Vibroverse

That guy named ChatGPT seems to be a pretty wise fellow.

That's what i was referring to anyways, you've just explained the joke, the gist of what i was trying to say, so duhhhh.

People usually focus on the concept of difference in Deleuze, but they, in my opinion, miss that the concept of repetition was as important for him. The dude was a huge fan of Spinoza, c'mon.

Explanation of explanation of explanation. Of explanation of explanation. Of explanation.

Well, it depends on how you define concepts. Deleuze, for instance, would be closer to the idea that philosophy is some sort of an art than Carnap.

Just because your experience is what you have direct access to does not necessarily mean that then it is the only thing that exists. It might be the only thing that you have direct access to, but why should it necessarily mean that then it must be the only thing that exists? You might say that it is the only thing that i know certainly exists, but again, why do you assume that your knowledge of something is the main criterion for the realness of something? You might have born in a way, for instance, as a blind person, then you would not be experiencing the realness of sight, but that would not mean then there is no such thing as a possibility of sight, if you know what i mean.

Let's see how long will it take for you to start doubting it again.

I think there is some sort of an external reality, but it is mental, or energetic, in nature. Reality being mental in nature does not necessarily mean that we as limited minds are the entire reality. There, for instance, is a magnificent order and intelligence that is underlying reality from which my conscious mind is not responsible, in a sense, if you know what i mean. There is a greater consciousness of which i'm only a part, a wave of the ocean.

Neoplatonism and Hermeticism.

I'm a fan of Abraham and Bashar. Even though i have some doubts and questions about what channeling actually is, and some metaphysical questions, i think channeling might be a real thing. And even if it is not, the information that comes from those beings are definitely pretty profound and coming from a pretty deep understanding of reality, even though i'm not clear about some aspects of it.

Shift to a parallel universe where you are a woman.

Relax into the light more and more, and let the darknesses transform themselves by the increasing light. Think of it like a journey, a process, where the darkness gradually transforms itself into light. That is a process.

Let your thinking be guided by your feeling, by your inner senses, in a sense, and then you may begin to get a glimpse of what leo is talking about. Study mystical philosophies, perhaps, that might help you get a grounded understanding.

I love it, i definitely wanna read the completed version of this.

Yeah, i pretty much agree with that, and it might be a helpful contextualization.

Yeah, definitely a pretty smart and interesting guy from whom we can learn, possibly.

Yeah, if we look at it from a deeper level, i think both biological facts and sociological facts are constructs of the mind, but it is that reality is constructed by emergent levels of thought where, we might say, biological facts are more grounded than sociological facts. We see that different sexes as biological entities are relatively more universal than different genders as sociological entities, that are more particular forms of the underlying idea. There, i think, we can talk about the different intentionalities of consciousness if we would think of it as a teleological process. The mind holds those ideas together within itself as different modes, or different levels, of being where mind recognizes itself, as a result of being an other in relation to self that others itself within itself. And through this neverending otherness, the self explores itself as the difference that builds itself as the process. Mind, through the construct that we call thought, finds itself in the process of analyzing and deconstructing itself, and thought becomes the means, by being the self intuition, thought which mind knows itself in the form of being other than itself. And then thought becomes the process of intuiting itself where that self intuition becomes the ground "onto" which what we might call thinkingness builds itself. Being and thought, in the process of knowing itself as that which is the self knowledge of itself, becomes the understanding of meaning, and meaning, as a self expressing expression, discovers itself as language that becomes its own domain that is expanding "within" itself.

I heard that he was friends with Swedenborg and was pretty open to mystical ideas, but later on he backed away from that possibility thinking that such things are just wishful thinking.

I find Jung to be a pretty deep and awakened thinker also, but maybe i'm projecting my own biases on him, i don't know. I especially find the idea of shadow work pretty helpful, and his metaphysics also seem to align with the metaphysics of mysticism, if we can read into him. But on a deeper account, i don't even know who i am, let alone knowing who Jung is ??

I also see truth and bliss, or love, as one and the same. Everyone mostly explained it through the Vedantic formulation on this thread, and i will try to explain it through a Sufi formulation. Islam, etymologically, comes from the root terms of peace and surrendering, selam and teslim. The idea is surrendering your personal will to the will of God, and it opens itself you up to the truth (enel Haqq as Hallaj said), and with it comes the deep peace. Sufis call God "Love" and "Beloved", and He is the source of being where, the ocean, where the drop discovers that his being is but the dance of the ocean, and that is experienced as ecstacy, fulfillment and love. God wants to know himself, and that's why He emanates from Himself, as a result of an explosion of Love, and becomes the world and the human, as caliphs and manifestations of Love, where the One gets into the experience of time and space, and of realizing Himself. The Truth, or Haqq, is one of the names of God, and in the form of human, He is always in a relationship with Himself, and the more the human manifestation of His surrenders his personal identity, and selfishness, the more the more the name of Haqq and Compassion, or Love to think of that name in another way, opens himself up to Himself. That's why peace, love and truth open themselves up as the experience of the human as the human recollects the knowledge of God being his inner self, with him always. That's what i've been inspired to write for now, maybe we can expand on it, more extensively, later on.

I think you might be going through a process that i also went through, where you are projecting your own discoveries and journey onto those philosophers, where you also figured out the mystical and from there moved to the western philosophical systems where the focus is on more detailed conceptualizations, on models of reality. And i think you are right, in the sense that consciousness has the desire to expand and create, that it wants to put itself into games where there are more stricted rules and limitations, and then it wants to experience the thrill of moving through those obstacles, by creating obstacles first. But i want to caution you against a trap you may fall into which i also have fallen into to some, maybe to some great, extent, where you might get lost in all those conceptual frameworks and forget what it's been all about to begin with, if you know what i mean.

Yeah, i think you are right about this, also. I often feel like western philosophy has turned itself into a conceptual dictatorship instead of looking at the meaning underneath those concepts, and it's like that's where they get lost, mhm. It is like it has turned itself into conceptual objects turning into conceptual objects, ad infinitum, where the underlying meaning has become lost, like missing the obvious.

Yeah, i think you are right. And i sometimes feel like what they work on in specific and detailed ways is actually not any different, mechanically, then what anyone else is working on. It is like it is just that consciousness is opening itself up in those ways and realizing itself, in a sense, in those ways in their experiences, if you know what i mean.

I think it is because when you have a girlfriend, you stop radiating an energy of lack on that subject, and your new energy of "i'm already fulfilled" becomes what you radiate.

I probably wouldn't be this harsh on them, but i think you are right, in some sense. I have also gone through a process where i put them on a pedestal, thinking that they are such profound people. But the more i studied them from a relatively more neutral place, the more i recognized that they are actually not talking about stuff which i myself have not discovered. And i think i still can learn from them, because they might have delved into some subjects more deeply than i have, but the problem is when i put them on some sort of a pedestal and believe that they are somehow superior to me, and that they are more important than my own inner being and inner intuition of being.