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Just wanted to add on to what I wrote above. I just did another meditation session of this and had a different version you could try along with the one above. You'll find that by meditating and doing the "do nothing" technique, you obviously have a monkey mind that thinks about hundreds of things. So by nature, if you are trying to meditate on one specific emotional problem, and your mind keeps going in all kinds of directions, and you keep trying to re-direct to the emotional problem, this again creates some of the problem of "you" doing something to release, and prevents you from going deeper. So what I also tried is this: Do the "do nothing" technique. When the mind goes in other directions, let it go. Accept and allow whatever comes up to go more and more meta. But when you get a chance, do a very slight "re-direction" in the form of a conscious remembering of the emotional problem. And as the mind keeps going in many directions, you keep letting it, just like the regular "do nothing". But from time to time, do the very slight "re-direction" in the form of a conscious remembering of the emotional problem. The more you go meta, and meditate and release on your emotional problem, the more and more of it you release completely from your consciousness, until it completely leaves. (Sedona method reference) So the more you work on that emotional problem, the more it goes away.

@Gianna you're welcome! I hope it helps.

@Leo Gura so does that mean when you become god, you’re not as good at surviving in this world because you just don’t care enough as you would as a human being? Like if someone was sawing my leg off while being god conscious, if its all good and done out of pure love, and I want it and welcome it, then why would I stop it? and if I don’t stop it that would mean I’d be less capable of surviving? Plus I can think of a thousand things that can kill you lol

@Leo Gura Just watched the video .. I don’t even know why I watch these videos lol I keep questioning why I’m so drawn to all this when all this stuff freaks me out, and gives me anxiety lmao overall yeah pretty freaky stuff man ... but don’t you think this video will fall on deaf ears for the most part like myself? like i don’t think I took much away except being freaked out a little and that I should just keep continuing the practices and see where it takes me. Of course my mind is coming up with all kinds of stories about what you said, and I’ll just keep rejecting the stories and do the practices. Though, I want to be more motivated to do the practices but anytime I hear something like this I have to balance it out with some sadhguru teachings lol ... Congrats on your deepest awakening though, I know you have to do what you have to do and live your own life, and really interested to see the future of actualized.org or the death of it lol

Is there any difference at all ... What I mean is .. Like when you get enlightened, and you discover that you are god .. is that the exact same thing as being god after the body decays? Would that then mean there is no use of the body? but more importantly im curious if that means you will live on forever? like being immortal .. and that you get to experience the joys of life forever .. eating ice cream .. going on adventures .. just living life and exploring every area of life forever Im trying to ask a question that I don’t think I’m even asking properly lol ... Say Im living this life right now, and I think to myself damn life is so good .. success in business, friends, girls, etc. I don’t ever want to die. I want to keep living a good life .. and a few decades later I get enlightened. When I am enlightened would I realize that that good life I was thinking about continues forever? Will form and experience that I experience now, go on forever? or after the decay of the body, all form ceases to exist and its just the complete end of me? lol

@Leo Gura Thank you for this technique .. this is probably the quickest thing to a magic pill type experience I can easily access .. anyways I have a small question Most importantly, you mention in your video you can have certain experiences like out of body experiences, and you said “you won’t know what to do” .. so then what do you do during one? how do I know how to act or what to do? 2. If I have say a terrifying experience ever, that destabilizes me, and ironically traumatizes me lol then how do I deal with that and heal that later on? 3. Do you still think after doing this that much that 30 mins = 1 year of meditation?

I was reading Sadhguru’s book, and he is claiming he built a temple called the Dhyanalingla temple, that has an energetic component, a non-physical component to it, that whoever enters it enters into a meditative state. He apparantly put a lot of his own life into the creation of this temple. And regardless of the physical deterations of the temple, the effect on anyone entering it will remain the same. This is a part of Sadhguru’s life purpose. Even himalayan yogi’s, according to Sadhguru, can leave certain fields of consciousness, that if anyone comes near it, they will become a lot more conscious. This seems like really good stuff for strategically incorporating into a life purpose, but I have no idea where to begin to do such work lol. And would that even be possible with something like music or film-making.

@Sahil Pandit This pdf is absolute gold. Thanks a lot. And great, I’ll check it out!

Would it relate at all? After studying how each chakra has a function, Id like to know if shamanic breathing plays a role in purifying these energy centers. Otherwise, in general, I’d like to study more on shamanic breathing (for safety) mostly, but also the possibilities with it and how to do it most effectively, etc. If you guys have any good online or book resources where you learned a lot about shamanic breathing, maybe other testimonials, or scientific studies, or studies relating it to the east, id be glad if you can share those. I see it has a lot of potential after trying it like 6 times.

From what I studied so far on chakras, and experience so far, it seems it definitely opens the 4th (heart, and top chakra) and from other stories, the top most possibly, but was wondering if it gradually works on these chakras, and is the practice focused on a set few or all chakras?

I have been doing this for years now, and although i have a lot of cool out of the ordinary phenomena happen, i feel like I understand reality less. A lot of things make less sense now. When I observe the monkey mind it is often trying to figure out various aspects of reality, and I just observe that, but then I don’t know why I should be observing that. Like who says observing my thoughts is even important? Or like often I don’t know what to pursue, or why I am pursuing what I am pursuing or why I should be doing anything at all? Who do I listen to? Who do I trust? I hope some of this is making sense, but essentially I am just trying to say that things are making less and less sense the more I do this work. Paradoxically, my levels of peace are going more and more up, as I just accept all this, yet I don’t know why I am accepting. Sorry if this all just sounds like monkey mind lmao Im just trying to figure life out (on a non-thought level)

@ivankiss lmao i like how you put that. Can definitely confirm that from personal experience.

@Leo Gura But after honestly asking myself, I don’t want enlightenment right now. What I want is emotional mastery right now. In that case would reading everything, but non-dual theory suffice, in terms of getting back on course?

Part of me is just wondering if that whole post is monkey mind ^ and if I should just shut up and do the work, but then I wonder why even do the work, who says i have to do that (okay to make my life better) but then why try to make my life better? What is sort of the point of it?

I have been meditating for 1 hour a day for 2 years, stopped and have been doing Sadhguru’s hatha yoga and Shambhavi yoga (42 mins total) for 6 months now. My plan for the future is basically stack on more hatha yoga practices from Sadhguru, his shoonya and shakti chalani kriya practice until my yoga routine becomes 2-3 hours/day. This yoga stacking will be over the course of 3 years. Then when my body and mind and prepared enough, Ill add on daily meditation again, once a week shamanic breathing, loving acceptance practice. I am thinking then after I get a few glimpses, Ill be confident enough for more hardcore techniques like Leo’s kriya yoga book and psychedelics. The reason i am waiting for my body and mind to be prepared is because Sadhguru said if you catch a glimpse when you are not ready, you can break.

@Vingger Oh yeah good idea @Salvijus Woah thats freaky, its like you read my mind lol Surya Kriya is precisely the next thing I was going to go for haha. Im glad you say that it promotes mental balance! very motivating.

@lmfao love to hear that! what kind of meditation and yoga techniques have you been doing mostly?

@Leo Gura But we are not only talking about external circumstances like just being filthy rich. A musician living his life purpose would be much happier than a McDonalds worker right? Because the musician would be living his passion, having higher motivations other than money, changing people’s lives. Of course the musician would be the happier one. He would also be the more spiritual one too even. You once said pursuing music is somewhat spiritual. Can’t you naturally be more spititual as you climb maslow’s without even knowing of awakening?

I understand how covering basic survival needs, self-esteem improvement and health can help and all that, but how much does it really help in trying to awaken. If trying to awaken is a massive shift in perception from being a limited self to the whole universe, I don’t get how basic personal development can aid with that transition? Not doubting, just wondering

@Leo Gura But leo, if we take a man who is a millionaire, has financial freedom, is pursuing his passion everyday using his creative faculty, has a relatively deeper relationship with a beautiful girl, friends who genuinely care about him, is on a strict vegan ayurvedic diet, and has a daily 3 hour hatha yoga program from Sadhguru’s programs (meant for peak physical and mental fitness) and compare that to a human who is earning 6 figures at a job, trying to make a business work, and his health is 50% shit, then wouldn’t the first guy be 1000x happier. I mean isn’t the whole point of climbing maslow’s also to be happier as you meet your dificiency needs and get into needs like creativity. I do understand how chasing more and more just gets tiring and makes you less happy though. But pursuing maslow’s only to realize it will only make you less happy -> that I don’t get. I thought life gets more and more better and you become happier as you progress maslow’s as you more onto higher self needs.

@Shiva If you focus on service based businesses, there are many models out there you can try that almost cost nothing if you have a laptop and internet connection.

Here is what this fear is making me do: I am constantly trying to figure out what an enlightenment experience will be like. “would I hold on for dear life” Thinking of ways to develop courage to handle it Thinking of ways to prepare my body and mind to handle it: Already created a plan: Climb maslow’s hierarchy, Complete sadhguru’s hatha and beginner programs, get into Ayurveda, cover my base survival needs, reach higher stages in spiral dynamics. Will all this really prepare me for awakening or an awakening experience? What if I do so much consciousness work that I go crazy, or lose my mind, or cause trauma or be in excessive fear all day. What if I can’t let go of my attachments. What if I want my old life back? —————————————————— This fear isn’t making me really emotional about it or whatever but it is on my mind all the time. Am I being too OCD about it? Is there any way to tackle this? I used to be so excited about spirituality and awakening but constantly hearing that “it could be hard to stomache” “you reach a point of no return” “it is the end of your life” “absolute nothingness” All this is stirring up all kinds of negative emotions like excessive fear, self-esteem, doubting myself, lack of desire for spirituality (and even other desires of life), etc. Part of it is my lack of acceptance of uncertainty of the future. I just really sell myself on the idea that everything is going to be okay in the future, that life gets better, life gets more stable and balanced and happier. But how do I know? I could get killed before any of the good comes? I could be in even more excessive fear? How am I supposed to know? As I am writing all this I see that it is all just my fear speaking. And I am slowly accepting, and practicing acceptance. But what else am I doing wrong? How do I deal with this? How can I make this path more enjoyable and avoid experiences I can’t handle? Is “death” really that bad? How can I stomache this kind of experience when the time comes? I don’t mind even putting in 20 years to prepare myself for enlightenment, but is it the case that I put in 20 years doing everything to prepare my mind, body, and emotions and enlightenment still is scary and hard after those 20 years?

When I first heard of enlightenment, I was so heavily interested doing all sorts of meditation daily, experiencing weird phenomena, having nice experiences, and reading and listening to all sorts of spiritual teachings. Then 8 months back I had a pretty strong traumatic weed trip, where i kept questioning my beliefs and reality, and it just turned into an emotional traumatic shit show that has effected me for the 8 months after until now. After that weed trip, i noticed some ptsd symptoms, my mind heavily trying to figure out reality, believing all sorts of beliefs about how reality is or what it will be like after enlightenment, a ton of fear, etc. This completely turned me off from all sorts of spiritual practices and teachings. But now I can thankfully say 90% of those symptoms are gone, I am a lot more grounded, emotionally stable, etc. I have opened up to wanting to go back into spiritual practices, have been doing Sadhguru’s Shambhavi Mahamudra for 4 months now as well. But Leo’s teachings now still give me anxiety, I don’t feel like pursuing enlightenment anymore and fear I never want to, sometimes I fear there might be spiritual damage of some sort because I perceive reality as meaningless, pointless, a weird illusion, “where am I even located” etc. I just want to heal now, that is my main desire. How can I heal from this? How can i desire enlightenment again? How can I pursue enlightenment in a safe slow manner?

@Shin I understand the core of this work is to dismantle your beliefs. But also considering there is too much fear, lack of stability, etc. isn’t there merit in first handling that before, first becoming a more balanced person and then have your reality fucked with by question your beliefs? I’ve heard of Matt Kahn though, how does his work help? @mandyjw Sweet! thanks

@mandyjw Hmm I did check out a few of Ekhart Tolle’s work, what specifically from his work would be good? Thanks for some direction. I agree about Leo’s approach. It is good for many, not for me, in this time, haha @Salvijus That is my plan for now. I find Sadhguru’s practices very grounding so I will do 3 of his Hatha programs this year, and plan to continue that for a few years until I can prepare my body and mind. I guess despite knowing this, I still have all these fears that life is just going to suck in the future, Ill always be in fear, hopeless about my problems, etc. I guess this re-assurance is nice to hear. Do you think there are other grounding slow processes that make the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual bodies stable like Sadhguru’s yoga? I am considering shamanic breathing, Tai-chi, and Ayurveda of course. Also looking at the emotional mastery books on Leo’s list @Peo It is a 21 min kriya yoga practice designed by Sadhguru known to provide many holistic health benefits to the body, mind, energy, and soul. Check it out, I highly recommend