Jakuchu

No, but yes

Obligation is a duality

@Salvijus Cheers! That's a whole vibe right there. Those pants are really nice

@Raptorsin7 Misunderstood your comment. Thought you mean me, who is the overly personal one. Judging by the profile pic I would say @Salvijusis a girl. You referred to her (or him, don't know) as "this guy" which confused me. That's why I made a selfie, to show you that I am innocent ?

Yeah, they look and sound more high end than they actually are

Around 18$, it's the modell es4 by KZ. great value

Thanks! It actually represents the 3 stages of ego development

@Raptorsin7 ?

You're gonna call me out like that? But to be fair, it's around 1hour and 30mins of meditation and I only masturbate every second day

@Judy2 Almost everything I say has a humoristic undertone to it. My approach to spirituality is very humor dominant. But also I am aware that I could be misusing humor in a passiv-aggressiv way

You have some tough competitors. There are probably some god-like aliens chillin' somewhere right now. And you haven't even figured out the right method, yet

@Leo Gura What now? Retirement?

It's tricky. On the one hand, I am grateful for all the content, insights, wisdom etc. and do have respect for Leo but at the same time he developed this spiritual macho attitude which I don't resonate with He doesn't care about Liberation or Happiness, he only cares about pure Understanding, because he is selflessly selfless. He is a hero. That's a nice story you are telling yourself, but understanding is not the end goal that you are after. You still expect something from understanding things. Understanding is not Being We need more of this

The fundamental problem here is that most of his spiritual insights happened through psychedelics. He is too pro-psychedelics and dismissive of meditation at this point. Chasing endless states is not how I understand spirituality. Embodiement is lacking This is like the ten ox herding images gone wrong

Leo right now

@Leo Gura But in the end what really inspires people is not how much you understand, it's how you are

He radiates a fake energy and most of his quotes are stolen. I feel like he is trying to be motivational just for the sake of being motivational but there is no real substance. No real message. It feels very dumbed down. It's this "you have one life and make the best out of it" type of shallow wisdom To a fool, he seems wise. Most of his content is still about relationships, emotional mastery, purpose, productivity, success, shallow mainstream type of wisdom etc. Not very existential. He is the perfect example of someone who is >using< meditation in order to be more effective at chasing after material success. Someone like him is not meditating because he is serious about awakening. His priorities are still backwards I think in his mind he sees himself as being yellow/turquoise but actually he is orange. Surely he has some degree of wisdom but he overestimates it. I don't see much relativistic thinking either. Instead of encouraging people to contemplate "What is success?", he will tell you how to be successful And to answer your question: no, he is not enlightened

Looks like we had the same bad trip. Fully get it, I call it absolute existential Loneliness haha Yes, it's like you need help but no can help you. There is only you, so if you can not help yourself then no one can. That feeling is horrifying I'd suggest stay away from psychedelics for a while and do ordinary stuff. Like going for walks, hiking, meditation, cooking etc. with a contemplative approach. Reflect and integrate the trip

This is where the phrase "It is what it is" comes in. You don't really have a choice but to accept it. At first it is shocking but if you get used to it actually becomes beautiful It's quite funny at times. If you go for a walk people look at you as a stranger, but they are not a stranger to you at all Ask yourself this, why do you want others to exist? What's the point?

Yeah, can very much relate to this. For me it was "I wanna be devil again". It's actually fun to be a finite self haha

Also I would add that it feels like you are becoming existentially sober and going insane at the same time When you are on the "path" towards enlightenment, it feels like it is an event far in the future. But when it is actually happening, you are in disbelief. You are so not ready, but also realise you could never be ready for this The quality of the moment, of your being rises to unimaginable degrees. But what's meant by quality is hard to put into words

If your "religion" is based on ideas, then it's already off to a good start

Don't expose us like that Please enlighten me, what about the language I used was cultish?

@Thought Art You are kind of all over the place, it's hard to pin you down and make a counter argument. It's like you are having a conversation with yourself You say that you knew you were god in fourth grade and then you say you still can't grok god You say psychedelics are very powerful, but then you say they only make out one percent of your spirituality

Yes, that was really uncomfortable Did them three times or so and it always wasn't worth it overall. That woody taste will haunt me for the rest of my life