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@bazera A man can read the dictionary and reach the highest state of awareness. Don't confuse the vehicle with the destination.

@Neo Memories and thoughts only have power if you give it to them. Face them down by applying that knowledge. Yea, that video breaks it all down nicely. It opens up a space if you truly surrender to it. I always say that if is starts to feel like your stepping outside of your comfort zone, that's the door, don't back away but dare to enter through total surrender. That is the key. I know, that's a tall order! It's not always pleasant to get to because the mind will always try to keep you to itself any way it can through memories, thoughts, fears, ect. The fight /struggle as you call it is a part of the territory. Everyone is different, of course., but when you can overcome them, you will have proven to yourself that mind is only mind and something much greater will present itself to you that is totally amazing. It's hard to put in words what that is and must be experienced directly. When the time comes and you do a total surrender of self and fear, you will totally understand the true power lies there. Something amazing happens that is beyond all words.

@How to be wise From what you describe here, you relate to yourself strictly from the perspective that you belong to time. Time owns you, so to speak. That is an illusory trap or imprisonment that the "self" imposes to keep you from experiencing true liberation. Enlightenment happens after the limitations of space/time have been transcended. It's one of the hallmarks of enlightenment. Time and space are something that happens within what is timeless and space less. Enlightenment is a 180 deg. shift in consciousness from the place you experience yourself now.

@saiko Unfortunately, that app. is still under development haha....... All joking aside, you know, that's not a bad idea. Almost like an I.Q. test, only used to gauge how awake someone is (or not). Where's Leo? That's his next big video! The S.I. Test......

I heard there is an app. now for the exact date, time and location that enlightenment will happen. Just plug in your age, sex, country of origin, and degree of self illusion and the app. does the rest for you.

@Psychonaut 217 days 4 hours

"For a little while the infinite self dreamed itself to be the finite self" Mooji How powerful is that?

@Travis Mooji answers your questions here @58:00:00 Witness="observer". What he explains is what I experience as truth also. I lack the ability to put these things into words as well as Mooji does though. I found this satsang to be most helpful. I hope you will too.

I meditate in the forest every chance I get! I'll just sit there (after eyes closed meditation on the breath) with a still mind as a silent observer and awareness will merge and become one with the field. You have an idea what I'm saying. Leo explains that experience too in one of his early videos. He was at a retreat looking at a tree in the distance when he experienced that shift in awareness. It's very cool! Everything becomes one thing happening with you in the background only as a silent witness and not as the first observer. Everything suddenly becomes more vivid and HD looking. It feels as if something other than you is doing the seeing. Like gods presence is there looking through your eyes. That's a beautiful thing!

@cirkussmile This is good!

@cirkussmile Sure it comes with practice. When you switch off the thinking mind, thoughts will come to a total standstill. Or move really super slow. You can actually watch this happening as a silent observer. Try to remain within that silent mind by enjoying the stillness and basking in it. With practice it will get easier. I think of the normal talking mind the same as traffic on a highway speeding through an intersection. When the light turns red, all the traffic stops and becomes still and motionless. Do the same with thoughts. After a while, thoughts will become impatient and will start to move. Just remind yourself it's again time to turn the light red again and bring the traffic to a standstill. Do you ever just sit with a still mind after meditation and just witness the stillness?

@Travis The no-thingness of it is it's finest quality. That is perfection beyond anything that can be perceived by the mind that exists in this world of things. Imagine this world we live in as being like a thousand honking horns. Constant honking, and noise, day in and day out all happening within mind. Than suddenly all the honking and noise stops and all that remains is absolute blissful silence. The noise all happened within silence but yet the noise is not the silence. If it contained anything than it would no longer be in a state of absolute purity. So it allows everything to happen within it without containing a single thing. Is that a paradox to the mind? You better believe it is! The question about love is something I wonder about myself. Is love no more than a product of mind? Or does love flow without any limitations between what exists and pure emptiness? Could love be the one link between the two? Is pure love and absolute emptiness really one in the same? Does pure love transcend all existence? I have a feeling it does for some reason that I can't explain.

@cirkussmile Here is something that Mooji said that will help: The presence that you feel is the presence that you are. It is not the final state. In the heart of the person, there is a presence, and in that presence is absolute awareness. Presence is not a person, it is the pure vibration. This sense of "I am" or "I exist" is the state of observing. We are not accustomed to being in the space of the infinite self. Yet you have always been the infinite self. For a time, the infinite self dreamed itself to be the finite self. The "talking in your head" would be what Mooji describes here as the "finite self". That finite self may be all you have ever known. But it's time to discover that in you which is the infinite self. You are missing that part of the puzzle and the picture is not complete for you at this time. Hence your view of this being "madness". Anyone who looks will find it, so just rest in knowing it is always there. Waiting to be found.

You realized you have no control over existence and that freaked you out. Welcome to the real world! Welcome to the wakening from the dream that is "you" . Yea, it's like that. Float with the current of existence. There are no binding agreements here anywhere to be found.

Mapping out every aspect with a bright flashlight, emm. Enlightenment would be outside of all "mental" processes as in knowing. There would be just what is and nothing more. The embodiment of pure awareness. Total transcendence of self through every aspect of life. That takes years of practice and devotion to reach that level. Try just having a transcendent experience from time to time. Just for a minute or two. It's wonderful. Experience what you really are behind the self as an identity. Behind all the "stuff" that is "you". Ahhh-sweet!

@cirkussmile Sure it's going to feel a little freaky at first. Anybody would feel that way when they first realize that what they truly are is something very different than what they had always thought themselves to be. But at the same time it feels so familiar so that eases the transition. One needs time to settle into it and integrate. The world didn't change one bit. The only thing that did change is the place from which existence is experienced. No longer through the distorted lens of self as me in my world. My mother and father bought me and this body into the world biologically. But the awareness belongs to the universe. It always has and always will.

@Leo Gura Off the subject, but I see the thumbs down has been disabled too. Great idea! It was only ever used for retaliation by a very select few anyway.

@HereNowThisMoment Experiencing what he is saying is amazing. "What is infinite experiences itself through what is finite" Mooji

@HereNowThisMoment What Mooji shares @ 56:00 may help, Very insightful.

@Nexeternity Watching the Perseid's Meteor shower. (tonight- Friday morning 8/11-8/12). There could be an outburst this year!

@Frogfucius Lot's of concepts going on in science and mind. But sometimes that could open a door for some that may not otherwise see or experience themselves moving beyond time and space as we know it. Just watch some Brian Greene, haha I just watched "The Zeroth Dimension" within a scientific framework it addresses a lot of the same areas as enlightenment work does. Still, no matter how you cut it, it's all just more concepts of mind. The rose is cool!. It is all an unfolding process. What is changeless manifesting itself as change within a field awareness. Amazing! Who knows that? What knows that? More concepts? Oh no!

@Frogfucius Nothing wrong with that if you see science only as a tool or a springboard. If it helps you to create an opening in the mind beyond all 'this" than it is good and should not be denied. We all want to experience what lies beyond this existence. And understanding what existence is with the mind through science, physics and mathematics maybe the key that opens the door to what lies beyond for some people. Here is a conceptual framework for example. Physics theory says there are 11 dimensions. This existence is said to be the 1st through 4th and directly experienced as the 3-rd+time (the 4th). The 9th being a "probability space" where everything exists in the form of raw information that has not yet been put into action (manifested). So it sits there in a neutral flux state, waiting to happen if it is chosen by cause and effect of an action within this existence. It could be seen from that view that consciousness, through body/mind could be the product of the sum total of all dimensions experiencing itself within the 3rd-D+Time through raw physical manifestation working in conjunction with awareness. Of course the false self image that believes that it is a totally separate entity loves to take credit for what it experiences and in doing so, ignores the fact that it may be something very different that is really causing all "this" to happen from outside of this dimension. Just keep in mind that all these models are no more than the conceptual framework that we place on ourselves as being separate from the whole. The limited mind experiences all this from the limited perspective of this physical plane. If it's science that helps you start to break down the confines of this 3rd-D space- time and transcend it, who knows where that could lead, so that is a start. Look at mathematics also. Everything within existence being #1 through all the others numbers into infinity. Than there is Zero. Zero contains all the other numbers, but yet it contains nothing. Only the fact that it is empty allows it to do so. Zero is Alpha Omega. Zero proceeds all numbers and it will remain untouched after all numbers are gone. So numbers represent existence. But Zero lies beyond and is changeless. What was before the "big bang" could be seen as Zero. Than what is after the big bang (existence) is where the beginning of all numbers start. Zero could be seen symbolically as nothingness, emptiness or the void that everything springs forth into manifestation from. To sum this all up. If you look deeply enough into existence itself, you will find clues that point to the source of it. Like subtle arrows pointing the way to the truth. They are all around us at all times. Many are so obvious that they are taken for granted and we don't see the deeper meaning within them. Nothing is hidden. *No concept or words are any different than any other, scientific or spiritual. The only thing that truly matters is the direct experience of what you are beyond the limited self as body/mind within existence. What gets you there is not what matters. Use concepts to your advantage than discard them all without exception. Just don't get trapped in them or they will make you their prisoner without you realizing it. Even the concept of what may lie beyond the manifest must be thrown out. I personally don't care what lies beyond "this". For now there is only this that truly exists. Something has sent us here for a reason. I have accepted both sides of the coin but I reside here for now. When the time comes and the lights go out and I stop existing, so be it. I will fully except that than. You said you are "fascinated" by all this that is happing here? Good, that is what the cosmos intended for you to do so it could discover and experience itself! Never let that die! 'You" are here for a reason.

@xXguitarsenXx Let go of the illusion of self. Allow "you" to fall away. Absolute surrender of everything. If your not experiencing a breakthrough at this point, you may not be totally letting go of yourself and still holding on. Give yourself some time. Than when your ready, give yourself a gift by totally surrendering all self. *Just as a note: if it starts to feel a little freaky at some point, that's it. Don't shy away from that. That's the doorway to a completely different experience. Different from anything you have ever experienced from the perspective of "you". Leo's video "Neti-Neti Guided meditation" would work nicely here. Don't just hear the words and conceptualize what he is saying, actually experience it. He is creating a crack in the wall of illusion for you to look through. It lies beyond all the words and conceptualizing.

@Nexeternity I understand I'm not my "thinking" or conceptualizing mind as I stated earlier. Not all the time anyway. I know I can't "think my way to enlightenment". Even the thought of what enlightenment is automatically turns it into an illusion or concept of mind. That would be trying to bring enlightenment down to this lowly level of the" known". That's not going to happen any time soon. "If it can be spoken of, that ain't it", as the old saying go's. On rare occasions I have experience what I am as pure empty awareness, no self, no likes, no dislikes, no love, no hate, no emotions. no attachment, no knowing of any kind what so ever. True bliss and liberation from the egoic mind. There was nothing for the ego to cling to, good, bad or indifferent. But that was just tastes and not a permanent state. This is where my original question lies. Leo reminded of something in a statement he made in another post very recently. I think it points to the answers I seek. There is absolute nothingness, the "infinite singularity" that is pure, empty awareness. Maybe I could say, at best I have witnessed that from a distance. But if i became that, that would cause the final shards of self to utterly burn to ash and all remnants of self would than vanish without a trace. Total and final liberation from self. I did feel that when the experiences happened. But it's always fleeting within time. So here is where I'm at now to sum it all up. I must become that and not just experience it. I can see the difference in that now! Thanks brother, all of this really helped piece everything together for me in all different ways! This should all come together nicely at some point. Maybe I can get myself off this see-saw ride to enlightenment once and for all by not just focusing on awareness but to utterly become it in every way. * I wrote this the other day and forget never hit the send button. Well here it is now. I just read your latest statement above. Don't worry about it. Yea there is always plenty of work to be done. I been at it on and off for 30 yrs. and there is still plenty to be done! It's a life long journey. I 'm thinking lately I should maybe put a little boost into my experience. Something that may kick it up a notch. Maybe experiment a little.

@Leo Gura What is described here is exactly what I experienced on several rare occasions. This is the definition of "ego death" (I just found this yesterday). Does this sound anything like "infinity" ? Or not even close? So I'm a little confused on this "ego death" experience and how much "infinity" may differ from it. Same? slightly different? Hugely different? *This seems like a description of more than just "ego death" to me. But what do I know. According to Leary, Metzer & Alpert (1964), ego death, or ego loss as they call it, is part of the (symbolic) experience of death in which the old ego must die before one can be spiritually reborn.[13] Ego loss is ... complete transcendence − beyond words, beyond space−time, beyond self. There are no visions, no sense of self, no thoughts. There are only pure awareness and ecstatic freedom from all game (and biological) involvements. ["Games" are behavioral sequences defined by roles, rules, rituals, goals, strategies, values, language, characteristic space−time locations.....