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Thank you brother.

I didn’t even want to answer AION’s question about why I’ve gotten so much success because I knew it would get backlash if I started elaborating my strenghts. But he pushed for it, so I had to give it to him. But then some members don’t seem to like raw, truthful answers.

@Natasha Tori Maru I think the main issue is that I just don’t understand what you guys are saying and what exactly is it you are asking? I don’t sense hurtness in me. I sense that we just don’t understand each other. I also can’t encourage you guys to look into your questions and where they arise, otherwise I come across as having spiritual ego. For me, my problems are so simple and clear. Some members seem to understand them. Others see them as me being ”holier than thou”.

@Valach Thank you for your well-thought message. The spiritual ego argument is the one I hear the most in my situation. First of all, I have definitely not transcended dating, otherwise I would not be looking for dating so much. This one is quite obvious in my opinion. Am I in the process of transcending? Perhaps. I think though, that it is unfair that I am not allowed to mention my own growth, strenghts, standards and past experiences and successes without being allured (is this the right word?) to having a spiritual ego. We are doing serious, adult thinking here. Obviously if I met you in some random occasion, I would be speaking of stuff that I need to work on and my shortcomings - as that would be socially intelligent thing to do in a social gathering. If I were to mention that I struggle to find a fitting partner, it would be a short comment, and I would move the conversation back into the group or the other person, unless they really push for me to open up. - - - - - Yesterday I answered more extensively in private to Zenterus. But my answer to these questions have always been very sincere and humble (but it is often ignored of course): I am a human being, with human needs! I have not transcended them. Extrovertness and being highly social is typically not looked as the most spiritual and intelligent trait here in this work and forum - but I humbly own them in me. I admit these parts of me. I have strong extrovertness and human needs. I am build like Barack Obama. I need to be around a lot of people. This is what I am doing with this thread and with this whole process or potentially ”Letting go of dating”. I have been talking directly about this extensively in this thread as well. - - - - - And so that’s the ultimate dilemma. On one hand, my core personality is not really built for deep, hard-core solo spiritual work. On the other hand, there is a part of me that seem to care about it very deeply - if not more than anything else in life.

On one hand they are less tolerant cuz they know themselves better and have stronger boundaries. On the other hand, they know they have wayy less sexual market value. Depends on the individual. The less conscious the person, the more likely they are to put up with poor behaviour.

It is easy to keep doing what has already ”worked” up to this point than to go through the pain of changing oneself to get to the next level. Especially as changing oneself will yield worse results at first. ”What gets you here, won’t get you there” ”Fastest way to 100k, isn’t the fastest way to a million” ”The enemy of great is good” Olaf has struggled with dating for years, has developed a strong hate-love relationship with it, where there’s a lot of bitterness. And now that he finally got some ”results” with the spam approach, he’s overly excited and all in, in it. Also, he is on a massive momentum. Which is good, except when it is going to the wrong direction. Then it is very hard to stop it.

At first, India and Nepa doesn’t sound very appealing but if it’s a condensated area that is more conscious, then it definitely should be beautiful! I should not be so close-minded to close off the whole India as unappraling, as surely there are many beautiful small paradises spread around. There’s extra potential, as they are in their 30s. Makes their potential more believeable. And I’m also in my early 30s that look like in his early-mid 20s so it’s perfect haha. Actually sounds like a great idea to explore. Gotta look for unhealthy conformity and group-think in these places tho. Thank you for the suggestion. As I said earlier to leo, logistics is the biggest issue for me. Being in the right place makes this 100x easier. All this being said, I believe @BlessedLion has a lot of experience in these places? Can you comment? Is it just a bunch of sheep mentality or are there seriously actualized and integrated beings, that are not too old?

Overall, it is impossible to trust a partner who is not relatively self-aware and conscious. And without trust, there is no partnership. This is one of the most important, if not the most important reasons I want a conscious partner.

I have that too. But I have a deeply integrated feminine and emotional side to me.

@AION Thank you for sharing brother. Yes this forum nowadays lack quality posts. Especially on this dating subforum. Bunch of low quality posts and trolling. Even our oldest moderator got demoted for behaving poorly. I’m not sure why as Leo has kicked out most trolls away and barely allows anyone new in. - - - - - Upon deeper reflection, God did give me the perfect to extensively exhaust sex very fast. Not only were the ages 18-25 the easiest for me in dating but also the girls were that age were easily the hottest. I got so much of it, it lost most of its appeal. The downside is that my standard and what I am used to in physical beauty is so high due to my youth. No matter how much I try to lower my standards, I can only do so much. All my 4 ex gfs were stunning. Such beauty. So now at this young age, whose psychological and spiritual development is relatively very high compared to an average person my age, and top that with the physical beauty I am used to.. How can I find such a partner, especially when beautiful and young girls mostly have no incentives to do the work? Letting go of dating seems very appealing at this point. It would free me of so much time and energy + I would get massive growth boost as I would be able to let go of the biases, mindgames and bullshits that is dating normies. I would be able to become noticeably more authentic and honest. I would have way more time and energy for my life purpose. And my growth. And if a unicorn crosses my life, I’m all in with her.

Again, nice words but I think you need to touch grass brother. We are human beings living in a finite life. Other people can cause you massive suffering.

This sounds nice in theory but in reality being in a relationship with a stage red muslim is hell. The more conscious you are, the worse it gets

Being the top street dancer here and taking over clubs, always being in the center of dance floors / and the circles made in them, and having people cheer and clap for me didn’t hurt either. (massive attraction boost). We used to always take over clubs with my dance crew. And as the natural extrovert who is charismatic and the leader, you can imagine.

Contemplate: Why are some of the most conscious and developed people single? Why is Leo single (if he is)? I am not saying I am one of the most conscious by any means but that’s the goal one day.

This thread has given me even more clarity. Thank you.

Good morning! These last 1-2 pages of comments here are some of the most mature I’ve gotten on the topic, if not the most. Thank you. This is what I expect the quality is when I start this conversation. I have to start my day and will get back to you all with more thought but here are some short thoughts to answer everyone: - Yes, I have dated multiple ”normies” and I have also dated one girl who was somewhat more elevated in her thinking. The quality of intimacy, enjoyment and satisfaction was day and night. - At this point I am not really interested inc ”casual dating” anymore where we do normal dating stuff like hold hands and watch a movie together. I am looking for a life partner. Someone to build something healthy and sustainable for life. - This means they need to be quite self-aware. And I don’t necessarily mean in the sense of spirituality and consciousness but: how self-aware are they of their self-deceptions, lies, biases, weaknesses and strenghts? How well do they know themselves? — and how interested are they in working on these? Because if they are to be my life partner with whom we have deep intimacy, explore the journey that is the mind and life together, they need to care. At least to a degree. On top of other stuff as well. As @BlessedLion lion said - she needs to be quite something special. - This journey of self-development and spirituality is the most important thing for me. And having a partner with whom I cannot share at all about it? That’s really a shame. Of couse there are partner who would listen as a love for me, but are they actually sharing my excitement for discovering something new about me and my growth? - Otherwise I could just be alone. And as I said, I’ve done so much normal dating that it doesn’t really satisfy me anymore. I desire DEEP intimacy. - Leo’s emphasis of making growth a hierarchial thing is very practical in my opinion. It helps navigate the world. - - - - - I have to run now but will get back with you all. Thank you so much for contributing. @Lyubov @Joshe @Natasha Tori Maru @oOo and others.

@oOo Thank you for the thoughtful message. I will answer you tomorrow. Good night everyone for now ✨

Oh trust me, I have done a shit ton of contemplation on the subject. It comes down to my natural psychological traits: - A very passionate person. Deep feeler. Loves depth. Loves intimacy. - Yet a very social person. Highly extroverted. This combination leads me to desire a fulfilling relationship where I will get both. Much rather 1 deep relationship, than 100 shallow connections. But how do you have a deep relationship, if there is no intellectual intimacy? Let me add: - I am also a deep thinker. A deep questioner. So naturally if my partner has a lot of limitations in her thinking, I can’t help but feel like the relationship is lacking intellectual intimacy because I have to hold myself back all the time, feel like I am walking on eggshell, and can’t discuss and explore freely — I cannot explore and penetrate her mind nearly as deeply as I desire to.

Thank you for sharing 😊

Since it is a big party, it is a perfect chance to approach the hotties as they are gathered in once place. Don’t spam approach just anyone.

Can we have an in-depth discussion about this? In my personal life, I have been fluctuating between these two. I grew up being programmed for monogamous. But at my peak PUA and hippie phase, I was all for polyamory as it fit my narrative and goals. Then studying Leo from 2020 onwards, I came to realize that polyamory for many is just spiritual by-passing, as it was for me too. Now at this point, I am back to being for monogamy but there are people like Teal that makes strong arguments for polyamory. I would love me a hard core ”die on this mountain” partner to develop a monogamous relationship with, like how Naftali Moses promotes. Yet my experience with girls + the arguments people like Teal makes, makes me contemplate polyamory again too. But obviously this time from a place of maturity, as teal puts it. What do you guys think? What are you more for? What are the pros and cons? What are some less obvious reason for and against?

It’s fine you think that way. But at least bring substance by elaborating why you think so.

Yes, thank you. I need to spend more time around art spaces. But mature art. Lots and lots of ego in art scenes, and especially conformity and group-think.

What an amazing contribution to the conversation by an old member with 1000 posts. I expect better of you. Keep it respectful and civil please.

Kids I am open to, if I find a really high quality partner to raise them with. Marriage I don’t really see a reason other for some legal benefits here in Finland.