed that problem? Understanding fear Definition of fear from the distionary: noun: fear; plural noun: fears 1. an unpleasant emotion caused by the threat of danger, pain, or harm. 2. be afraid of (someone or something) as likely to be dangerous, painful, or harmful. Amygdala determines emotional significance of sensory input. Self-awarness is key to dealing with fear. I have found a great article that explains fear. http://www.effective-mind-control.com/what-causes-fear.html 3. What's the purpose of this system This system became biological thousands of years ago and now it's no longer serving us as it was back then, it's limiting us most of the time. It served a purpose to keep us alive, it's one of the earliest survival mechanisms. 4. How does the system maintain itself? Identification with emotions. Letting emotions stop you. 5. How does this system affect other systems? If you are identified with emotions than you Will always stay in the comfort zone, and that is not the safe zone anymore, it baceme a danger zone that leads to mediocrity.

Ego is a system. We are talking about systems here not about Truth. Fear is biological (a biological system ). It stems from the brain. And we are not the brain, so it's False Evidence Appearing Real. But I'm not that interested in biological systems or the Truth in this thread more in mental systems.

lol yea but what your talking about is not practical. We still need a strong ego to self-actualize otherwise your just a witness. Polarity is an illusion but hey that illusion still exists and you need to learn to integrate both truth (oneness) and polarity (separation/ego) not just oneness. We need to balance being and doing not just being. I can agree that what you told is still beneficial for a higher understanding so thank you. You can be enlightened and still have a strong ego, you just see trought it and not get attached to it.

This is just too simplistic. Explain if you really understand the system that created fear. It's not enough to know, we need to understand

Which habits impacted your life the most? Are you still building new habits? If yes, which habits are you currently working on? Which habits do you plan to implement in the future? How important are habits on the self-actualization journey and why? What habits are the most important to master in your opinion?

Meditate 1 hour per day (more than enough...) AND BE AWARE EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY (maintain that meditative state trough the day). It's fucking easy to be aware while your sitting and doing nothing, try to be aware every second trough the day, that will make all the difference. Empty your mind and BE aware, don't try to be aware of something, just be aware. This is so fucking simple, it can't be more simple than that. The trap begins when you think that you think, because YOU can never think that you think. Every thought that you identify with will make it more complex. People are exchanging reality for a combination of symbols wich meaning is illusory. Just be and everything will fall into place.

For me It's impossible to go back to old patterns of thinking. I have to force myself to think but to answer your question, yes it's possible for me to transition out of this state to mentally organize myself. No-mind is my natural state, I can hold it for ever, regardless if i meditate that day or not but it takes time to get to this stage. I have practiced meditation every day at the beginning, but this is just a small portion to be on the no-mind stage . You need to have an intention to raise your awareness level, to be aware every second of every day, uninterruptedly, this is where the magic begins. The meditation habit will however jump start this process. I can do what ever I want without much emotional resistance or emotional changes.

Anybody?