Zen LaCroix

What are some examples of these f*cked up power dynamics that can make for amazing sex with these crazy girls

How did you summon this courage and willpower? What was it like emotionally? Any insights you got from doing this?

This only makes you choose sets you think have a higher probability of working out. It doesn’t make you approach them or talk to them in a higher quality way. You will avoid talking to some since you only get 3.

I ain't reading all that. I'm sure it was an emotional journey he went on if he really did. And I'm sure he learned a bunch too

Bro go ahead and do it. Its an amazing idea and you will learn so much from doing this

Why do you think 4 days is too much?

How many approaches are you doing a day?

I agree. They're like looking at a map. But actually doing it is like walking the territory

Why is the book so good

In your post you're being apologetic about wanting to have sex idk why

You see the girl. You have all these thoughts like I have no idea what to say. They could be rude to me. I could get humiliated. You don't want the people around you to see you approach. You feel nervous. You feel like that girl won't be interested in you. You make yourself do it anyway. Generally within seconds. If you wait any longer than a few seconds then usually the approach isn't getting done. So you throw yourself in there and your brain comes up with something to say. And you just do that over and over. You get into a flow state after back to back interactions and then those thoughts dissappear for a while. At some point something might throw you off like a harsh rejection or the girl's friend that you didn't meet yet comes in with a different vibe and it effects you. And now some of those thoughts can come back so you have to remember keep doing what you were doing. Keep approaching. Later you evaluate what you did well and what you can improve and focus on making those improvements next time. You become more resilient overtime and are emotionally unaffected. And you know what to do and say and how to carry yourself in these interactions due to throwing yourself in so many times. Is this how game is learned. I've watched so many videos from youtube and paid products and I understand the theory but when I go out and see a girl or a group of girls I'm still like I don't know what to say. A part of me almost knows this is how its done but I'd be curious if there's any more too it. Will our brain learn what to say and how to respond just by putting ourselves in those situations a lot and analyzing what we did right and what we did wrong.

Go do what you said. Approach 200 women and get back to us

I also met one of my wings from a long time ago that way

I know for myself getting rejected a lot can produce a rage in me which I'm still working on to be neutral towards or find funny. For yourself if you don't care about rejection where does the need to be careful about not hating women come from?

This seems like the first step when you stop being a nice guy. You no longer feel the need to be nice to people who aren't nice to you or who are being unpleasant. Its an interesting realization when you realize that you were raised to be so nice and respectful towards women but they weren't raised to be that way towards you.

Very interesting. Can you expand more on what you mean by "getting numb towards what women feel". In what way? I do think that just comes with being more grounded and less outcome dependent and validation seeking. However I'm curious to know what your perspective on it is?

Wow its amazing that you were able to take so much action. Whst was going through your head before you approached? How did you deal with the resistance if you felt any?

You overuse the word. Many people here barely have their survival needs met and are talking about how spiritually elevated and mature they are. The word is overused. Often by people who fail to connect with regular people. Its easy to call them immature. How developed are you if you can't shoot the shit with regular people. This thread here is about dating. People act like because they're so concious they shouldn't have to play any games. This actually shows a lack of conciousness because you obviously have to give someone what they want which is to be teased, playing with tension and to chase etc.

The topic of self-amusement is controversial when talking about improving with women because. Almost every time it’s discussed it’s generally mentioned with the caveat of “Don’t be a clown” or “dancing monkey”. And I’ve seen the dancing monkey stuff happening and I’ve done some weird things for self-amusement myself. I noticed a stark difference in how naturals self-amuse versus other guys wether they’re learning to improve with women or not. Naturals always look high value/ cool when they self-amuse. Whereas other guys often don’t. I’ve heard guys say it doesn’t matter how you dance just as long as you are enjoying yourself that’s all that matters but it’s not true. If you are dancing in a completely off-beat, off-melody way which I’ve seen actual autistic people do you look like you have low social value/ uncool. It’s not even that you need to be a good dancer but jumping up and down as if you’re listening to Metallica when a melodic song is playing on the speakers in the club make you look out of touch and socially uncouth. Self amusing is about feeling good in your own body. It really is just having fun it’s the same thing. Guys who are bad at self-amusement - Don’t understand that it’s just about having fun - overcompensation - trying too hard to keep the girls attention - There’s a lack of groundedness in their self amusement - Jumping up and down and dancing wildly (I believe we can tell that they are overcompensating for attention that’s why it comes across as clownish) - They have the vibe of the child that's like "mommy look" and they do something and then look at their mother for a reaction Overall it’s silliness from an overcompensating place it seems for the girls attention and a lack of intent. The girl is in charge of the interaction How I’ve seen naturals self-amuse (these are just a few examples - Flirting - Giving the girl a fake name - Getting the girl to sue - Push/Pull - Teasing - Showing disapproval - Pretending to be gay especially with their male friends - Making the girl chase even though they know they want her anyway. Ex. They cut off attention to the girl and treat her like she’s a spoiled brat for trying to interrupt him - Playfully yelling at people - Mocking girls - Treating girls like children - Giving the girl a role or role-playing ex. Pretending like you know each other from middle school when you actually don’t - Refusing to engage with logic or answer questions - Dancing (they look cool when they dance though they’re not doing it awkwardly or because they feel they have to) I’ve seen that for naturals it comes from a place not taking on other people’s frames, maintaining their own frame and not taking anybody seriously. But there is a time to not be silly. It’s mixed in with actually getting to know someone and the intent is there. They are in charge of the interaction You can learn self-amusement from girls too. I’m still learning this stuff myself.

I noticed that in the forum in general a patternI have noticed for months you calling people immature. What is your meaning of immature?

Karisma King is a great teacher who has reached excellence in dating. Look up his youtube channel

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Do you think this makes you holier than thou? That you have chemistry but are not thinking about sex? Not sure why you had this thought process that its Awesome haha. Fix your social programming. Its kinda insulting and disrespectful to be hanging out with a girl you have strong chemistry with and not be thinking about sex.

The speakers included Owen Cook, Marczell Klein, Sid Samtaney, Zac and Damon Day 1 Limiting beliefs come down to you not believing you can Everything you do should come from what you want Biggest limiting belief is that it takes a long time If you change your mindset you change your life quickly Anyone who has success in anything isn’t doing from a difficult paradigm Beliefs and Desires conflict and create inner conflict Stop thinking it’s hard When you look a tour life that’s what you optimized for If you wanna improve your life optimize for want you want Guy with delusional confidence wins Invisible mental barrier, limiting beliefs create an internal war inside Best skill is to liberate yourself from limiting beliefs Charisma, Internal self-belief and going after it Best skill - skill to control my own thoughts and feelings Confidence We living in a confidence hierarchy. Whoever has the most confidence is the alpha Marczell went out and approached lots of girls and got addicted to feeling confident His intention wasn’t to get with a girl it was to become more confident At 15 he could approach and girl in any situation If your goal is sex and you don’t get it. Confidence goes down (When going out its best to not make the goal sex make it something else) When you’re confident your brain just picks up the skill with no limitation His goal was to get over his fear of rejection Simplify things to understand them and so you can actually use the information You can be hypnotized to be confident (Mentalism) You want to program your mind so that there’s no conflict within. You are fully aligned with your goal Change doesn’t mean time ti just means change Owen, Marczell & Sud Owen is extremely intense. The most intense person I’ve ever met in my life. He has fire and aggression in him Being proactive not reactive Be at the cause not the effect Owen looks rich. The jewelry glistens. The glasses the shirt look high quality If you want permanent change you must change at the identity level and you can’t remember what it was like Flow state connect conscious and subconscious A man with strength of mind is very attractive Few celebrities have confidence. They’re also scared to approach women You gotta be swinging you gotta be taking risks Very few people aware in the mindset of taking action past their comfort zone The passive meek attitude accumulates Being a good hunter means you’re willing to take risks Be willing to fail See lanes, see opportunity Abundance is required internally to be successful Jealously comes from you believing you ant get what someone else has Everything you do when you have money is for you to have you money There’s a promotion oriented brain and a prevention oriented brain Rain the stakes Run into the burning building (metaphorically) Once I commit to doing it I will figure out the solution You have to win you have no choice Everything intentional the way he moves his hands, dresses etc Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis Create a second personality Sid Samtaney - Extreme intensity even more so than Owen sometimes like woah Breaking tension hurts your perceived status The ability to hold tension is an indicator light Breaking tension shows sometimes is messed up with you and a lack of self-belief Boldness Need to know you can take up space and nothing happens and you get proof not promises Confidence is a reflection of you self-belief The self belief has to be pure. Your foot can’t be on the gas and the break at the same time You’re in a freakish amount of momentum Everything and the kitchen sink must be throw at it Flow state makes work more fun and effective Jobs are bullshit and they exhaust you When you are at the job you are at the mercy of a boss Getting rich Absolute value for time Time + focus + momentum It’s a war for time, focus and momentum Everything is out there to deplete you. You gotta fight and guard your time When people gossip tune out Once you’re rich its easy to get richer since you’re in the right circles Spiritual ascension You’re at the cause not the affect Everything is easier Vibrations are contagious Need to find something you can start getting money in and do it after your job Permanent work is idiotic Build the principle Live off what it pays you Get 100% of your time back If you have a job you will rot away in a nursing home You know you have a good relationship because its not hard A vibe of valuing your time A vibe of being at the cause not the effect The key is confidence and you need nothing from anybody else People pleasing is taking If you’re giving there and inconcious belief you will receive Crack in the Dam Time efficient Potent Energy Virility Get back time, focus and momentum Being an emotionally regulated source of grounding energy Problems Gatekeepers, to much money to start Miasma Container events Build a big network Charisma Social Skills Personal Branding The skills you get from going out meeting girls helps you get millions Day 2 Higher Purpose Day to Day Motivations Lower Purpose (Pain) What is the cost of not doing this stuff? You don’t need motivation, motivation is fleeting This is all psychological Motivation is an entry level paradigm You need to have clarity on your vision Compile your notes into action steps Buy into your own vision We value what we invest into Fear is an entry level paradigm 0 - 1 is the hardest step. The first step is the hardest step Need to be ruthlessly consistent “I’d rather die than have a job” I am going to be this and the alternatives death Speaking loud is an exertion of your nervous system similar to a boxer knocking someone out a sprinter sprinting Your nervous system should fire Acceptance of pressure Handle adrenaline You’re going into the abyss If you’re not continually going into the unknown. You’re going too slow Train the mind and the body to handle adrenaline Are you gonna die doing this? Act first then course correct later Mind can loop on downsides when afraid Fear is really excitement If you want freedom you will have to take it It’s the bold people who make the real/impact The ultimate high comes from not dying after going outside the comfort zone Your mindset is just a strategy to get things in life Mindset Beliefs Emotions Patterns Your beliefs are just a strategy to either not die or get what you want What minute gets me to be rich and have an amazing dating life Change happens now Confidence is a belief that you will get what you want You know that you’re changed because you’re all in You actions say where you are Weight loss Eat carbs 30 -60 mins after 3x a week lifting 4 days not working out no carbs What do I want? What are you doing wrong that’s not getting you the result? You’re always in a trance. Find out what trance you’re in When you try it implies you can’t do it Have a goal and figure it out You have to have the obsession acquire servant syndrome What do they want? What are they scared of? Focusing on rejection is low caliber thinking People who take extreme ownership of their situation get ahead Subversive Elites - Psychopaths Masses - On autopilot, numb Regular people - connected to God Flywheel - when it speeds up it lives off the power of its own momentum If you don’t have access to a flow state you’re a puppet EVERYTHING FROM A YOUNG AGE IS DESIGNED TO GET YOU TO LISTEN TO AUTHORITY Conscious non-resistance Find something so profound to you it’d make you cry Learn the ancillary skills The skills that bring your vision to life Public speaking Leadership Marketing Social Skills Study click-bait and thumbnails You gotta learn how to have kids so you gotta learn dating The worst thing that can happen to you is staying the same and getting what you want Pick Up A process of personal alchemy and dedication The best gift that women give to men is rejection As a man you have to have a penetrative energy MASTER HIERARCHY Allows ugly, short meant to have the sex life of a god To the girls be more Hilarious Comfortable with yourself In states Leader Having it down to where its like getting a sandwich out the fridge Be out of your head. Alpha makes are out of their head When you have the transformation life gets so fun. His life is just so fun everywhere he goes Marczell’s vibe is an I don’t give a fuck vibe You want be very spiritual and also be like a psychopathic narcissist Day 3 It’s always better to be in the moment when approaching a girl The moment you want to retreat like a turtle in its shell go and do the action Anytime you’re under pressure relax Anytime you’re in your control muscle over release something will be off Be in your release muscle Foot on the gas not the brakes THE GIRLS WANT A GUY WHO’S NOT IN THE BOX OF SOCIETAL CONDITIONING Over time of getting in a flow state often your baseline state increases Push yourself but hot to the point where you’re incongruent Ramp up your state Don’t use crutches Slow is smooth and smooth is fast Practice moving and speaking like molasses People move towards value, strength and status ALWAYS CONTROL THE FRAME In ever mammalian species the top 1% of males mate with 80% of the women Get it in your head that for the rest of your lie you will be aware of how you’re coming across Avoid being meek Speak life a juicy buffalo wing Be positive dominant You need to have a core of strength Fully own yours even if you are stifled The leader is strong. Weak person cannot be trusted by particularly women You’re gonna have people try to shame you and put you back in your box when you are transforming Everyone has to face their demons it may not be comfortable What is your version of hiding? Me- Being quiet, smiling sometimes Don’t put on a character. No mask The mask comes on when we are uncomfortable being ourself There’s has to be something in you that want to conquer that wants to win A part of you that is not tame , not giving a fuck Trying for rapport tonality brings out aggression in others Speak in breaking rapport Voice should inflate downward Stop looking at good looking men as your role model Look at short unattractive men who get a lot of girls as role models Vitality Fearless Hilarious Owen’s last girlfriend at 45 was 20 years old Be honest that a good looking 6’5” guy and a short guy are gonna have to go about dating very differently Go on a rampage Clarity- You need to explain business model very clearly and explain cash flow Explain the psychology behind the whole ting You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief What’s your motivation? Why are you in this? Time cost. Energy cost. Everything in life has a price Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now Unless you light a fire under your ass it aint gonna happen We have extreme normalcy bias Owen and Sid constantly feel like they’re moving too slow You have to get unstuck. Unfuck yourself You are always in your own way self-sabotaging All change happens when you step out of your current identity If you’re not caught in you will stay stuck You must have self-belief Create a very unique lifestyle. You can do so an an entrepreneur Your presence should say I am a guy that fucks. I’m a guy that gets p*ssy You need to get horny for the girl. Extremely important Look at her and figure out something that will get you horny about her Gotta believe you’re game is good All stress is self-induced Status is in your mind Believe you are higher status than others Need to have a healthy level of narcissism and believe you are better than others to get what you want If you focus on the future what you wanna become you can become that Protect your focus like your life depends on it RAS should focus on the good Learn from your failures but only replay the wins in your head Let go of the story you tell yourself about your life (Owen eating rice crispy treats) Approach anxiety comes from you being one person in your life and another when you approach the girls Owen going out 4 -5 hours a day everyday Don’t be a coward Who you are in between sets and when you aren’t approaching is really important. Can’t be putting on a character when you approach Make no mistake tis is a course that teaches ugly short men who to get beautiful women Bathe in the tension Owen and Sid use aggressive body language that physically riles them up and adds to their intensit Be able to generate different facial expressions and emotions at will Make love to every word you say

The guys I've know to get laid the most are simply cool guys who are fun, charming, bold, high sex drive and barely work. They actuallyoperatein a way that's against what society pushes.