Consept

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    Something I'm battling with at the moment and because I work for myself and I'm not really motivated by money or material stuff, I'm finding it hard to really push myself and get out of these procrastination habits. 

    I literally thought to myself a few mins ago I should right down some targets to have something to aim at as that's helped me in the past. Also I used to write what I'd want to get done the night before each day for that day, that also helped. But I'll check out the video and I'm interested if anyone's got any other tips 

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    To be honest I've never really taken to him. His message is good and he's positive, good energy and all that but the delivery isn't really for me, it doesn't really seem authentic, but that's just me I know a lot of people like him. 

    He also doesn't really seem to delve into topics like I'm used to with people like tolle, sadhguru and Mooji, it always seems like he says a lot of words but doesn't really get to the point. Just my opinion though that's why it's good to have a variety of teachers out there.

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    @JevinR

    They're not necessarily good or bad, in the same way a cloud passing by isn't good or bad, it's just the labels that you give them. It's up to you whether you give them power and strength over you. You don't need to prove them wrong because that itself gives them power over you, that means you're doing an action just because that negative thought is there and not necessarily because you want to do it. Take away it's power by fully facing and accepting it. 

    It's like if you're a kid at school and bullsy are teasing you, they will continue as long as they see fear in you and see that it's affecting you, if you're not bothered at all by it and just let what they're doing be eventually they'll stop. So your fighting or running away from your thoughts only prolongs them, better to see then as not a threat at all and just noise that's there and will pass if you let it 

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    @JevinR

    Only if you give your mind that power over you. By disliking your thoughts negative or otherwise, you're creating an inner conflict because you don't want them there, the problem isn't really the content of the thoughts it's the fact that you have this inner conflict because you believe these thoughts are you. 

    For example I could get really stressed because a song I don't like keeps playing in my head, if I didn't get stressed it would eventually just fade away. Your l ego is very tricky so it creates thoughts it knows you will think you need to get rid of so it can create conflict and thus exist. Only way around it is full acceptance 

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    @Philip

    Lol yeah I know what you mean I've had similar thoughts, it's a balancing acceptance and being. The whole search for enlightenment is a paradox in itself like you alluded to, if you don't have a desire to be mindful what will motivate you to be mindful? But then this could be said for anything, making money, having a relationship etc all are motivated by desire and this is why most people on this spiritual path will say they're are fruitless. But what makes these desires different from a desire for enlightenment, in both cases the person striving believes these things will give them peace and in both cases the very thing stopping them from achieving peace is only the belief that they need these things. 

    So the issue that is blocking your path is desire itself, you can fill in the blank with whatever you want, until desire is transcended enlightenment would be impossible. Also have a think about why you even want to be enlightened, or put another way, why do you not want to be where you are right now? Is it because you want to be more confident, happy more often, more fruitful, doing a job you like, not caring what people think, all these are posdibly the roots of your desires for enlightenment. Enlightenment is just an idea at least at the moment to probably all of us on this forum, so really there are other motivating factors behind that we think enlightenment will solve for us. Essentially these are the desires we really need to drop. 

    Just to add as well if you ask any enlightened person they will tell you they became enlightened as soon as they stopped trying 

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    Have been thinking a lot about desire recently and how it can be a barrier to enlightenment. Most of the time we talk about material desires, money, cars or even relationships, wanting to be liked etc. But another desire is the desire to be enlightened or even the desire to be content. If you've got a desire to be content then that literally will cause discontent and until that desire is dropped you will never content and then obviously never enlightened. 

    A lot of the posts a see on the forum are about how to get enlightened, how long it takes etc, all of which scream of a desire to be enlightened. As long as this desire to be enlightened is there then the path will always be blocked. It's literally no different than saying once I get £1 million I'll be content, either way you don't know if it will or want so all you're left with is the belief that it will and therefore the desire and want to achieve that goal. The very nature of having these goals will cause discontent and living for the future rather than the now. 

    Stop even trying and just be present as much as you can in every day life. Don't meditate with the goal of marking off another day you've done on the way to enlightenment, it negates the whole point of meditation. Don't do anything with the intention of becoming enlightened, just do it because you enjoy it and even if you don't be present during it. This enlightenment thing is like chasing your tail, the more you want it the harder it will seem to get it 

     

     

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    I started reading or rather listening to the audio book a few years ago, before I got into spirtuality. At the time I was very put off by it, it seemed really harsh and my thinking was if I needed to do all this stuff to get what I wanted it just wasn't worth it. 

    Now looking at it, it makes sense in that if you think transcending the ego isn't an option or possible, then this works in strengthening your ego. The idea that everyone's playing a game and you just need to play it better. 

    In a way until you let go of yourself you are just playing a game. But I would say definitely take the book with a pinch of salt, it can be useful in that you can see the inner workings of how ego works and maybe even see stuff that you don't realise you do. How to win friends is kind of similar but I think that's more based on giving rather than power which is based on taking, for both there is manipulation involved, but I wouldn't say they're the same tactics 

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    It seems that this thing of wanting to teach and tell people about your particular viewpoint isn't really unique to spirituality. Every religion does it, even people with certain lifestyles or political alegience or whatever opinion are always trying to convert you to their way of thinking, almost like it's not enough for them to just believe it and be done with it. 

    You've got to think someone who is a completely fundamentalist Christian for example, believes in god creating the world in 7 days as much as you believe your thoughts aren't you. So the intention is the same, both believe by spreading this knowledge they may help someone. 

    But I also think there's something else to it, like the ego is trying to convince itself of this belief, it feels strangely good when your idea is validated by someone else, by teaching others esp when not being enlightened yourself, is it just a way to seek validation for your ego? 

    On the other hand, we are always drawn to teach and pass on our knowledge and experiences, essentially this is how evolution of ideas happens. But what I noticed is that when I first started getting in to this stuff I couldn't wait to tell and teach as many people as I could, as my 'journey' has gone on I found its not really important convincing anyone (esp when they don't want to be), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get your knowledge out there, it's just once it's out let it go, don't look for validation from it. 

    Also if you did want to convince someone the best way is for you to be that example. Think about it how many opinions of people trying to convince of one thing or another do you hear everyday? If I have no experience of thing someone's talking about then I usually shut off to it. Same with when they hear about this stuff. You go out and live the best, most aware and conscious life you can, when you do that people will ask you what your secret is and then you tell them, to you it doesn't matter if they ask or not 

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    That's why you should just take enlightenment as a goal off the table and just be as present and as conscious as you can. If you think you're enlightened or nearly enlightened you're probably not. So just make try and be who you are moment to moment, most 'masters' say once you stop looking you become enlightened. 

    One criticism I have of Leo, although he does kind of address it, is he presents enlightenment luke it's some goal like completing a college course and once there you're sorted, but I don't believe it works like that. Technically everyone is already an enlightened being it's just we've been convinced were not so we just have to realise what we really are again

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    This is an issue I have at the moment as well. Essentially you're single you want to have sex regularly but if you do it without getting in a relationship you feel like a dick because whoever you do it with you know you don't want a relationship with them. So in that way it's not really fulfilling, so do you wait until a good relationship comes along, could take a while, do you just have a few girls you kind of like that you can call upon when needed? I find it quite difficult I e hone down the route of getting with girls I knew I didn't want a relationship with and it leaves a bad taste, also they get hurt or pissed off with you, I don't want to leave that kind of negativity. So I don't know the best thing to do, anyone got any ideas? 

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     I agree, I don't really like the way it's used because it puts an end goal in your mind and really true enlightenment is all about the present. Once you say I want enlightenment you're putting in a desire to be enlightened, so you can't be desire less which is one of the attributes of being enlightened.                                                                                   As humans we tend to think in a linear way as in, once this happens then this will happen then I'll be at the end. The point of this spiritual stuff is that there is no end or beginning there only is what there is which is now. All else is a concept therefore enlightenment in the future is just an idea, to really get to it you'd have to give up on it and just experience what is 

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    @Newpaz

    Very valid and interesting question (I don't really have an answer but just adding some thoughts).

    This may seem out there but there does seem to be a force, or it may even be our own egos, that supress these teachings that you mentioned. If you think about it most enlightened people that have talked about it publicly and have gained big followings have usually been killed. In fact even just having liberal views and power is enough to get you killed. So I wouldn't say it's far fetched to say that the past and present systems (the powers that be) don't really want us to know about this stuff. Which from their point of view makes sense as their aims are profit and power which would be at risk if everyone trusted themselves and just did what they want. It would make sense to just brainwash people so they become 'productive members of society'. 

    Now when you think about it this has gone on for 100s of years, previously religion was used to control and still is to a lesser extent, now it's more money and society defined success. In both cases fear of lack plays a big part. 

    So the point is we are all brought up in a way where 'enlightenment' or the path of true religion are very alien concepts and in fact get in the way of what we've been led to believe will bring us joy (money etc). So to say to someone after they've been brought up in this mindset that it's all meaningless, is to say everything you've been taught and even you yourself are a lie. It's very hard for the ego to take that on board. 

    So ultimately I think enlightenment  (I don't really like using the word) is the only way, it's just a matter of how long it takes for life's distractions to no longer have an effect or for your suffering to get really bad in which case you'll be forced to the spiritual side of things 

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    7 hours ago, charlie2dogs said:

    Concept , i guess you have noticed the crowds of people who set at the feet of those two you named.  Those people are not there to debate their beliefs, they are there seeking what experience Mooji and Sadhguru has to offer them,  in a public forum it is never that way, and those two men would never attempt to do what they do in a public forum.  Im sure that you have seen many that talked to Mooji, and most just never get it, you can see that for yourself in the satangs, and the number that get it in a public forum will be even less. 

    @charlie2dogs

    Right I agree but if that's the case then the people in the public forum are just not 'ready' to get it so in that case all you can do is put the knowledge out there and when they are ready hopefully they'll come to it. 

    When I first started getting in to eckhart tolle it really blew me away, he was one of the the first spiritual speakers I got into, so much so that I bought about 5 copies of the book and gave it to people I thought would be interested in it. Out of the 5 I know only 1 of them has read it, but for the others I know the knowledge is there for them when they need it and hopefully at some point they will pick it up and at that point they're mind will be open to understanding it. 

    The other thing is you have to be the example to them to the point where people ask you, 'why do you seem so content or happy or comfortable with yourself', then you are ready to teach 

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    A lot of the gurus I listen to Mooji, sadhguru etc I always get the feeling that they want to just unleash the full force of their wisdom but they always hold back so the person understands. It's quite funny cos I imagine they're thinking 'just get it!!'. The thing is the ultimate thing to understand is just acceptance and so the actual words are very simple but it feels like it almost needs to get complicated for people to understand it, because they can't accept that it would be that easy. 

    So regardless of the words used it has to make sense to who you're saying it to otherwise what's the point, that doesn't mean that the person shouldn't do a bit of work to get to understand it. 

     

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    I think the paradox is really what you've been taught to believe will make you happy (money, family, material stuff) conflicting with what deep down you know will make you happy.

    In society were taught from a young age that material stuff or a family, job whatever, should be our main goal. Luckily for the government this ties up with what they want, people spending money and not making much fuss. I do see it as brainwashing and if you look at the films you watch, what your taught in school, what your parents tell you, everything is geared toward making you think that this is the right path, which is weird because why do they care so much about getting you on that path? 

    So without a choice these ideas get imprinted on you, even if you think different you may think you're strange for doing so and want to be like everyone else. But when you finally realise 'wait I don't really need any of these things', then your eyes are starting to open. The only trouble is you've essentially been brainwashed so your paradox is really the conflict between that and getting to your real core, it's really hard to do, but once you've seen over the fence you can't go back 

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    I think a couple things may help you, one is that you can't really focus on the result, it's an ongoing process that never ends really, try and focus on just being present and conscious moment to moment, as soon as you focus on the result you're only using the present moment as a means to an end and therefore missing out on life. If you think about its no different to saying I'll be ok once I'm rich, it's just a different obstacle you've put in your way 'I'll be ok once I'm enlightened', it's the same thing, what you should try and do (try a weirs word) is remove obstacles or see that it's you putting them up. 

    Second is that you can't get rid of the ego it's there, you're constantly going to get thoughts in your head that you didn't put there, when you try and fight them you're resisting the present moment, which again takes you away from being. These thoughts are a happening and there's nothing you can actually do about them, what is important is your reaction to them. You can either fully accept that they're or you can get worked up and fight them because you think you can some how get rid of them. It's more about transcending the ego which is realising you aren't it but be aware that at least at first, it will still make the same noise it always has 

  24. Posted

    @abrakamowse

    I get where you're coming from, but again you really have to look for where the fear is. You're actually lucky in that you know what you want to do or what field will make you happy, so thats definitely a positive, but then you feel like theres something holding you back. You would say its money consciously but look into yourself and see if theres a fear of actually going full on into what you want to do. 

    I would say whats stopping you is you're energy and intention being pulled in different ways, so instead of putting 100% into the art you're thinking 'I can't advance in my dream job because of my regular job' and then you're also worrying about changing your mindset. The only way to really make headway (and its not an easy path) is to go full force into what you want to do. That might mean putting aside a few hours a day to work on it, or even working less hours at your job, but in reality its the only way things will change for you. If you think of yourself as a computer you're currently using a lot of ram on tasks that you don't need to when you should be using as much as possible on what you were built for, if you don't then whats the point?