Water by the River

That is on the right path, because to BE the Pure Impersonal Infinite all of these ideas/concepts have to be transcended/seen as moving within IT/Oneself. Then, Reality = God, God = Reality. Reality/God/Infinite manifests/imagines, or just contains a manifested side in it in a nondual way. One understands IT by BEING it. And removing the clouds/lenses/filters of the separate self/I-thoughts/feeling interpreting Awakenings. There is nothing else, nor could be. Only Ones True Nature/Being. Forever. That is the difference between Enlightenment and Awakening, or the Deep Identity Shift after which the separate-self-arisings (I-thoughts, I -feelings, conceptual "Understandings") are seen fully and truly as moving WITHIN the Infinite Reality that one truly is. Afterwards, this Infinite True Being is accessible in daily life sobre. The Illusion-clouds are seen through very fast if one just "re"-intuits the Infinite beyond experience/manifestation/arising. All of these facet-Understandings of God/Reality/Elephant can be generated after Enlightenment easily. Just a view Koans more, if its not already clear with Enlightenment. It is just what one is. But the Deep Identity Shift of truly "getting/realizing" the Impersonal Infinite Always Here Reality, ones True Nature, makes IT accessible afterwards in daily life sobre. That is the difference. The Elephant is realized UNFILTERED/uncoloured, unfiltered by remaining ego-filters/lenses. Pure uncoloured/unfiltered Impersonal Awareness realizes itself and Reality in a truly nondual way. Not just merging/unity with it and later separating again into something separate, but truly becoming it. Not oil mixed with water and shaken and later separated, but ice molten in water. Ice = Illusion-clouds of being separate/ego, Being= ice molten in the water, only water again. Turning the oil into ice and melting it is the process of transcending and letting the illusion-separate-self/ego die/transcend it. Seeing them (fast enough) as objects moving within onself and cutting it off, just to see what happens. If that succeeds, the visual field turns nondual, boundless/limitless (nothing can be apart from it), eternal (always here), and the Deep Identity Shifts from ego to Infinite Totality beyond all experience by BEING it. Enlightenment in other words. Becoming the elephant in Enlightenment, and telling about BEING the elephant, or touching the elephant in Awakenings while not truly becoming It (but Unity/Merging with it) and telling about its trunk/feet/ears as facets of Awakening. For sure then it appears there are always higher Awakenings with higher/more consciousness. I can fully understand how that perspective looks like, and before the big shift there will be no deviating from that. Either the deep identity shift happens, and the separate-self lense/filter/cloud can be fully seen through sobre, or not. Chasing/Grasping the facets/Awakenings prevents dropping/letting-go into the truly impersonal pure Infinite Consciousness/Being. What doesn't happen necessarily/normally in becoming the Elephant/Enlightenment is visiting some far out Astral/Subtle/Alien realms, or detailed mechanisms of manifestation. But that is manifestation/form-stuff, not the Infinite Absolute. But contained by it. Fascinating, fun and even important for sure. What humanity will do until the rest of eternity (more or less). But not as important as truly realizing and being ones True Being, just because the grasping never ends this way. I also liked the posts of Osaid. That is all how it really is and works. Water by the River

Yup, and that is why an integral lifestyle without spiritual-bypassing and taking care of all relative levels usually delivers a nice dream. Balancing Absolute and Relative. LOVE for the lower levels of manifestation, and not hating & escaping them, but differentiating from them and integrating them. The alternative is a nightmare. Also a dream, but good luck transcending an ego that screams in pain and suffering on various levels of exchange of Maslows little pyramid while trying to find its way into 7th ascended spiritual heaven away from this nasty earth and its two-legged ignoran fools. While not really noticing it is only moving within IT-self. And here is where Reality is really LOVE: IT loves doing that too. But it is also a bit like: Nietzsche: God is dead. God: Nietzsche is dead. Btw., for the aficionados/critics/marketers: That little story above is not so much Buddhism, it is more Ken Wilber & company. Just to make sure that the right -ISM gets shot.

Yes. One can be of real value/service to those receiving the contribution/service, and they show the appreciation for that and one receives it. That works even in high-stake-business-environments. Admittingly, it needs some experience & professionalism & luck to pull that off, and a large degree of humour to be able to cope with the madness of the lovely capitalistic system of ours....

Sure That 11th picture is as old as humankind from the Job Opening below:

Hallelujah. Indeed. Beautiful post. And then the 10th ox picture. Return to the market place with open hands.

Exactly. That is true freedom. And nondual Unity. And coming home. Resting AS the Ocean, BEING It. Not just being a big and high wave that considers/feels itself nondual and sees and understands many of the other waves/manifestation. But truly being the Ocean and trying to stabilize that 24/7 as much as possible. And then, if one is so inclined, one can go wave-watching, wave-understanding, wave-surfing, helping wave-self-discovery, .... Whatever one is inclined to do.

Shhhh. You are spoiling the fun Spirit is having with the God-Self. But now: Good Night!

I have to admit that I like your humor. Just to rattle some orthodoxy. Really. Like structure-wise. I have the same iconoclastic spirit. On the actual content we have ended at different perspectives of course. Now we just need the monkey for training, then I could retire and focus on my hobbies… If we find a promising specimen I would volunteer for a part of the training. Matter of honour. Good Night from old Europe Ladies & Gentlemen

Death and Resurrection. Gateless Gate. Nothing lost but an illusion. Which meant the world before, but was only contraction in essence. And then…

You are getting close to a ban.

Beautiful post. Awe or vertigo when faced with Infinity is something truly wonderful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awe

Guess you got the not today darling

Not at all. I asked for balanced and skillfull means. Balancing Absolute and relative, and maintaining health on a relative level. Just see how it will all develop. For me the next things that are going to happen are pretty clear now.

Well, that would be your interpretation of what I wrote. If I remember correctly I wrote something different, and with quite some more nuances. If you allow me I am not engaging with who exactly here has a big ego and who is denying that, since that would probably end in a less than harmonic way and without much benefit. I genereally prefer a debate on the topic, and not ad-hominem attacks without any specific arguments/examples. And when it comes to the topic, I will not speak of True Nature in an untruthful way just because apparently you don't really resonate with what I write. Feel free to criticize, I am not gaslit by that. And if you do that with reasons/specific arguments and not ad-hominem, even more appreciated, and probably you will also feel better doing it that way. Water by the River

Thanks. For me personally it would be enough if you also just "play the game" of being humble. It is clear that this work doesn't try to fix people's psychosis. Yes. But maybe you can monitor a bit of the effect your work has, and see if and how negative impact on the sanity on the students of your work can be minimized, with stuff like balancing relative and absolute aspects and so on. I do see a lot of blown up Ego = God posters, proclaiming all day long on this forum a form of conceptual Solipsism without the Awakenings into Pure Nondual Infinite Consciousness that are necessary to really truthfully approach that terrain . I can only imagine how that harms their relative life/jobs/education/friends/familiy/relationships.

No. That cat is out of the bag forever. But one can communicate Absolute Truth in ways which make people approach it in such a way that their life on a relative level keeps functioning and loving (Freuds definition of mental sanity btw. . Mental sanity = Able to work and love). And one can communicate it in such a way that the lower levels of being dont get harmed (that basically all essential needs of Maslow stages 1-5 are not neglected or disliked, but integrated). That is called skillfull means in Buddhism for example. And when one writes one started hating humanity on the path up the mountain (which he did), why should it be assumed that his students don't develop the same symptoms? And starting hating the lower levels of ones own being is a symptom. An allergy. And that can be avoided with skillfull means.

I agree that I adressed a very direct criticism towards you Leo in the other thread with Katie. Because that really hurt my heart. Skillful means of teaching, meeting each child (also) of Your Being, Leo, where it is at, in a balanced way integrating Absolute and relative. I know you have warning disclaimers on your videos. Yet, that will not protect some people, for example those vulnerable by Psychosis. They need in my opinion a healthy grounded approach to the Absolute, including relative means like balancing healthy relative (life) and Absolute,love, compassion, Boddhichitta and so on. And for the learning: i learn a lot here. Maybe just not exactly what you would like me to learn. And your Truth can maybe stand on its own when faced with different perspectices. I also don't call other opinions gaslighting me.

Since I am missing a bit the arguments from your side in the post above, so it is a bit challenging to reply in a meaningful way. Maybe I can say that I don't fully know what a fundamentalist non-dualist is in your definition of the term, but considering that Reality is nondual in essence there are probably worse things one can be called.

And just to not overstep the line: With what specifically in this thread?

On question 1: On a relative level yes. Although souls are a relative appearance in the Absolute, they are nevertheless as real as any other appearance. See the two books of Jürgen Ziewe on these topics. He experienced all of that in OBE first hand. He has a book on a valid Full Enlightenment process (ten minute moment). I would have spotted if that were fake. That, and his general being in his youtube videos make him trustworthy in my opinion. Question 2: I read parts of it. And I am knocking quite constantly on Gods door to reveal himself. The Totality of Being/Reality/God can be adressed in 2nd person. And how could this Totality not respond to you? After having had the experiences you had with Psychosis, that is a very truthful way to approach God/Reality/Divinity. I only criticize that path if its used to blow up ones ego with messianic grandiosity, which is not the case with you. Have you read the Course in Miracles? I didnt read it fully, but the excerpts I have seen looked beautiful. Its a Christian inspired version of the Philosophia Perennis, quite compatible with a 2nd person communication to God, but also compatible to a nondual relationship to the Divine.

There are different No-Self Awakenings in Buddhism, with more or less subtle duality left. Often the early unripe ones muddled with subtle identity are confused for True Full No-Self, which is fully nondual. Infinite. God. Absolute. At that level all is an imagined dream, God fooling itself... Comparing smaller no Self Awakenings with what Leo calls God Realization is comparing Apples with Oranges. He confirmed the Supreme Source quotes I posted as God realization. And Full Enlightenment is having that accessible in daily life without psychedelics. And without the remnants of separate self lenses colouring and denying the full stable realization while sobre. Pure impersonal infinite nondual consciouness. Being. Reality itself, a Realization not misfigured by separte self remains. Remains that make IT not quite Pure Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Reality/Being

. I just love your posts. Full Enlightenment IS realizing the always here Truth, or ones own true infinite Being. What ones True Self and that of Reality IS. That (Full Enlightenment) happens in an awakened state, in which every form/arising/i-feeling/i-thought and every appearance of the "outer" world is directly and literally realized as mere appearance, happening in the Infinite Pure Impersonal boundless Being that Reality/You truly is. Which is the always here Reality. So not a state but Absolute Reality/God/True Nature. Afterwards its accessible and always right here, since the illusion filters have all been transcended, and "hard" boundless timeless and very empty nondual states ("or awakened states) have replaced the previous normal life with my center here/outer world/others there (duality), and the world appearing solid/external "out there". Replaced with groundless mere appearance ("clear light" in Dzogchen) arising in nondual way in infinite nondual being. And some quite amazing celestial/divine perception on how all of that if manifested from Pure Silent Infinite Consciouness to subtle realities (Awakenings/facets n+1) to gross material world and so on can develop afterwards. But for that, others are way more progressed than I am. See Harri Aalto for example. But all of that is form/manifestation. Not the essence of Absolute Reality/true You, but appearance arising in it, as IT.

Funny. Suddenly, Awakenings n+1 sound like more insights into the various facets/angles of the frog/God/Absolute Reality. And God Realization sound like Full Enlightenment. With Full Enlightenment having the benefit of sobre and permanent deep identity transformation, and its resulting access to the bliss of Absolute Reality. For divine/celestial perception after Enlightenement (or, understanding more of the relative facets of the frog), see for example Harri Aalto, David Buckland, David Spangler, and many others. In all Traditions.