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@Leo Gura OPENING I must ask this question from you, because either it is the language that you use that does not "click" or then you just miss one simple thing (obviously it would be hard to believe). MAIN TEXT Whatever happens NOW in the movie is all there is. I guess you agree at least on this. Next thing. Anything that is HERE and NOW cannot be the one that "perceives", because if it would be found it would just be another thing in the movie. VINK VINK that "I AMNESS" you talk about is another thing that is "object" and if it wouldn't then it wouldn't exist in the movie right NOW. If you would be silent with no thoughts and don't believe that something right NOW is perceived then only thing that remains is _______ and the best analogy I have for this would be movie without watcher or content. No self nor other. Thing is not like if other is being taken away self remains, because definition of self is that there is opposite. So it doesn't matter do you kill other or self, because either way you kill 2 birds with one stone per se. So basically saying that everything is self or everything is other both mean that separation of these dualities have collapsed, but still calling the outcome of this collapsing self or other alone would be misleading - at least if you ask me - because then you would just change definition of the word (in this case it needs opposite to live) so it works to your own analogy and that confuces people even more. We need solid words to point out things, because otherwise you would always need to think what the other one tries to tell you. CONCLUSION So agreement in definitions of words (dualities and pointers) helps information to travel. You agree? ps. you can't turn gaze there where you are gazing, because at the same time you would be gazing from "somewhere else" and that which you gaze is another thing that is "perceived". So that which you gaze towards becomes thing that is gazed from the thing that is gazing. -joNi-

Day 4 Today I learned another 3 dance moves (step 5, step 6 and reverse running man) and the insight of the day was that you will get very exhausted, if you don't know how to save energy while dancing. By that I mean that you should simply reduce intensity and pace, if you are out of breath. I wouldn't take breaks, if you only dance a half our, because you need to gain necessary condition for dancing. Maybe I should start running again, hmm. There is a difference in learning move and making it stick to your deep memory. If you can focus on moving your hands and making different upper body "moves" while dancing through that dance move then I would call that you really have it. Those dance moves I have learned I almost can do that, but sometimes I need little bit concentrating to my legs and then my hands will not keep up with legs. Time danced: 2 hours Dance moves learned: 12

@Kamo Not even close to the thing that was tried to be communicated Thing just is that try to see thoughts as one sense and thing that happen in the movie which is called NOW and HERE and not as something that "someone" does or even that "someone" perceives.

@Raptorsin7 You might find reasons why some people believe to them, but you should take into account that this which you believe slightly - that is possible - convinces you more and doing so is like rabbit hole that feeds itself. You will start to connect things in your thoughts and you may accidently start believing to something that you made up from your mind. I don't deny nor accept those theories, but I would be extremely caution when researching them. Video below shows potentiality of stupidity

@Seeker_of_truth You can't ever make picture of moon from your finger, but you can obviously point towards it. It's up to you what words you want to use as pointers, but I think that using more precise pointers is benefical. For example how I like to present this thing is as movie that there is nothing behind (other or material) and nothing front of it (I or perceiver). Thought that something is perceived at this very moment is also a thought. Without something being perceived there wouldn't be perceiver so what is function of this "I" in this pattern? Only thing that it could be is that whole movie itself, but it does not look like "I", but rather movie. @Gili Trawangan @Mason Riggle Right! bros

@Mason Riggle Yeah and that's one of the reason spirituality needs to be talked very technically, because otherwise people could get pretty confused and fall into every trap that is possible. Also I am huge fan of self-expression and that should be feature of everyone talking spirituality verbally. It's completely same as brain surgeon needs precision in his/her job.

@Gili Trawangan Exactly! And one thing more is that I wouldn't call it a SELF or ENTITY neither, because those are too similar to ego and one could accidently take that decreased sense of self and project it to the _______ and that is also a trap. That's the main reason I wouldn't use "I" at all in spiritual explanations, because even "I am God" implies that something is something else and this first part "I" or "I AMNESS" - which basically tries to point out that there would be sense of solidity or sense of self left - is misleading if you ask me.

Day 3 Today was third day dancing and I learned another 3 moves from 100 Shuffle Moves by Prokopik Yurii (step 1, step 3 and step 7). I was almost taking break today, because my stomach for some reason didn't like dancing. I knew that it is okay to listen for your body - but as I am unyielding - I made myself to accomplish it and I am happy of my decision. My opinion is that first the dancer should feel proud of him/herself and dance with confidence, because if you can dance with confidence even if you are just beginner then think how you could behave when you are actually good. Good way to this is to get used moving your hands freely and take lot of space even if you don't know at this point what you should do. Thing is that I try to learn all the most important elements of dancing as efficient as possible so I won't get stuck not progressing. As I said previously, I will make at some point theory about how one could learn to dance as easily as possible, because I trust that when you are one with your body, you will be lot of happier. Next day I will definitely learn some upperbody moves for so I can mix things more easily and here are the videos I will use. At this point only that last Arm Moves by David Andrade is required, but I am pretty sure that learning arm and body wave does help you to build control of your body and that can free you up even more. So if you are beginner as well as I am then I would say that maybe leave those waves for the start, because otherwise you could get too frustrated and stop this journey, trust me. Time danced: 1,5 hours Dance moves learned: 9

Here are more moves for me to learn and I also have to start learning more moves a day so I will make faster progress.

Day 2 Today was second day learning to dance and I learned another 3 dance moves (foot tap, traveling feet and jive) and something random that I made by myself. Because dancing is form of self expression you have to do that which comes to your mind. All dance moves are here just so you have something to play with. Thing in dancing is that you have to get used moving your body so first it doesn't even matter what you do as long as you don't suppress yourself from trying something different. Dancing is fun activity so just enjoy yourself and one additional tip is just to let your body do whatever it wants and surrender your control that actually you don't have to begin with, but most likely I won't explain that further, because this is journey about dancing. My motivation towards dancing is about to skyrocket like what happens with every challenge that I start. Soon I will be watching ton of different dancing videos and getting into theoretical part of it. Also I will make my own theories of different aspects of dancing so it gets clear that what I do. I will also share those insights here so people can follow this journey whenever they want. One good thing to remember is that you don't need to wait till you have dancing shoes or sport clothes, because you can actually buy these things after you have done dancing for solid time. If you are that type of guy who wants to buy all things before you start, I would challenge you to make exception in this one. Also I don't need to stress too much about how I can record dancing, because that is not happening for a while. Time danced: 1 hour Dance moves learned: 6

@Preety_India I am not confusing them to each another, but just talking about that calling something real does not mean anything, because it's your own definition of something. Also that if something happens to many of us is not valid argument that it is more real than another one. Also many of us think that there is "I", but still that is not the "truth" so don't make argument mistake "Argumentum ad populum". I am not saying connor is having awakening or not, because no one knows, but him. We only know that what we see, but that is his behavior not what he experiences and this whole connor argument is beside the point I am trying to show. All that I am just trying to point out is that derealization may happen either as mental illness or as spiritual symptom. For example kundalini reportebly makes you see different things and it is not mental illness.

@Preety_India So you didn't understand my point when I addressed words normal and real. One person may see world as unreal and is diagnosed as having derealization, but at the same time one who does not make assumptions from "world around you" may feel the same. Which is difference between "psychosis" and psychedelic trip? You may say that none of those is real, but you are wrong, because actually both of those as equally real and unreal because that which feels real is just your own definition for the word and that is not based on anything. I agree that people with so called "mental illnesses" shouldn't participate in spiritual practises or the consequenses could be radical, but all that I am saying is that there are nothing which is more real than anything else and that is the reason we can't separate any experience from another one. I may have good insight and call it spiritual awakening and there is no one who can argue with me, because I am the one who defines how the word is used, but at the same time another one could see it as illness, becuase it's scary as h***. If you have more questions then let me know and we can have further analysis on here : )

@Preety_India Thing is that this is pretty tricky, because what do you define as real or normal and what does they mean. I know that derealization is defined as symptom, but at the same time loss of sense of self (depersonalization) is being seen as symptom as well, but this is just stopping believing to something that does not exist. When you define something as real or normal that implies that there are opposites unreal and unnormal and what are they in this situation and how do you "know" which is real compared to other. If real is that what has been always then having no self or face is real, because when you were "born" there are none of those. So actually believing to any of those is being seen as "unreal" or "unnormal". The reason they are seen as sympoms are because our main humanity is not deep enough to understand these spiritual concepts and therefore they see them as something bad. So actually this whole conversation is hard, because same time some of these are scary stuff and need to be "cured", but at the same time these are same things that one who is very deep into spiritual sees as positive signals. Difference between fluidity of mind in psychedelics, deep meditation or just accepting wrong assumpions and something that we should be conserned is just that how the one who experiences these takes them. If the one is happy from these, does not panic and his/her life is not "threatened" by these I wouldn't call that as anything bad and vice versa. So the difference is actually pretty hard to define other than how it is being taken and therefore only thing we can do is to help people to have more happiness in their lives and we need to understand that which makes them happy and help them based on this knowledge. So you can't for example give football to someone who likes tennis or car to someone who likes running. Sidenote: why did you stop using your own face as avatar or did it feel too personal for you? -joNi-

@Antor8188 Because you ask the question you seem to confuse them or at least think that some folks do so I ask the question from you that what makes you personally think that it can be confused. Also little tip for you that next time you start topic make it little bit longer and try to explain your thoughts more clearly so people know immendiately what you mean by that and this makes it easier to answer for your questions : )

@Federico del pueblo We could bypass this question and just go straight towards the thing you deeply want to know that is can I do NOW spirituality? Why not just do spirituality and when you feel you can't or don't want then take break from it. Thing is that I suggest everyone just to meditate, because point of life is to be happy and meditation helps you to let go attachments and therefore you can be happy no matter what. I don't know which person couldn't meditate, because in simplest way possible it is just enjoying being NOW. I myself haven't even touched psychedelics and I don't even see problem in that, if I don't just want to have some heightened levels of consciousness or get insights. If you ask could you do psychedelics then to that I would first ask you what you want from them and how that helps you to be happy and if it's possible to attain without psychedelics why not just do that first and do psychedelics when it is "needed". I am not against psychedelics, but because you seem to be little bit conserned about spirituality I would start easy and go as deep as you "need" to be incredible happy by just existing. Even if you decide to try psychedelics I would start ridiculous small dosage, because what is there to lose by just being caution. If the problem is that you don't want to waste money, time or other resources then I wouldn't touch psychedelics, because that attitude can make you to take too much and just straight up make you have bad trip if you don't know how to surrender to that which happens. Your question is basicly am I ready to play super mario and the answer is yes as long as you start from the first level and build your skill level to next level before evolving to next level. This analogy is also good in a sense that this attitude makes you love playing the game rather than trying to finish it, because when you are in the end what is there to do, but just BE watching credits of the game. So little tip for you is that the journey is the goal, because you are NOW playing this game so better to enjoy playing or what is the reason even touching the game to begin with. -joNi-

@Kamo First of all Leo has video about nootropics and you can google about them whenever you want. As I said good cure to mental fatigue can be found in extreme high quality diet. The point is that it does not matter how good additive things you put into your car tank if the main fuel is horrible to begin with. If you are taking coffeine I would stop that completely. Also drinking enough water, sleeping well on good pillow and bed, physical sport and meditating regularly is really important if you want to maximize your energy levels. Kriya yoga helps to increase your energy levels in your body so I would also suggest you to check that. In case you want to talk more I am open to that so keep asking questions, if you will.

@Raptorsin7 I don't and I can't "teach" those who don't feel great close to me. One good tip for any teacher is that (s)he needs to find those who feel better when around them. What could I do for them that have negative feelings towards me. One good thing in life to do is to accept that not everyone can like you no matter what you did. Even jesus or fill that with anyone that you think that had/has beautiful soul had/has those who don't like them. You just can't possibly be seen as good guy for everyone and I have accepted that a long ago and that is why I can't be concerned if one guy or two on the forum does not see me as I am. I know that what "I" am as person and that is enough for me and those who want help and want it specially from me - those are the ones I can do something with. Because I see myself as "great teacher" - if you would like to phrase it that way - I don't force people to trust me, like me or to be helped by me. I know that I can't help everybody and that does someone feel great with me is good indicator for me if I can or can't help them.

@Trickyp I am totally okay, if I will never be mod. If you think that this is my life's main purpose then I can't anything, but just to laugh this idea . I have just offered help to Leo and this forum, because I care about people here, but that what I do is constantly being seen as wrong then, okay, maybe it's not right thing me to be mod. That's what Leo decides not me nor anyone here. @Raptorsin7 I accept all critique and, because it seems that you don't see me as "living in harmony" then you shouldn't maybe talk to me, who knows. Thing is that as I said, sometimes it's hard to show empathy that you have when you first need to give critique by yourself. If it would have helped you that I would have said after every post that I love you then okay that is something that I then maybe do Most of my answers already have that message at end of them just, because I don't want any misunderstandings of my words. At least I know as myself that I am constantly happy, because I have "solved" that how life works for example I get pleasure just by existing and I wouldn't need anything, but just to BE. I would like "everyone" to have this same happiness that "I" have. I can honestly say that I don't think that I have any radical shadows like you seem to believe in, but I agree that whenever someone is straight with their words and does not hesitate that which he says, that may sound like shadow and egoistical pursuing. With me that is not the case, but if you think like that I can't or I don't need to change that feeling for you, because that feeling is regardless that was it right or wrong.

@Raptorsin7 It's not provoking and I don't need to prove anyone if I am good guy or not, but truth is that I have used lot of time on this forum just helping others and actually I get nothing from it, but smile to my face. It's not about having authority, because I see everyone as equal, but when someone knows for example more about how to play piano I would consider him/her to be one who tries to explain how things work. My whole life purpose is to help "others" and I have nothing else to do, but sit on my computer helping someone or to see my friends and trying to put smile on their faces and that's it. You don't need to talk to me if you don't feel like it, because there are lot of others who could help you, but I just presented myself as one possibility if you would be interested about it. I try not to be toxic and if that what I do is being seen like that then I can do nothing but to apologize. Sorry for that Raptorsin7. for real @Breakingthewall I know that you mostly point your post towards me , but the thing is that I am aswell very straight with my words and I don't want to any censoring, but imho that conversation could have escalated so much more, if I and others wouldn't have pointed out clear problems in communication for example having too much hate.

@Raptorsin7 Thanks for understanding So my advice for future is that you work these things with yourself or someone who is professional from your point of view. Actually I could talk these things with you, if you want and as you can see even when you argued against me and tried to prove me wrong actually I don't have any bad feelings towards you so that could be sign for you that I am not trying anything bad. Thing is that just drop this want to stop Nahm from teaching, because I can say my hand in my heart that Nahm does not want anything bad to anyone else and this is the case for everyone and if you don't believe that then see Leo's video of Everyone Acts From Good Intentions like I told you. Also there is no reason to stop Nahm from teaching, because there are not that much of people who have faced something so radical like you have. I agree that there were many cases when Nahm failed to talk in relative domain and talked in absolute domain, but I wouldn't question his understanding in spirituality and like I have said earlier not Leo nor any other spiritual teacher can fix your emotional problems and this is where professional therapist comes. Of course spiritual teacher may lead someone to almost kill themself if not kill themself, but spiritual teachers have no experience about people's mental problems and this is something that is not their job.

@Inliytened1 I have used almost 3 hours of my time to solve this situation and I know that it's not easy to look within himself, but the thing is that actually only showing him hard truth of himself is only solution here, because otherwise he keeps arguing with the helper like he has done for 3 hours. If it would be up to me I would actually work his sadness with him for free NOW, but before we get to this he needs to understand that attacking Nahm is not the solution and only after that we can get to next thing. And Nahm is obviously not charlatan like @Raptorsin7 says. And his intention to stop Nahm's teaching is something what we shouldn't allow here, period. I can't include all empathy in my messages, because I am busy answering to @Raptorsin7 about all thought mistakes he is doing already. The truth is that I care about him, but how could I ever get to this if he does not believe that which I say is truth. Because he is very argumentative person only way out of this is to show him the bad he is making. I know this, because I am pretty good at argumenting and at conversations and I have faced similar cases and only way out of them was to make another one to realize that he is wrong. Otherwise he would just keep thinking better and better arguments and that woudn't fix that he is thinking illogically.

@Raptorsin7 You should also watch Leo's video of The Power Of Letting Go You should understand that this is not about Nahm, but you. It's you that needs to accept that which happened or/and to talk to Nahm personally. As many people have said they have got lot of good about Nahm and if what he said made harm it most likely made some good. Your intention to stop Nahm from teaching or to tell people to stop listening Nahm is personal attack against Nahm and his brand and that is something which is illegal to do, because if we would ask Nahm he would most likely to say that yeah I am sorry from that which happened and I only want good for everyone and if that which I did made someone hurt then again I am sorry. So that you name Nahm as charlatan is just you trying to feel better when you were hurt. Accept that you are hurt and see that no amount of attacking Nahm will fix you. You are one of the types of people who feel better when the one who hurted you gets punishment, but that's actually very egoistical and unhealthy and actually very vomiting.

@Raptorsin7 You should watch Leo's video of Everyone Acts From Good Intentions Maybe you didn't resonate with Nahm's teachings, but that is not logic to attack teacher imo. There are many teachers and with some you just can't make good progress and that is not your or teachers fault. Nahm didn't purposely want that which happened so ranting about him and calling him charlatan is just projecting your own negative feelings here so please stop that, thanks. @Inliytened1 Thank you, because you see the same thing that I try to point here. My honest opinion is that this conversation is over and there shouldn't be any talking about Nahm without Nahm first coming here to defend himself, because otherwise it is too easy just to rant about someone.

@Tim R I am glad that you stopped this hatred, but as I said Leo does not want any drama here and there is reason that the original Nahm thread was being closed. I agree that the problem is not discussing about what Nahm did or didn't, but preferably I would hear Nahm's own perspective to this, because how could discussion where one is shaking from hatred, fear or something could lead to anywhere good. I mean we can talk about this thing, but conversation that includes too much feelings and has clear potentiality to be escalated should be stopped imo. For example problem in this forum was not the communication of solipsism, but how immaturely people talked about the topic and that was the reason we needed to stop talking about this and I am sure that same will happen with this Nahm case when Leo sees that this is getting out of hands. @Leo Gura himself said as followed: Note: do not attack each other over this. So that is the main reason I started talking about this whole thing. Just to prevent things from escalating and as I said I think NOW everything is discussed so it's time to stop talking about Nahm, because this is not what this forum is for. Let's move on!

@Tim R Thanks for coming here to make sense of the situation, but as you can see @Raptorsin7 is not changing his/her behavior so NOW give him chat restriction that is long enough, because (s)he has been warned here like 30 times already. And (s)he is fighting against your authority and that is another reason to give warning with chat restriction. After that I suggest you to close this whole thread like I would have done as mod already (unfortunately Leo hasn't been intrested in giving mod privilliges to me). This whole thread is just attacking Nahm and actual question has been answered and there is no precise point in this thread. Thank you! -joNi-