Christoph Werner

@NewKidOnTheBlock Trusting the “mainstream” or perceived authorities simply because they are mainstream is not epistemologically safer — it is actually one of the most common ways people get it wrong throughout history. If you had lived in Germany in the mid-1930s and oriented yourself toward the “middle” or the dominant narrative of society, you would very likely have become a Nazi — because that was the mainstream position at the time. The majority, including most intellectuals and institutions, supported or at least tolerated the regime. History shows again and again that the societal “middle” or the official narrative has frequently been deeply wrong on critical issues: slavery, colonialism, women’s rights, eugenics, the Iraq War based on lies, and many others. The majority position is often shaped by power, convenience, and social pressure — not by truth. That is exactly why keeping your own epistemic sovereignty (your own ability to think and evaluate independently) is so important. Outsourcing your judgment to the mainstream or to authorities because “they must know better” is a form of intellectual surrender. The question is not whether some conspiracy theories are crazy. The question is whether we are willing to examine uncomfortable structural realities without automatically dismissing them with a label.

@MrTruf Well it must be clear to you, that he will continue to double down, your screaming and emotionally charged messages wont change that. Someone who is heavily invested in the identity of being “rational, sophisticated, and above conspiracy thinking” — especially someone who positions himself as a deeply awakened spiritual teacher — will very likely double down rather than admit he fell for a simple but effective psychological manipulation trick. Why this happens: - Ego investment is extremely high. His entire public persona rests on being “the guy who sees through bullshit.” Admitting that he uncritically accepted the mainstream “conspiracy theory” dismissal would mean acknowledging a major blind spot in his own thinking. That’s painful. - Status protection kicks in hard. For someone who has built a large following based on intellectual and spiritual authority, publicly changing his mind on this topic risks looking inconsistent or “fallible” in front of his audience. - Cognitive dissonance avoidance It’s much easier psychologically to double down (“Of course it’s just normal capitalism, stop with the conspiracy nonsense”) than to say: “I missed this. The label ‘conspiracy theory’ was used to shut down legitimate structural analysis, and I fell for it.” This is a very common pattern among intelligent, high-status people. The smarter and more publicly “awakened” someone is, the harder it often becomes for them to admit they got manipulated by a relatively basic rhetorical tool.

@MrTruf dude. dont contaminate this thread. Leo is not your enemy.

Leo you kindly shared with us in the past, that you used to tend to be very arrogant. And yes for good reasons, I have yet to find someone who can match your metaphysical insightful work. But as I am sure you know, this arrogance creates blind spots. What i am trying to tell you is, here you have a big blind spot. so lets not argue about any conspiracy, let's look at the underlying dynamics. Controlling how people think = Controlling reality This is not new. Power structures have always tried to shape what is “thinkable” and what is “unthinkable.” - The Church did it for centuries with heresy laws and the Inquisition. - Monarchies did it with “divine right.” - Modern states and intelligence agencies do it with labels like “conspiracy theory.” How “Conspiracy Theory” works as a weapon: 1. Stigmatization The term is used to put legitimate questions and crazy fantasies into the *same box*. Once something is labeled “conspiracy theory,” most people (especially those who want to appear intelligent and socially accepted) automatically dismiss it without examination. 2. Poisoning the well Intelligence agencies (CIA and others) have historically done exactly that: They sometimes *plant obviously ridiculous theories* next to real uncomfortable questions. This contaminates the whole field. Result: Fair critics get lumped together with flat-earthers and lizard people believers → easy dismissal. 3. Social pressure Most people are highly sensitive to social status and group acceptance. They instinctively avoid topics that could make them look “crazy” or “low-status.” So they gladly accept the official narrative, even when it has clear holes. Why intelligent people fall for it so easily Because it offers them a comfortable psychological deal: - They get to feel smart and superior (“I don’t believe in conspiracy theories”). - They avoid the uncomfortable existential threat of realizing that power structures are deliberately rigged. - They stay safely inside the Overton Window. This is exactly why the label is so effective. It doesn’t need to be true — it just needs to trigger social fear and status anxiety. Bottom line: “conspiracy theory” is often a "manufactured thought-stopping device". It’s a sophisticated form of narrative control that protects the system by making structural criticism socially costly. The real question intelligent people should ask themselves is not “Is this a conspiracy theory?” but rather: “Is this claim true or false — and what is the actual evidence?” The Comfort of the Pre-made Category The label “conspiracy theory” is an extremely effective cognitive shortcut. It allows smart people to dismiss an entire domain of inquiry without doing the hard, time-consuming work of independent analysis. for example 9-11. Was it Bin Laden, or was it an inside job? You dont know - you were not there. now it's clear that the answer matters a lot, especially if you live in the US. It's not clear wether you can even find a certain answer. But for such an important question it's really irresponsible to outsource your analysis. now here comes a juicy offer, just put every critic in the same box, valid or invalid, and instead of engaging in serious analysis, just call them stupid, feel superior and never look back, bravo. Very appealing to arrogant people.

And who exactly gets to decide what is labeled a “conspiracy theory”? If the mainstream media calls something a conspiracy, does that automatically make it false? That seems like a very convenient way to shut down structural analysis. For example, claiming a steel skyscraper collapsed in perfect free fall from office fires just doesnt align with basic physics — it's selling people something absurd. Basic structural mechanics make that impossible. So who is really pushing the conspiracy here?

Leo, I never called it a conspiracy. I’m simply describing what I see: Our monetary and economic system was deliberately designed to function as a wealth extraction machinery. Money is created as debt that must be repaid with interest, which creates a built-in, permanent growth imperative. I’m not saying one person, one group, or one family controls everything. What I am saying is that powerful bankers and politicians intentionally engineered the core rules of the system (see Jekyll Island 1910 and the Federal Reserve Act 1913) in a way that systematically moves wealth upward, rewards crises, and favors cold, strategic, power-oriented personalities at the top. That’s not a conspiracy theory. That’s historical fact and structural mechanics. Who defines what is a conspiracy and what isn't? If the media calls Something a conspiracy, does that mean i can just dismiss it because it's obviously wrong? I dont get it, why make this distinction?

The monetary system we have today wasn’t an accident of nature. It was deliberately designed by powerful bankers and politicians (Jekyll Island 1910, Federal Reserve Act 1913). This design creates a built-in, permanent growth imperative. Without constant expansion, the system collapses under its own debt load. Doesn’t that make it more than just “capitalism naturally concentrating wealth”? Isn’t it a structurally rigged wealth extraction machine that was intentionally engineered to do exactly that — move wealth upward, reward crises, and select for cold, power-addicted personalities at the top? Where do you draw the line between “this is just how capitalism works” and “this system was deliberately built to function as an extraction mechanism”?

https://actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-485 "It is like I was blind my whole life but now I see" So you finally stopped being naive? This was one thing i didnt understand about you, you can explain the mechanics of corruption so well (the social matrix, mankind the bulshitting animal, self deception 1,2,3, understanding survival...) but you still got tricked. It's so easy to see corruption, why only now you see it? for me i look at someone, i listen to them 10 seconds and i can tell if they are full of it or not. or to which degree. it's like sensing corruption directly, no need to even explain. the explanation is in the structure of the energy. energy doesnt lie. People who dont have this sense look ridiculous to me, they fall for so much, they are manipulated so easily. So Leo, you hold us to high standards, you tell us to be open minded, but in certain topics, you kill the whole conversation by screaming conspiracy theorist. Is that how to have grown up talk? Maybe you can shine your newly dicovered sense on the covid pandemic? you have some time? I mean you told your forum to go get vaxxed everything else is insane. pretty big claims , no? People deeply underestimate the level of corruption that is possible. There are networks of people that see the world like a board of chess, they sacrifized their humanity for their power accumulation addiction. they organize in groups, they are very intelligent and committed. they designed our economic system to be their wealth extraction machinery. The **Wealth Extraction Machinery** is a debt-based system in which nearly all money is created as loans. When a person, company, or government takes a loan, new money is created out of nothing by the bank. However, this money must be paid back with interest. This creates a permanent structural requirement: the economy must grow every year just to cover the interest payments. Without constant growth, the system eventually collapses. This mechanism turns the entire economy into a sophisticated extraction machine. Wealth flows systematically upward because: - The people and institutions closest to the source of money creation (major banks, central banks, large financial players) benefit first from every new round of debt. - New money floods the system and inflates the price of assets (stocks, real estate, infrastructure). Those who already own these assets get richer faster, while wages for normal people lag behind. - Crises accelerate this transfer. During recessions, wars, or shocks, ordinary people and smaller businesses are forced to sell assets cheaply or go bankrupt. The top players, with access to cheap credit, buy those assets at discounted prices. When the economy recovers, the assets rise in value again — creating another massive upward wealth transfer. This is why crises are fueled, prolonged and even orchestrated. Destruction creates new demand, new debt, and new opportunities for extraction. The system strongly selects for a specific type of person at the top: individuals who can sacrifice empathy and humanity without guilt, who view suffering as collateral damage. These people naturally form tight networks and dynasties (such as the Rothschilds and Warburgs historically), intermarry strategically, and maintain close ties to banks and intelligence agencies — the real centers of control. In short: The machinery doesn’t just allow wealth to concentrate at the top — it is structurally designed to do exactly that. It rewards cold, calculating, long-term strategic thinking and punishes empathy and short-term morality. Crises, wars, and instability are not bugs. They are built-in features that keep the extraction process running. That’s why the whole construct feels so ruthless and self-perpetuating. It wasn’t an accident — it was engineered that way, and it continues to reward exactly the kind of people who can maintain it. They can put a dementia patient as president and people still dont get it, they can put a delusional narcisistic chronological liar as president and people still dont get it. they can make people believe a skyscraper can collapse in free fall from a fire. It's really quite absurd.

"Conspiracy Theorists" So anyone who engages in considering conspiracies? "Always" and "only" this sure makes it sound Like to me. there is Not even one conspiracy Theorist who is rational, responsible or reasonable.

"Conspiracy Theorists", "always", "only" So all of them are the same? Are you telling us there is no rational, responsible way of considering conspiracies? For me if you someone doesnt consider conspiracies, they often become very naive. They start to think the doctor is interested in their health. They start to think USA IS going to war for Democracy and anti terror... They think they live in a Democracy and voting is important. They think if there is Something important to know, everyone would know about it.

"What kind of person is drawn to conspiracy theories?" Why is that a question that you find is important? All kinds of people are drawn to conspiracy theories. A lot of fools off course. But even more fools dont take conspiracy theories seriously. The wanting to put conspiracy theories and people who are drawn to it into a box just shows someone who is invested in certain beliefs and who easily needs to explain away alternative theories. And Leo is certainly guilty of that. Imagine you voluntarily play lab rat for a company that had to pay the biggest pharma fine in US history, a company that is well known for it's corruption. Just because you got triggered by fear and group pressure, the most obvious way of psychological manipulation. And then you even go to your blog to promote your sheepish behaviour... lmao

Why is Leo so anti conspiracy theories? A lot of conspiracy theorists are fools and psychologically under-developped. Many people, including Leo use this obvious fact, to avoid conspirational thinking. People's survival is outsourced to society, this creates a conflict of interest and it creates group think. People cant stomach and imagine how corrupt and sick some people and even more people in power are. And Leo seriously underestimated how deep the corruption goes. He also fell victim to obvious group think and the very common pattern of fear mongering and he even promoted that in his blog. here the post: https://actualized.org/insights/got-my-covid-vaccine Got My Covid Vaccine By Leo Gura - May 26, 2021 After some delay due to my gut health problems, I got my first dose of the Pfizer Covid vaccine yesterday at my local Walgreens. The whole process took 15 minutes. The shot itself took 1 minute. The other 14 minutes was just waiting for the staff. There was no line. The shot was completely painless. 24 hours later I feel no different than normal. I have a little soreness in my arm where I got the shot. No mark or scar. The needle they use is so tiny you don’t even feel it go in. Overall, it’s so easy. Go get your vaccine today. Don’t let people fearmonger to you with conspiracy theories and fake news. Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus. Neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccines contain heavy metals like old fashioned vaccines do, eliminating even that minor risk factor. My Mom and brother both got both doses of the Moderna vaccine and they had no significant side-effects. The vaccine is also FREE! If you’re in the USA, you can schedule a free appointment via the Walgreens website. Or your favorite pharmacy center. Don’t doubt, don’t delay, go get vaccinated today! And be thankful that such a painless, healthy, and effective vaccine exists at all. The fearmongering and lack of gratitude has gotten way out of hand. Yet another example of the madness of crowds. "Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus." completely baseless truth claim. Classic propaganda narrative he fell victim to. I think he's still in denial even today. Pfizer never tested if the vaccine stops transmission. there is no proof whatsoever that the odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. A lot of people here on this forum fell victim to this propaganda. Just goes to show you how impactful the fear trigger is. Otherwise intelligent people all of a sudden cant think anymore if you just trigger their fear response and group pressure. If someone who didnt yet process what happened during the "pandemic" is interested, a ex leading toxicologist Helmut Sterz from pfizer released a book "The Vaccine Mafia: How Illegal Toxic Substances Were Sold as Covid-19 Medicine.” so far i think its only available in german. In the USA you have the epstein files, here in germany we have the RKI Files. It was the leading "scientific" institute here that basically all politicians and media based their covid narratives about. the rki files clearly reveal it was a purely political narrative passed down to the RKI and they had to justfy it. I lost a lot of respect for Leo in this time. Wouldnt get into my head why someone so intelligent would play lab rat for a company (pfizer) that paid the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. Department of Justice history at the time and then even promote this behaviour on his blog. more info if you want to investigate the "pandemic" deeper: Here is a short, fact-based summary of the COVID-19 narrative, based on open data, court records, financial reports and comparative studies – without media or politician storytelling. ### Key Facts & Patterns 1. **Massive wealth transfer to billionaires** - Oxfam / Forbes: Between March 2020 and late 2021, the wealth of the 10 richest people grew by ~$1.5 trillion. - Jeff Bezos +$75 bn, Elon Musk +$121 bn, Bill Gates +$33 bn (despite donations). - BlackRock & Co. saw record inflows into ETFs and tech stocks in 2020–2021. → Lockdowns → Amazon, Zoom, Pfizer, Moderna, tech giants explode → classic crisis transfer upward. 2. **Who profited directly?** - **Pharma**: Pfizer + Moderna revenue 2021/2022 each ~$100 bn (almost only vaccine). - **Bill Gates**: Largest private donor to WHO (~10–12% of budget via Gates Foundation). Major stake in BioNTech (via foundation), vaccine investments, GAVI. - **Event 201** (Oct 2019): Johns Hopkins, WEF, Gates Foundation simulate exactly a coronavirus pandemic – 6 weeks before Wuhan. No proof of planning, but perfect timing + large overlap of actors. 3. **Coordinated international response** - WHO pandemic declaration (11 March 2020) → almost all Western countries switch to lockdown, mask mandates, school closures within 1–2 weeks. - Lockstep scenario (Rockefeller Foundation 2010) describes exactly this pattern (pandemic → authoritarian control). - EU Commission centrally negotiates vaccine contracts (von der Leyen–Pfizer deal) – 1.8 bn doses, partly via SMS negotiations (EU court 2024: von der Leyen does not have to release SMS). 4. **Sweden without lockdown** - No lockdown, no mask mandate in schools, open restaurants/bars. - Excess mortality 2020–2022 comparable or lower than in many lockdown countries (ONS, Eurostat, Folkhälsomyndigheten data). - Economic contraction 2020 only –2.2% (Germany –4.6%, Italy –9%). → Shows that harsh measures had no clear advantage. 5. **Vaccine effectiveness & narrative shift** - Original claim (Dec 2020–mid 2021): “95% efficacy, stops transmission”. - Later (2021–2023): “Reduces severe courses, transmission not significantly reduced”. - Israel data (2021): Vaccinated infect and transmit almost the same (CDC study July 2021). - RKI protocols (2024 leak): Internal note Nov 2021: “Pandemic of the unvaccinated is epidemiologically not correct” – yet massively pushed publicly. 6. **Fear-mongering & propaganda** - Daily incidence ticker, death counts without context, children in masks, ventilator alarmism. - Campaigns like “#allesdichtmachen” → “Vaccinate to protect grandma”. - Censorship on platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) for dissenting views (Great Barrington Declaration, vaccine side effects). 7. **Absurd measures** - Plexiglas screens (no evidence of effectiveness), outdoor masks, outdoor curfews, 2G/2G+, school closures (Cochrane 2023: no effect on transmission), one-way aisles in supermarkets. ### Good sources for someone who still believes “everything was done properly” - **Primary sources** (best, because independent of media): - RKI protocols (full 2024 leak on rki-transparenzbericht.de or Multipolar) – internal doubts vs. public narrative. - EU court rulings on von der Leyen SMS (2024–2025). - Sweden data: Folkhälsomyndigheten (official Swedish agency), Eurostat excess mortality. - Cochrane Reviews (2023): Lockdowns & masks – no clear effects. - CDC/Israel data on vaccine transmission (July 2021). - Oxfam / UBS Billionaires Report 2021–2023 (wealth growth). - Event 201 video & participant list (Johns Hopkins website, archived). - **More neutral analyses**: - Great Barrington Declaration (original text + signatories). - Brownstone Institute (collection of primary data analyses). - Official financial reports from Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech (SEC filings). In short: The narrative was **primarily politically and economically driven, with science used as a secondary justification**. The profiteers were clearly in pharma, tech and financial elites. Sweden shows alternatives existed – and these alternatives were systematically ignored / defamed.

The big majority of covid deaths were either very sick people or very old people. That's why USA for example had a lot of deaths because the average health of americans is terrible and US has already lots of health crisies. To healthy people the virus is non threatening. I had it, was quite sick for one day and then completely healthy again the next day. I am not anti vax. Whoever feels to take the covid vax from the pharma businesses that they came up with in one year, sure go ahead. But don't go on a moral high ground and look down upon those who chose not to. which is it now? You see when we talk about covid the truth is just that really nobody has any idea. Rationally speaking it's an incredibly complicated topic. When you think the vaccine is safe, that's a belief. When you make all these judgements on which data are they based? How do you know your sources are reliable? You're just parroting expert opinions that you gathered up. How do you know which expert is right? Life is your imagination. So why the need of a vaccine for safety? Just imagine you are safe and you will be. Now this is obviously advanced stuff. Not for the Population. But we are on the actualized forum, no?

The vaccine doesnt stop the spread. They never even tested that. The vaccines have more to do with business than health. Neither the pharmaceutical companies nor the government care the slightest about your health. Most countries have a multitude of far worse health crisies than covid, but close to nothing is being done. Only when there is big opportunity for monetization and policies that give governments more control they start to "care" about your health.

agreed