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I take your point, I always find that with new information and ideologies, you can always react in 2 ways either you use it to rationalise who you think you are, so in your example all women are whores, thats why I can't get them. Or you can use it to challenge what you may have previously thought and use it to see from a different perspective. Which one you do depends on where you're at as a person, if you're in a scarcity mindset it will rationalise that, if you're in a abundance you'll take what you need. But the information should be out there, it's just wading through all the bullshit to get to the real perspective

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Don't think he was necessarily trying to convince, he just approached them trying to understand. I think just talking to each other and putting ideologies aside can help.

Not saying he's enlightened but he is approaching them with presence and trying to understanding, so it can help

Ok so incels, I'm not gonna talk about, not to insult them but they seem a bit delusional and honestly it's quite sad that they think they have no determination in their life. I'm sure I don't need to advise anyone on here but do not buy into what incels say at all. Mgtow on the other hand, I haven't delved incredibly deep, just listened to Ronin man and a couple others. But in general I can relate to some of there points, marriage for example (which obviously they're against), I wouldn't say you shouldn't get married but I think it's fair to question it. We grow up in a culture where it's drummed in us to get married, sometimes mentioned in the media on a daily basis. I think this definitely should be looked at from each personal perspective, why is it the default? If it wasn't the norm and there was a fringe group getting married that would seem weird. But in general I think every ideology has some valid points (not sure about incels), it's just that people use them from a place a fear and then whatever they're agenda is or whatever internal problems they're trying to solve, they use it for that. It would be so nice if people weren't attached to ideologies and we could just talk about these ideas for what they are

From your post I'm guessing you do Amazon and probably private label as you're reliant on product reviews. I know this as I've been selling on eBay and Amazon for about 7 years. What you have is an addiction to checking which you need to work on, actually this is a great situation as it gives you a chance to work on it. It mailny comes about because you're in fear of your business feeling so it gives you some certainty and a high if you get a sale. The problem with it is you become neurotic and your emotional state is completely reliant on your sales. To wean yourself off you need to trust your process and maybe only check once every 2 hours and then once every 4 hours and so on. I find this hard as well still but my emotions are not regulated by it because over the year they'll but good and bad days but you have to look at the business from say a month, 6 month or year timeframes or even longer to get a real picture. Looking at it daily does not help you and could even lead to bad decisions

I guess technically normal is the average or close to the average of everyone. So in western society you might say it's normal for someone to get married because our perception is most people do, but the tricky thing is how much is it people just influenced by previous 'normal' people and how many are doing it because they truly want to?

I think what this thread is (or has become), is that people are being triggered by what Leo said in the video because they feel they are in the position he said you should get out of. It shouldn't really matter what Leo does for work or whatever, the message is still the same and I don't think it's wrong, it's also very helpful to look at things from this perspective. If you are happy working at McDonald's then theres nothing wrong with that but that doesn't make the message any less true. If you're not happy working at McDonald's but feel stuck and so therefore justify it by saying 'Leo kind of works for Google', I don't see how this helps you. You may think he's arrogant but be careful of ad hominem attacks and look at the content rather then the messenger

Hold on, theres a lot of conclusions being jumped to here. As far as i can see theres very little evidence of Mooji doing anything like abusing people or even having asked for consensual sex from followers, the only thing we have in this thread from op is an opinion on a video, which i see in a completely different way and some stories from unknown sources about 'hearing' something. Even looking online at an 'is Mooji a cult' thread on a different forum, i cant see much direct evidence. Of course 'if' he did coerce or use his power to have sex then yes of course its wrong, he holds a lot of influence and people have a real love for him, so for him to take advantage of that would be wrong. But where is the evidence? So this leads me to question why is there so much fear and so much willingness to brand him in this way? Im not saying this to defend him but im just wondering whats in us as humans that we look to bring people down in such a way. Is it that we just cant believe someone like him can exist ie someone in turquoise consciousness? He may have done this stuff but on the flip side he might not have and just due to the lack of evidence id lean towards he didnt at the moment anyway. So its entirely feasible that he didnt so for sake of argument lets say he definitely didnt, it then becomes an issue with us that we're so quick to state these things or jump to these conclusions. I think theres a fear of cults or losing our mind and being taken advantage of, this seems to come from ego, im sure the more you raise your consciousness the more easy it is to spot fakes, if you learn about sales for example youre less likely to be conned by a salesperson because youre conscious of their tricks. But also i think we need to stop looking at gurus as the be all and all, most of them will tell you that the real guru is inside you, we are still looking for it in someone else. I think really its just a fear of letting go completely to ourselves, we're scared to let go fully in relationships and we're scared to let go when listening to someone like Mooji, i think this fear comes from the fact we still believe that we are our ego and we think we might take advantage if we had such power. It seems to be a projection on our part, we think we're taking down these beings but really we are taking ourselves down as they are us and we are them, they are just trying to show a different side to us that we havent explored enough

Because this kind of stuff is way off the mainstream thought patterns it can look weird and crazy, i saw a Mooji video where a woman was acting in a similar way to what you mentioned, not sure if its the same, but she cried when asking the question, Mooji talked to her to make her realise what she really is, mainly he said 'who is the one asking this question?', after a while she then started laughing as you say. To me it seemed like someone being in fear and then realising the reality and the unimportance of what shes worrying about, so it seemed from my perspective that she had glimpsed what her true nature is and having experienced something like this in the past i could understand why she laughed like that. I understand why you are concerned about such behaviour, but you have to understand if youre doing this half way right, youre (the woman in the video is) opening yourself up completely in these situations. Because of this it cant look normal, as in how we act when playing our daily roles, this woman was trying to be as real and honest as possible and as she was in pain and probably a bit nervous talking to in front of many people talking to Mooji, so its likely to come out incoherent. Its almost more crazy to be perfectly coherent in this situation, id probably be more freaked out about that. As for the sexual rumors and cult stuff, its quite a big claim so for me to take it seriously there would have to be some direct experience otherwise its just heresay, and again with the nature of spirituality it can very easily be misunderstood. In fact im sure those threatened by it would want it to be misunderstood. Having said that, the rumours could be true, but for me to take notice there would need to be more than what youve presented

Yeah it's an interesting one, I definitely get the vibe op is talking about. I don't think it's an issue unless Leo's vids are all you're watching, which he himself wouldn't recommend. When I watch Mooji, Sadhguru and others there does seem to be a warmth about them, but Leo's style is different, but they may resonate more with certain people and may put off certain people, but there are tons of teachers out there and I think the best thing is to absorb as much info as you can. For me Leo is great at getting the information across but his presence is not yet at the stage of Mooji yet, but that's ok, Mooji may not have as much practical info as Leo. So the main thing is take what you need from every teacher in your life but dont expect one to give you all the info

Well becoming aware of that is the first step to getting past it, do it's definitely progress. Also it's easy to get into negative patterns without even realising so dont be to hard on yourself, I think you're on the right path so just keep building on your awareness

Good luck, hope you get what you want, give us an update in a year

@Cortex Ok cos honestly I don't get anything of Eckhart Tolle or even Leo from you, it's specifically because you sound nothing like them that I even asked the question. Having said that if you believe that you are like them and at their core they are teachers, is that what you want to do here, are you teaching? I appreciate your honesty

@Cortex so what is it you want from the forum? Do you want your 'supply' from people here, like everyone to recognise how great you are? Or are you posting how you are because you think people won't get it and you can reassert that you are how you are and no one can change it? Genuine question

But within your experience how can you see that? If you dont perceive the world then for you it doesnt exist, for example, if there was literally no one to perceive the world, how can it exist? Everything is transactional, so there has to be something that can perceive it for it to exist, so if something literally cant be perceived by anyone or anything does it exist?

Yeah that is a fair point as well, if you did date a lot of girls, you'd realise it's not gonna sort out all of your problems. The fact is you need to really internalise and even experience that this isn't the most important thing, so maybe you can see that from consciousness work but whether that would fully lead you to 'know' what I'm saying I'm not sure. If you think about it the guys that are the best with girls, will more often than not just have a lot of experience with girls which makes them have an abundant mindset but also at the top level realise that this will not make them complete. It could be that you're trying to run before you can walk by trying to transcend something that you have little experience of

I think it's to do with the breathing, people generally don't focus on breath but with shisha, esp if youre new to it, you'll prob focus on your breath which brings about a meditative experience. Some say this is why smokers say it's relaxing to smoke, which technically doesn't make sense as it's a stimulant but even in that case the breathing can be relaxing

Ok so what I'd suggest is to sit with that feeling of 'need' and don't react to it just experience. So what will happen is your mind will start saying, 'this isn't helping', 'you need a girl' etc. But look deeper than this, don't react to it, look at the reasons why you want a girl, is it sexual gratification, is it validation, your mind has placed these as important because you convinced yourself that this will give you peace of mind. Essentially we are all looking for peace of mind but we convince ourselves that we need xyz before we let ourselves have it. Understand that you have set this up, you've disturbed your mind until it gives you what you think you want. On a practical level of you think that it's the most important thing to get a girl, the girl will be able to sense that and it won't work. So if you can get to the bottom of this and realise that you don't need the validation or whatever else, then you can achieve a certain freedom of attachment to outcome, which in itself can be attractive

I agree with @Prabhaker I think America can be a trap, something that looks great from the outside but once you're there and caught up in the rat race it can be horrible. I understand the allure if you're coming from a poorer country, but most people on their actualisation journey from America usually want to move away. Also now we live in a globalised world so you can make first world money even in third world countries if you work remotely. Having said that if you're at a quite solid orange stage then it makes sense to move to America as that is a very orange place, but if you do make it there aim to move past orange

OK thanks, i mean it kind of make sense, its just interesting to think how the myers-briggs and spiral dynamics could be linked. Ive watched Leos video before and although i havent read too much about intj ive read on intp as thats what i tested as

Why do you say that? I'm logician on that test (intp) and i kind of put myself at a mixture between orange, green and yellow, but probably leaning more to yellow, but just curious your reasons and say you were a different personality type, is it harder to transition to yellow?

Dont do anything, just wait until your life gets bad enough, either depression, boredom, financial difficulties or something else, when these things happen your current life will be worse than any process of change could ever be and in that instance youll feel motivated to change. You could of course do something before it comes to this, but im guessing you wont given your current mindset in your posts. The thing is its never easy to do anything, you dont just get a sudden boost of motivation out of nowhere and then start doing it. That feeling of things not being worth it happens to everyone and the only way out of it is just to do it anyway, there are no quick fixes, im not sure what you expect someone on this thread to tell you. But anyway like i said if you dont feel like doing anything then dont just wait til it gets bad enough at some point youll have to

It's hard to say that because, what's the difference between humans behaving in a loving way to survive and reproduce and animals doing the same? Think about we both get love feelings out of nowhere, like if a lioness has a cub it feels bonded with that cub, if it could speak it would say it loved that cub. We know that it's nature doing it's thing so the cub has a good chance of survival, but then wants the difference between that and a human mother feeling love for her newborn baby? It's not a choice to love that baby, nature has played it's part. You might say that we feel it more deeply, but how do you know that? Just cos are brains are more complexed, just means maybe we can communicate how we feel or be more aware of how we feel but doesn't mean that we love and they dont. Like someone said earlier in this thread, what if love is the force around that makes everything act in a certain way human or animal? Love just exists and everything can react to it how they want

I think naturally, through the course of evolution organisms are going to get smarter and smarter, for billions of years as far as we know, there were no organisms that were aware of themselves, or at least aware of what they looked like (I know that's arguable but stay with me). So in our current time it's only humans, elephants, dolphins and some does that can identify themselves in a mirror, which is the test that they are aware of their own body. This self awareness would seem like a natural progression in consciousness, but if you become aware of your material self would it not be easy to confuse that with your higher self? With this knowledge it becomes easier to see yourself as seperate from everything else even if it's not really the case, this is also compounded by those who teach you about life confirming that you are indeed seperate. So it's necessary to go through this stage of believing you are your ego as once you pass through it and realise you're not you can then use your ego as a tool. If you think about it because of ego we have advanced so much as a species, you could argue that this has been to the detriment of the earth which is true,but then that is only because we see ourselves as seperate from the earth. If we were to raise our consciousness even further and see the ego for what it is, we would be able to advance civilization in ways that don't damage the earth and that maybe even improve it.