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Lots of eyes!@abrakamowse

@abrakamowse Good one! I'm a jelly fish. No mind, just floating in the ocean of existence.

I have that hanging on my office wall. The artist is unknown. The color rendition is a recent edition to it's original engraving. My brother was an artist and did it free hand with a Sharpie. He literally spent days in his room doing the free hand. I think he must have entered into another realm when he was working on it. Haha. Here is an interesting fact about the artist Salvador Dali. It was said "He could enter into an altered state of consciousness by the obsessive contemplation of an object until it lost all association".

http://ryuc.info/creativityphysics/implications_creatstory/individuated_point_conc.htm I was just searching and found this. Yes, non-existence is the ground state from which everything arises from. Zeroth- a position preceding all others.

Thanks for explaining that. Very interesting. Once in meditation I thought that I became non-existent. There is no memory of that event until some degree of awareness returned. I thought to myself "where did I go?" afterwards. I'm not really sure what happened there. It happened while I was in a state of pure being. Than I vanished for a moment or two. I can't really say for how long. Even a split second would have been an infinite. Could that have been Lila point? I didn't doze off, I know the difference. This is why I'm asking about this. I did do a search after that experience but I couldn't find anything on that experience on non-existence.

@werlight Yes, Thanks @Abrakamowse That was very different. So prevalent. I was becoming the oscilations.

@werlight I was listening to this for a short while, I closed my eyes and I could actually see the oscillations in frequency against my closed eyelids in a fairly bright room. Is this normal? Btw- what's normal?

I love the song @ 27:59 "Ethereal Mood". I sometimes listen to it after meditation and it sounds great!

@Neo I often wonder how many other dimensions have influence over this 3rd+T. Also, how much influence does consciousness have over the outcome of an experiment? Could conscious awareness play a role in the research happening at CERN as far as waves vs particles and their interaction with different dimensions?

I'm not familiar with Lila-point either. Wouldn't that be considered the non-existence of mind though?

Maybe you are looking at this from the wrong point of view? Enlightenment is the absence of all illusion. That being understood, enlightenment does not exist, only illusion exists. We agree that the ego/mind is a very ineffective tool to defeat itself. Leo talking about "the flashlight trying to shine it's own light on itself" would fit that scenario also. Think about this, the only way for a flashlight to shine some light on itself would be by using something other to reflect it's light back. Truthful observation of how other people view us would be a good reflection of our true self "Enlightenment is devastatingly simple....Enlightenment is what we are. There is nothing to gain, only its recognition....Awakening to enlightenment is a journey from here to here, not from here to there. There is nowhere to go and nothing to be attained. Enlightenment is simply an awakening to what has always been the case. There is only the seeing through of our own ignorance." --Gary Crowley

Disciple : Master, if "I" attain enlightenment, will I gain the ability to perform illusions? The Master laughed and laughed...........

Moojii shown me that there is no need to travel -to arrive.

@Ayla I had to show the mouse picture to my girlfriend. "That's adorable"

Dr. Leo Gura awakening Kermit to the truth of his existence..

I sometimes awaken at night and there is a conversation about enlightenment that was happening while I was asleep. I wake to just the tail end of the conversation and only get the last few words of it. I lay there and think to myself, "I wish I could of heard the whole conversation"! Also "who was I having the conversation with?" Last night I woke to a voice saying "that's because there is bliss on the inside, and junk on the outside". Weird ! But it happens often. Other times I know there was a conversation going on, but I have no idea what was said. Not consciously anyway. Does anybody else experience any thing like that? Maybe that's common?

And pure being and duality and enlightenment are all coupled to the ground state of nothingness? Is that the Oneness? The singularity?

@Guivs Were all making a mental note of it now and setting our mental alarm clocks to wake us when we reach dream state. It will most likely happen. lol, I wonder what I'll awaken into now! lol

I was in to lucid dreaming a couple of years ago. I made a mental note to become aware the next time I was dreaming, and sure enough I did. It's a balancing of not totally waking yourself by getting all excited because your aware your doing it, but still remaining in a semi- dream state. I only did it a few times. I could see that if you practiced, you could probably get really good at it. It would be a thought-form reality at your disposal. Just don't get side tracked. It's just more stuff. But fun though!

Leo's work? and yours of course.

That's interesting! The reason I asked about the void was, Once when I was meditating I experienced pure being. There was just a silent essence of myself. Just floating in infinite silence. Very peacefully. Blissfully. I had a whisper of a thought to totally let go and merge into that blissful silence. Than I disappeared into nothingness. I became non-existent. I only realized that after I returned to that state of pure being and silent bliss. After that experience happened I thought to myself, becoming the void is nothing to be afraid of because you don't exist when it happens. When I referred to other perceptions, I was eluding to perceiving higher realms. I wonder if those higher realms surround us always and we are actually occupying then now. And during sleep we sometimes directly access them. Also when we pass on we go back into the higher realm. From there we chose (as pure being) to come back again to the manifest realm (reincarnation) to work on ourselves and to help others in their journey. It's all or none, so to speak. Have we all decided to be here by choice? Do we all know in our hearts what we truly are, even though we may not be obvious from this point of view (the manifest realm). But everyone here is trying to remember what we truly are. Something bigger is driving all of us on this search. Who knows? Whatever it is it's way beyond the thinking mind.

@ZenMonkey Yes, it does sound wonderful. I wonder if we allow other perceptions to be experienced in sleep that we may refrain from normally. Just wondering- did you go into the void in your dream? Did you experience the void or did you become non-existent within it? Any memories or impressions from that?