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This resonated on a very deep level. I think when I say that I am a very emotional being, I don’t mean in an overly emotional, immature way. I mean in a way that I feel things very deeply, including pain of others. Anybody else too?

And yes, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Owen has a bunch of good stuff, and there is no other public speaker like him.

Makes sense, as everything else you said. In this specific point tho, I find the opposite to be more true for me, personally: I don’t really prefer to approach (at least with serious intent) unless the girl is quite attractive, get excited when I find out / seduce her to mutual attraction, then get immensely disappointed when I realize she doesn’t have much beyond her beautiful shell. This happens again and again in clubs. When summer comes, I will approach more during day and hope to find more intelligent women. Gosh, I can’t find myself bothered with beautiful girls who are empty-headed. That is just hella boring to me and feels like a total waste of time. On top of that, I would feel like I’m just using her as a sex object. I almost view it in a way where the shallower a girl is, the more child-like she is and that in a weird way makes me feel like a pedofile. Like I’m taking advantage of a drunk person who cannot even make a conscious, intelligent decision. Intelligent and mature women are hella attractive. But usually these women are more in their 30s+, and has had their looks fade rapidly, which is also a big problem for me.

I do that often even without ever having done psychedelics lol

This is the reason gaming attractive girls is way easier than ugly ones for me. I cant fucking bother. And no, it doesnt generate more attraction, the girl can sense the lack of interest from me.

As someone who had developed deep habits in pickup, I’m really glad I was able to come to this conclusion and integrate it in my later 20s already. Literally such a waste of time, energy and sleep. And the sex is awful mostly. If I’m to do dating, I will mostly only consider daytime scenes seriously. Clubs is just for the laughter and letting loose.

No

I have dated 4 girls seriously in my life, all of them were like this. And there’s plenty of them around. Probably more than less.

Yes. But if you do pickup without chasing status and luxury, for 25 damn years, that cannot be healthy. Pickup for a few years can be healthy, yes.

Been a super busy week for me. I’ll catch up with the thread here at some point. But I came here to say that I think what Dr. K calls deep pain, I call existential pain. I think what it comes down to is that the more conscious you become, the more both ugly and beauty you see eveywhere, for yourself. And you become this conscious from going through immense work and suffering / pain. But also, at the same time, you will see how bad it is for other people, especially when you so much want to have a beautiful, conscious, mature, and healthy world for people — precisely due to your own conscious development. And ultimately, the pain comes from not being able to give it, to pretty much anyone. You just have to accept the fact of the immense suffering people have to go through before they ascend higher. The final crown is the loneliness because nobody can relate with what you are going through. It’s bittersweet. It’s deep. It’s existential pain. But I do admit. This pain gives depth to life. It makes me inspired to create more beautiful art. I believe that once I get more in touch with God, this deep pain will relieve. The more in touch with God, the more it will be relieved. - - - - - Writing this in the middle of a gathering with friends (that’s how busy I have been lol). Forgive me if it isn’t the most coherent text.

@Leo Gura the more I understand self-deception and the world better, the more bullshit I see Owen spouting. And there’s a lot. As you said, a lot of self-created problems. It comes down to: a pick up lifestyle cannot be mature and conscious, no matter how much good stuff he has to teach.

Hmm. I basically never get ragebaited on the internet. A skill I have developed from years of self-development and self-reflection. I basically never watched his stuff other than if he was forced in my face. But lately I have been consuming him more intentionally.

Please open more about this. What exactly do you mean?

Catching up with the blog from the past few days. Its so freaking good. I mean its always hella good but lately its been exceptionally good. ”Your #1 responsibility as a father is to select a sane mother.” I never were able to articulate it that way, but that’s exactly how it is! If I am to have a long future in a close-related relationship with a person, they better be truly sane.

Usually, when discussing why dating is so bad nowadays, we have a tendency as a culture to point the fingers at men. And promote the vibe that females are innocent. But this woman, Kait Willett, brings our brilliantly the other side of the eqution: what issues women bring to the underline problem. I greatly enjoyed how unbiased she was in this assesment, and she explained ideas that I have not heard before and clarified concepts that I have. Well worth it. Let me know if you relate and how this makes sense to you.

@Ramasta9 What country do you live in? That’s crazy, I am sorry for your loss.

Yeah, they are among the top ones. Whatever topic Leo hasn’t made a video about after all these years, it’s because they are that important, and hard to make!

I have requested this ever since I joined the forum which is like 5 years ago. Wait, WHAT! Its been 5 freaking years on this forum. Where the hell did time go. Anyway, I regard that video to probably be the most important human related video to be released.

Oh stop it!

Remember that you can critisize something from above or from below.

Truth itself is the meaning. It is the most meaningful thing, for people serious about Actualized.org work.

That’s why I am intentionally derailing it back

Let’s remember to keep this thread about the podcast.

No.

@LambdaDelta Remember that in this context it was a kid being molested.