Zen LaCroix

I think too many spiritual people try to deny the physical world that they live in and and it comes out in unconcious ways like this. There is this harmful idea in the spiritual community that you transcend your sexual desires once you become enlightened. Why can't you be enlightened and also wanna fuck a lotta women at the same time. I'm not enlightened so I wouldn't know but this denying of sex leads to stuff like this

Bro this girl still has feelings over this guy it seems. She's not some innocent fairy in this situation. Girls choose these men. I dare you to ask her was there anything she liked about the abuse. And push for an answer. Many women who have been in domestic violence relationships report having the best sex of their lives in domestic violence relationships. There is a high chance she will get bored of you for not abusing her. If you are emotionally healthy go be with a girl who is also emotionally healthy not some girl who likes domestic violence. You think her ex wis a POS but you'll soon find out she was exactly where she wanted to be

I have a similar experience of being sexually shamed by my mother at a young age just not to the extreme that you've been. You may be unaware of just how much trauma you are holding. I see that you are really good at intellectualizing your problems and you are aware of what they are but that doesn't actually get rid of them. To release this trauma try something called Somatic Experiencing. It's one of the most effective ways to release trauma and results come quickly. You wrote a lot can you just be clear in one sentence what your moral issues are? However if you believe that caring about personality before looks or not viewing women sexually somehow makes you moral it absolutely does not. It just means you are disconnected from your sexuality.

Interesting. Thought they were one and the same. Spiritual gurus have made it seem like awakening makes you moral and just and care about all beings.

I’ve known about game for many years and I’ve dabbled in it on and off and had a few experiences but always quit because I was too weak to take the pain I’ve done lots of trauma release which has been helpful for me an I’m getting back into the game now. However, I have wasted my entire 20’s being sexually inexperienced, with few friends and never having had a girlfriend. I know I have to use this to fuel me to go harder.I’m not trying to be a victim here. This was my own doing by my own laziness and my choices to be weak and not approach. However, if any of you guys have been in this position, how did you get over this feeling of being behind in your 30s? I know logically I have to accept it. I never got to experience that high school or earlier twenties puppy love. I’m expected at my age to have had experiences. Does that feeling of being behind ever go away? Did you make up for it? How did you navigate the expectation of being experienced at your age?

This probably means Joe won't be bashing him on the war in Iran anymore

So true. The Republican party was so anti-war a few years ago. Now all of a sudden they're so pro Iran war

If you asked me a few years ago I really believed that nuclear weapons were for “deterrence”. But now I must say I can actually see the possibility of Israel or the US using them on Iran. The war with Iran has put the petrodollar at risk. It’s making America look weak and Iran looks a lot more powerful that we thought it was. Iran is making more money from oil than has before Iran is bypassing sanctions and trading with nations and building relations with nations that it hadn’t before due to Iran actively taking control of the strait of hormuz has put it in a much more powerful position Iran’s control and Strait of Hormuz policies are in direct conflict with the petrodollar system While America looks weak the nuclear option can very quickly even the playing field. I believe the US army looks somewhat incompetent and weak by being unable to open up the strait. This whole situation threatens to destroy the petrodollar system. I can’t imagine Trump’s administration allowing the enemy of the US government, Iran to take down petrodollar system. They severely underestimated Iran and there is a chance of a nuclear weapon being used to maintain US dominance and status quo in the world. Israel could also be the one to use nukes if they feel they’re losing the war too much

The strait of Hormuz is only open to those who have set up some deal with Iran where they pay in Chinese Yuan. Countries are also buying Iranian oil in Chinese Yuan. And now they're buying Russian Oil as well in Russian Rubbles and Chinese Yuan. Then middle eastern countries that have the petrodollar agreement with the US haven't been selling much of their since the strait is blocked I believe a few have stopped entirely. I'm not an expert but the Chinese Yuan. US Dollars are still important of course but they're just not as important as they were before the war. The importance of the US Dollar is being chipped away slowly. I'm saying this is the beginning of a decline. The dollar is still powerful, however and will be for years to come.

Strategically it can maintain the petrodollar which this war seems like it's on track to end

Leo made a blog post about pick up guys not respecting the sovereignty of women. I wanted to ask Leo as well as the forum members what it means to respect the sovereignty of women when doing pick up. To me it means not harassing them physically or sexually. Respecting their rejection and walking away. Not touching them in an unwanted way. No use of violence, the threat of violence, coercion, intimidation or blackmail or any other method to get the girl to do something that she may not want to do. Another forum member made a post about doing pick up in a conscious way and this is what I'm getting at here. Because according to Leo all socializing is corrupt because we are survival machines but the reality is that most of us here want women and friends and a family and socializing is or will be a big part of our lives. So lets talk about it. What do you think it means to respect a woman's sovereignty?

There was another study somewhere where it said covertly the number 1 trait that people look for in a partner is them being good at sex

What do you consider to be hardcore game?

Ok I get it. Faking who you are and what you want to get sex. I do disagree that if you want sex you have to tell her. You are underestimating women's social intelligence. They are not so stupid that everything has to be said explicitly. You don't have to tell her you want sex. You might not even know 100% if you want sex. Part of the excitement can be not knowing what's going to happen or going with the flow. But I get it everybody has different opinions on what they consider ethical.

Be more specific please. I don't know what you mean by what you really are, intentions and agenda are hidden to exploit her I think you are saying you need to know upfront what you want and tell her. Which is kinda too logical in my opinion. Where's the mystery? But expand on this so I fully understand give an example. Also remember the core idea of my questioning is about ensuring we respect women's sovereignty.

Interesting. I still I don't see how this is taking away her sovereignty but I can see of course lying to get you want can be considered unethical. When it comes to saying you value a woman for her personality even if you don't. Truthfully almost all men who are not psychopaths and narcissistics are gonna care about a woman's personality on some level. Anyway how would reckon that with the idea of playing the game and that noone is above the game. So even if you just want to fuck it would be generally be bad social skills to just say that explicitly. Of course there is a way to make it sexy but the mystery is preferred. You're also not obligated to know if you want a relationship or just sex with the girl before you have sex. And many women want casual sex too. They want to chase and by being upfront about sex you're forcing yourself to make a decision and you don't even know if you want this girl or not. It also can rob her of the ability to chase and qualify herself to you.

Let's be more specific. What exactly do you mean by cheating and manipulating to get sex? Give an example

I hear this but I feel differently. Pick up is about getting a woman attracted and wanting to sleep with you. You learn how to handle their state, increase her state, her compliance and buying temperature to want to go off with you. There is also the reality that the woman often isn't looking for a guy and may not even have an agenda towards that. She has so much abundance and already has so many guys that want her and guys who continually persuing her that she just expects to go with the flow of some guy she likes. This is influence and persuasion but would you really call pumping a woman's state to make her want to go off with you not respecting her sovereignty as a human being?

I've heard some say if you don't date trans people you're transphobic but is that even the main consensus among the trans community or the opinion of just a few trans people? Are we overblowing this because a few trans people are saying this online and its easy to make them all punching bag? It's not like them saying that is gonna change what people are attracted to

@Leo Gura What got you so into Aba and Preach's content?

I noticed a pattern here. If a thread goes on long enough it'll eventually lead to discussions of topics of concousness, god, psychedelics and spiritual advancement practices like Kriya Yoga

The thing is NOT being able to get women can give you an existential crisis It can fill you hopelessness and despair if you can't get a woman because if you can't them then there's no possibility of you having a family which is what most men want at some point Its not even about happiness its about getting those base needs in Maslows Hierachy taken care of

The thing is if you don't have frame then you'll just take on the societal frame which is this girl is better than me because she looks better than me she's out of my league so you just won't approach or you'll be weird or you'll approach her in a low value way because you believe she is better than you You may feel insecure about your looks where you should actually feel confident for no reason at all because confidence in itself is sexy Society's frame at least in America is that the man should chase the woman for example. There are many issues with society's frame

Owen himself has said a bunch of stuff around this overcompensation topic specifically he said you have to act and carry yourself like a highly attractive man but 10x it to compensate for your lack of looks. And you have to hold frame because you will be tested on it for acting like that when you don't look like that type of guy. You also have to hold frame because you are not going to be constantly validated and getting girls throwing themselves at you for nothing. If you don't validate your own frame then your state will crash and your frame will crumble due to rejection. And if you need positive feedback to maintain your frame then you are done! Which I've found rings true He says you basically wanna be the ugly guy who thinks he hot. Every girl at some point has or will date a guy who isn't good looking and you can be that guy. A one of one unique man

Owen loves those crazy BPD girls which is why he always talks about them He's also a super night owl. The whole team that he has is. His lifestyle is not conducive to dating a woman with a regular job. He lives a fast life with lots of sex, partying, traveling, networking at all hours of the day. He travels a lot too He actually clicks with women that care a lot about status get lots of plastic surgery etc from what I've seen but I don't know that much about him