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@Feel Good Do as you wish.

@Feel Good Let it go. You are now trolling and hijacking this thread. Consider this fair warning.

Who owns this china shop?

@Joseph Maynor Sometimes less is more. @Feel Good He's right about that.

@Preetom Nothing woo woo about it at all. Nisargadatta had been expecting you. I'm sure of it.

@Preetom That just cracks me up! Thanks It really puts things into perspective.

@Preetom That strikes so true. Nisargadatta isn't for everybody but when I found him in my later years it was like "Yes, every word he utters is absolute truth". The connection there was exactly what I had been searching for.

@Preetom I like the story Wolinski tells of when first meeting with Nis and Nis asks him "Do you know who you are?" And he describes all the things he has experianced to Nis and he's going on and on about it. Then he looks over at Nisargadatta and he said "Nisargadatta was stairing at me with a look of total disgust on his face". hahaha

@Preetom That's good! Thanks for sharing that.

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@SoonHei It would be well worth farther investigation.

Yes- he uses the word on and not of the absolute. He also said that consciousness appears on the absolute as if on a screen. Which suggests IMO, that everything which appears on the screen of consciousness is illusion. Consciousness is an aspect of the absolute but not the absolute itself. Again this is only my opinion but I believe any experiance of the absolute is really an experiance of the screen but not the absolute itself b-c there is no direct experiance of the absolute as it is beyond all apperances.

@Preetom Exactly!!! Para-brahman that is according to Nis?

@Preetom My main concern is about this state that lies beyond consciousness. Well it can't really be called a "state" but someting is there. And according to Nisargadatta that "something" is the absolute. Am I mistaken?

@Toby Very cool! Yes "Absense of Absense". I know this but not as a direct experiance b-c there is no experiance to be had. That's exactly what I've been wondering about. When one totally vanishes into oblivion without a trace. "Beyond consciousness". Some ppl have told me when I first asked about it was " ah-you feel asleep". And I know that is not what happened. I know the difference. Many thanks

@Toby Let me ask your opinion on something since you bought up Nisargadatta and turiya (the forth state of consciousness). What is your take on how Nisargadatta used the word conscionseness? He mentions it in a different light than most teachers use the word. Unless I'm misunderstanding the way it's used. For instance "turiyatita" is defined as "beyond conscionseness" (the fifth state). Also some quotes of his. "Prior to consciousness who is there? And with what instrument can one be conscious" "My true nature is that which was before the body and consciousness came into being" "I who is there before consciousness am not concerned in any way to all that happens within consciousness" "You are prior to consciousness and whatever is happening in it. You are totally apart from it" "Consciousness alone feels the expanse of consciousness. But I- the absolute am not that" -He often refers to the absolute as Parabrahaman. See where I'm a bit confused here? Nisargadatta was a man who always said exactly what he ment and never waisted a word or talked in riddles. So my take from these quotes is he is describing a state that is beyoud consciousness. What's your take? Thanks

@SoonHei Dug this up by Ramana -Hope it helps. D: Bhagavan, you always say that the Self is ever present; if I am present then why do I not feel it? M: Do you not now feel that you exist? Your doubt is whether you will for ever continue to exist. Why should you have any doubt? A little thinking will convince you that the destructible part of your being, the body, is a mere machine, a tool in the service of the indestructible, the mind, which is the all-in-all, the knower and the master – you yourself. Your doubts and difficulties arise from your thoughts which perceive the body and take it for yourself. Stop the thoughts which are your enemy the ego, and the mind will remain as your pure being, the immortal ‘I’. *** D: How to reach that centre, where what you call ‘The Consciousness’ – the ‘I’-‘I’- arises? Is it by simply thinking “Who am I?” M: Yes, it will take you up. You must do it with a calm mind – mental calmness is essential. D: How does that consciousness manifest itself when that centre – the Heart – is reached? Will I recognise it? M: Certainly, as pure consciousness, free from all thoughts. It is pure unbroken awareness of your Self, rather of pure Being – there is no mistaking it when pure. ***

@Ar_Senses "It" is pure being. "It" is you without the "You".

@robdl I know this well. When my g-f gets pissed off I make it a point to just stay chill. She then tells me what a "Passive Agressive" person I am. If there's a next time she gets mad, I'll tell her "No, I'm passively aware".

@Basegodmike Sure thing. PM her if you want. I'm sure she'll be glad to help.

@Basegodmike You want to talk to @Emerald about that.

This thread is becoming a "strange loop" driven by "the movement of thought" within "psychological time" and is creating "fragmentation". I "fear" it will soon be locked.

@Nahm I saw it too-was thinking of you.

@zunnyman Here is a picture of what's known as the Bootes Void. It is literally a tear in the fabric of space/time- a true emptieness/void. It is both terrifying and beauliful But how would one know the truth of it unless they entered into it?

Death is waking up and realizing you've been dreaming.