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@Leo Gura This is why I've long since learned to get my real education from InfoWars

I dove into this pretty deeply during a recent mushroom trip that was centered around my own integration of Stage Purple. I came to the conclusion that I was unconsciously (and probably consciously) setting impossible standards for my Tribe (my family and friends). When they inevitably failed to meet those standards, I used it as an excuse to withdraw from those relationships. Obviously this might not be the reason for everyone, but being aware of how the expectations you have for relationships are influencing your own behaviour in those relationships can be a good first step. I feel that gratitude for what we do have is important too. Spending some time to consider the positives of our relationships can help motivate us to reach out for support from our Tribe. We are less focused on everything they can't give us, and are more focused on what they can.

Based on my rudimentary understanding from biology classes, your immune response is divided into two classes: innate and adaptive. Innate immune response is the bodies natural response to foreign invaders. Adaptive immune response, or learned immune response, is your bodies response to pathogens it has encountered before. Put simply, it learns specific markers of a pathogen, and in cases of future invasion is better able to tag those pathogens. A vaccine teaches your body to respond faster to the invading pathogen, killing the infection before it has a chance to spread far enough for an illness to occur.

I can't speak to any specifically as I don't watch news really. However, I would say a good strategy is to find high quality sources on both sides of an issue, then balance it based on what you already know or believe. Be wary of the people who only stress a single side all the time. The highest quality sources try to find a synthesis of sides.

Definitely do all steps of the process. And be open to the idea that you aren't being as self-honest as you think you are. I completely removed one of my values after a mushroom trip revealed to me how pathological it really was.

@Nani Hey man if you need advice on porn addiction, feel free to PM me. I've been through the struggle myself and have good strategies for overcoming it. Whether or not free will exists, your behaviour can still change. I highly recommend you read the following books (in order) if you'd like to start taking action on curing the underlying issues feeding your addiction: John Bradshaw - Healing the Shame that Binds You Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now (or really any book on meditation/presence to the moment) Alexandra Katehakis - Erotic Intelligence Richard O'Connor - Rewire Alexandra Katehakis - Sex Addiction as Affect Dysregulation All the best.

Absolutely yes. I had a difficult time in my prepubescent years being ostracized by the children at school and with mental illness difficulties at home. As such, I have a pathological connection to the Tribe, and thus, in Stage Purple. A new psychedelic process of mine is studying each stage in-depth, journalling about how I feel I embody that stage currently, and then doing a trip to plunge deeply into that aspect of myself. Just finished the Purple mushroom trip last week

@Moon @DocWatts He mentions David Foster Wallace in the second book as an early Metamodernist. In line with the idea of the New Sincerity, Hanzi is actually the penname of Daniel Görtz and Emil Friis. They constructed the character of Hanzi, a middle aged hipster who lives in his billionaire friends Swiss Chateau, hiking the Alps and doing acid while he philosophizes about the coming new age of Metamodernism. Definitely plays the role of ironic sincerity. Once you get the character they're playing, you'll appreciate the humour of the book much more.

I think Hanzi Freinacht gives a good explanation for this. He uses different language for the stages, but he separates Spiral Dynamics into two dimensions, Code and Cognitive Development. Code is what we would typically think of as the Spiral, it's the language, beliefs, etc that constitute the worldview. On the other hand, Cognitive Development is taken from Michael L. Commons Model of Hierarchical Complexity, and is essentially about the complexity of ideas that you can tolerate, and how you can combine ideas into higher order systems. For the great thinkers of the past, they would have low vertical development in Code, only operating with a Stage Blue Code. However, they may have very high vertical development in Cognitive Development, playing with ideas at a very high order of complexity. As such, they would have very high horizontal development within Stage Blue. This would mean that they are very highly educated and dealing with Blue ideas that the average Blue thinker wouldn't have the Cognitive Development to understand. They would also be more likely to begin pushing the boundaries of their current Code Stage toward the development of the next Code Stage, in this case, Orange.

edit: I should say that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what an enlightened person would do when I have no experience of enlightenment. I was going to delete this, but thought it would be better to leave it so as to not unnecessarily obfuscate the conversation. Well I think if we define evil as the imposition of one's survival needs over another's, then the answer becomes a little more clear. I'm not enlightened, but what I conceive an enlightened person to be would no longer value their own survival needs over the survival needs of another. In a world of limited resources that means that there could be mass starvation as people don't eat because they don't feel the need to impose their survival over another, thus leaving the limited resources for another. If everyone is enlightened then perhaps everyone will do this...but that raises the issue that if everyone is doing it then the resources never run out. It seems ridiculous to say that everyone will just stop eating though. I think this lends evidence to the possibility that as long as there are limited resources we cannot all be enlightened. People will be motivated to value their own survival over that of others at least insofar as it prevents their physical death, and so obstacles will always be there at least for others. If it is there at least for some then those people may hoard such resources away from those who are enlightened who may be more likely to just give them, which would lead to mass starvation and thus increased difficulty in actually being enlightened. I really have no idea so oh well lol.

@nitramadas It's not the debating that's the issue. By all means, defend yourself. Just read over your messages and look at what you're saying to people. Think about how the way you phrase your responses and how what you specifically say might make people feel. Perhaps you're just meaning to be jokingly edgy for some laughs, but in absence of your actual tone of voice and facial expression it comes across as overly hostile and challenging.

@nitramadas Honestly man, just reading your comments you sound like an asshole. I don't mean that to be hostile or mean, but you're doing a really good job of ridiculing anyone who disagrees with you. Why do you feel the need to put someone down just because they disagree with you, have less understanding than you, or are less intelligent than you? Whether those things are true or not, you still seem to have a very strong need to make someone feel lesser. I think it's something you need to dive into. All the best.

I think with a forum like this, intellectual posturing and, "I'm so much more developed," types can make the conversation a little worse for wear. There is an incentive to be viewed as more developed, and with a lot of enlightenment topics people start discussing theory when they just don't have the direct experience to back it up. For example, I can't really argue about Leo's brand of panentheistic idealism because I haven't confirmed it in my own direct experience. I honestly just cannot say one way or the other, but there are a lot of people who will argue such things endlessly despite having never actually confirmed it themselves. That doesn't lead to a meaningful conversation on the matter.

Approval among voters or among representatives? Further attacks by the people may actually push more representatives against Trump, which can only be a good thing. Although..."Democrats cucked the Republican Party," has a certain MAGA ring to it.

I'll do it just for this tbh.

Well I think the further we get from the Inauguration, and the less Trump is constantly reinforcing distrust in the media, there may be a path to depolarization. Emotions are going to die down and people are going to be exposed to a higher standard of political behaviour, especially in light of the many Republican representatives coming to side against Trump. People are obviously very easily swayed by the current atmosphere and so maybe people will begin de-escalating the narrative. I think the actions of the more radicalized Right during and after the Inauguration will really dictate how the narrative develops. With more attacks, emotions may stay too high for too long to allow for anything like what I just described.

@Husseinisdoingfine Remember that many of these people are bought into the narrative that the Democratic Elite are pedophiles who harvest adrenaline from children in order to make a "magic potion" called adrenochrome. If you believed to your very bones that such a thing was happening, and that those same people had stolen the election and broken the American democracy, would you be willing to carry out an attack? Especially in light of the censoring of Trump and the purging of many members of the Right from social media? Part of me does want something to happen, but I don't that it's so off base to think something will.

Do you have a sudden, intense urge to buy Microsoft products? Good for you though. I say that as someone who is pro-vaccine, but setting that aside, choosing to act in a way that goes against your ideology is difficult to do so I applaud you for it.

"You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo."

@DocWatts Yes exactly! Hanzi uses that as part of the definition. I should add that the book puts forward a more refined version of Spiral Dynamics. He removes turquoise however because he feels that there just isn't enough development in Metamodernism to really say what would come next. It's too speculative at this point. I'm agnostic at this point in my education, but I do think anyone talking about Choral or the higher stages of Integral Theory are mentally masturbating.

I agree with @Rilles, it's about stepping outside of our spheres of beliefs and seeing them from the outside rather than being so deeply within them that they are all we believe exists.

I don't know if they've been posted in this thread yet, but the books, "The Listening Society," and, "Nordic Ideology," by Hanzi Freinacht are specifically Stage Yellow. They outline Metamodernism, a Stage Yellow philosophy, politics, psychology, etc.

You're getting stuck on a certain level of complexity. I can't speak for @Leo Gura, but I would think he's making the case that he approaches politics from a Both/And approach. It's a Stage Yellow or Metamodernist viewpoint. It's not "Either Left Or Right," it's, "Both Left And Right." To do so is to attempt to create a metasystem that transcends and includes the two systems we typically think of as Left and Right, which are merely labels denoting a certain category of behaviours, policies, etc that we've typically thought of as in opposition to one another. To say that they are diametrically opposed to one another is to operate at a Systematic level of cognitive development, whereas the Both/And approach is at the Metasystematic level. This is taken from Michael L. Commons, "Model of Hierarchical Complexity." I highly recommend you read, "The Listening Society," by Hanzi Freinacht. It's a great introduction for what I'm talking about here.

I've been doing passage meditation for a couple weeks now, and did a 2g mushroom trip last week which may have influenced today's meditation. Today while I was reciting my passage (the best, like water from the Tao Te Ching) I started doing something a little bit different. In the book Eknath Easwaran tells you to recite the words quite slowly as in, "the...best...like...water." Before today I had usually stated them at a reasonable pace or attack, but with a pause in between each word. Today I started saying the words themselves slowly and without a pause in between each word. As such it became, "theeeeebeeeessttliiiiikewaaaater." I noticed almost immediately this sense of being full and bright like warm water was enveloping my consciousness. It felt as if I was plunging deeper into my mind, like the literal sensation of descending into a warm lake, going deeper and deeper into its embrace. I also found that I was far better able to actually focus on the words themselves rather than having other thoughts come up to drown out the internal volume of my recitations. I've been on/off meditating for the past few years, but in the past 5 months I've become much more consistent. This is probably the first experience I've had like this and it was absolutely amazing. Who would have thought a consistent practice could deliver.

Really good point. Love yourself, even the parts you've been conditioned to hate. Live that authentically.