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Everything posted by Natasha Tori Maru
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It is highly humorous isn't it? You are trying to reach something that is a concept, it isn't real - perfection. But you really really believe it. All of society is telling you it is real. It only exists as a social construct. When you sit and look at a sunrise and have an experience. Direct. Eyes sensing colour, nose smelling the salt of the sea, ears hearing the gulls. That is where the truth is. Just you, being. You aren't inserting in any weird narrative about the sunrise 'If it were JUST to the left, it would look better, more perfect!' That's an example of you inserting your survival based agenda - the self - into the experience. And you do this all over the place! Its what you are taught from the age you become self aware. Even meditating, stopping thought... You do it to try to reach enlightenment, awakening... THATS ALSO AN IDEA THAT ISN'T REAL. Until you EXPERIENCE it - then it is TRUTH. Direct experience. The more you engage in this process the more is revealed. Things are revealed you won't expect. You bring wonder and awe back to your experience of Maya. It's key to realise to have this true direct experience you need to be OUT in the WORLD. Doing shit. Experiencing. Work. Play. Walk. Listen. Do those chores. Wash the dishes. Sink into the mundane because there is more to get out of that experience that you have blocked out. This leads to actualization. Authenticity. And hey - I know all about truth in the material domain. I work in construction. Brutal. You do anything untruthful and the building collapses and kills people. You execute. It's an experience and it becomes so easy once your self is moved out of the way. No hesitation to give hard facts - your self isn't there to care if you upset anyone. No worry about shit going wrong with a plan, that is a concept and not real... until it is. THEN it comes into truth and you deal with it. And you don't panic, because there isn't a stupid narrative about 'how did I fuck up?' There is just - truth, and fixing. Doing. Action. Sorry for the rant, I am trying to express how consciousness work assists in your career, in my career, in reality. It will help you execute in a way you didn't think was possible. Some of this might sound obvious to some, but it needs to be said. Because the social domain and survival is a literal cataract over your direct experience of events, things...
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Adding in that a lot of the pain you think you feel is the fear of it itself. The internal friction - that is a narrative you generate as part of the self. Fear is always at the centre You will begin to reveal you are mixing in a lot of pain with suffering. 2 different things
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To my understanding pain and suffering are 2 different things. If you have actively been practicing spirituality and self enquiry, you reveal that any narrative or story you have is a layer between your experience of a defined thing or event, and what is really truly happening. That layer is the lense of obscurity you are trying to lift to reveal the truth. Lift off the self of obscurity. The self that is full of stories about the past, the self that dwells in the future and removes you from the experience of right now (the only thing that exists). Notice you can't have a physical experience of the past or future. Only a mental one. Past future are not part of direct experience. Are not truth. Feelings - pain - are real. Nerves stimulates to generate pain. Emotions are something self generated. Suffering is something you generate as part of your narrative of self. You endure it. Notice you can point to pain..can you point to suffering? Where? Point to the suffering. Most emotions are generated through the beliefs, stories and narratives of the 'self' which you are aiming to move aside to find what you TRULY are. Notice animals don't have these narratives. Have you seen a 3 legged dog? There is one at my regular dog park. They don't give a fuck. They don't even register that a leg is missing. But it's a serious disability. They run around not bothered in the slightest. Notice there is no narrative going on to generate the negativity, generate the suffering. The spiritual process is about realising the beliefs you have, the stories, the narratives. Ideas. Thoughts. THEY generate these types of emotions. And you are really doing them. Trust me. Thoughts don't just come. They aren't inherent to experience. You can experience and 'be' without thoughts. You are doing the thoughts that generate the narrative causing suffering. So it is self generated. You meditate. You contemplate. You practice. Move the body. All so you can realise you are thinking. And your aim is to stop. Kill the chatter. In this space is experience, unfettered. The lense is removed. Consciousness is raised, and the truth of your nature is revealed. Removing the self 'no self' isn't negative. It's not about being out of the body. It's about removing your story, removing YOUR crap. So you see the truth. Because I guarantee you are getting in your own way. Notice when you lie in life, why? When you don't tell the truth? It's because you want something. You, the self, want something and don't tell the truth to achieve that. You are doing this allllll over the place in reality. You could be telling yourself that rock you passed in the street is a rock. That's a concept. But maybe it's actually a crystal! But your narrative told you otherwise. When you see the truth of the rock, consciousness is raised. Indeed Ralston does teach a lot of this. I hope this made sense for suffering. I haven't had a coffee yet so brain is still booting up 🙃 Leo might be able to break it down better. If you haven't read 'The Book of Not Knowing' by Ralston I seriously recommend it Meditation numbs physical pain. I have experienced this. You could say women suffer pain their monthly cleansing. This is when I meditate most as a stronger method than painkillers
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You can endure the pain/suffering of the discipline, when you are pursuing your personal meaning. Finding that meaning is it. Once you unlock it, the pursuit becomes the pleasure.
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@Carl-Richard Do you know what the doctors used in the procedure? I always just pour hydrogen peroxide in & wait THE SATISFYING SIZZLE
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Conspirituality - Those who engage in spiritual process that is false, conning themselves as to what spirituality is. Survival Cataracts - Those who have layers of belief/concepts/ideas about the world, obscuring them from the truth of themselves. Spiritual Chemotherapy - The real spirituality. The big dog spirituality. Mental breakdown levels of mind reconfiguration.
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@Leo Gura Fucking. DISGUSTING. Goddam Leo People juice
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... what is IN that cup to create such a visceral reaction from the cat As an aside @Rafael Thundercat I did watch the link... ngl I couldn't help but laugh when Aubrey said 'he had done a bit of work around the issue' and that maybe 'he thinks there is a little more to go, maybe' (paraphrasing) The ego is cemented in place, fully entrenched with rebar and footing for reinforcement.
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@Leo Gura It's fucken' true though - Aubrey wants his little spiritual PES-dispenser of women
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I noticed that... Let us say -the conscious- reaction video Leo could have just slapped that label on it for excessive views I will say - that whole situation was a great case study to illustrate false spirituality. They want spiritual ice-cream, not the true spiritual chemotherapy !
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to UnbornTao's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Anton Rogachevski Not confirmed, but I think that part of the website is broken atm -
@Sucuk Ekmek I see a shoreline, receding to a vanishing point. Waves meeting the land, as the sunset illuminates two craggy outcrops as they meet the sea. I do not know if this is the subject - if it is, you captured it well! The colours of the sunset replicating on the rocks are exactly how light behaves. If it is not the subject - it doesn't matter, as it brings forth concepts of beauty, regardless
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Finished, enjoyed. Back to the heart of the matter. Real spirituality. Not knowing. Throw away concepts/ideas. Verify ones personal truth. Realise how your beliefs interfere with your ability to truly be present, grounded in experience. Reveal God. The experience and presence of God is always here, we just aren't seeing it due to survival and the need for certainty. It's quite ironic that people are screaming for certainty (certainty here being a subjective form of truth) in survival based life - and so seek spirituality to inform this certainty. But truly engaging with the spiritual process is dislodging this certainty - the self - and removing ego. Doing the exact opposite of what they seek. A great destabilising destruction of the self only to be reset. I think this is the part of the process most are not prepared for... I personally feel this is not to be confused with depersonalisation. Being OF the body/within the body is fundamental to being able to interact in a relative way to the distinctions of reality. That feedback is important. Through the spiritual process in the end, you become more resolved, sink in to Maya - because the certainty of Truth is the ultimate salve. Raising the consciousness to encapsulate more than the self.
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@Carl-Richard I think you will enjoy this one Carl! Survival - the selfs attempt to drive to certainty. Alleviate fear. Certainty is the aim. Spirituality is acting in friction to this survival self - diving into uncertainty. Dislodging all those concepts and ideas we form in an attempt to gain certainty. Becoming uncertain again. Getting the self out of the way - like lifting the 'self' cataract off the iris so we can directly experience reality and truth. This goes into how real spirituality can be destabilising, terrifying and scary. Like a rewind to the uncertainty of infancy. I haven't finished the ep yet.
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@Florian Hmmmm yes yes which is why I added the 'not sure' as I do not know what is best for others 🙏 I just know for myself I take health and maintaining homeostasis - and increasing the overall energy of the balanced state, as no1. At it's core it is energy balance. Constantly going out and back in balance. Neverending process. Nonstop process. Until death hahahaha ! Live healthy, well... Hopefully die fast
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to UnbornTao's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Would you you find the statement 'experience is omnipresent' to summarise this nicely? -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to UnbornTao's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I am with you and I LIKE it Maybe just, consciousness -
Health is about the body maintaining a state of homeostasis - so it is really about energy balance. I am not sure if making it no1 priority is working in balance
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Carl-Richard's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What is this interaction meditation practice? I have not come across it. Maybe I know if it under another name.... Contemplation/self enquiry is needed to integrate the experience of elevated consciousness/awakening/enlightenment if you want to be able to use the experience to raise your baseline consciousness while in the waking reality. Without it, it is just an experience had. Like taking a bunch of psychedelics, tripping your balls off and then coming back to reality. Most people would look at that as 'oh yeah weird experience' and take nothing away from it. You have to realise what you are doing that facilitated the experience - or more precisely - what you are suddenly not doing. In waking life, you are constantly getting in your way. Your thoughts do this. Contemplation and self-enquiry aims to reveal what you are doing and the effects it has on your consciousness. How your ego - your self, prevents you from being conscious. The contemplation assists with the fish finally realising it is in the water, after the experience of jumping above the waves. -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Okay so you define planes in some strange way. That's the same existence just energy/frequency levels and consciousness. You are defining words in english in ways others don't. You define yourself by your thoughts, which means there is egoic attachment. I don't want to argue with ego, and this is going no where. Gonna tap out because there's no point when you have arbitrary word meaning. Also I don't know where you got angry etc from, this is just pissing in cyberspace. Concept battles in bits and bytes on the internet. Honestly if you think it makes me angry - you haven't lived in reality enough. I'm just taking a position and pointing out flaws in thinking - I don't even necessarily agree with what I'm saying, just attempting to raise awareness. -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Past and future - can you touch them? Can you smell them? Can you see them? Can you feel them? Right now? No? They aren't real. Human concepts. You're going to have to do a lot better if you want to convince me. You are trying to tell me you are experiencing something it is impossible to experience as a human because it is a concept and idea. Bunch of thought. Suffering? Human made. Point to suffering in your body. Show me. Pain yes, I can punch you in the face. I'm sure your face will hurt. Suffering where? Point. It's the friction of your thoughts. You are doing suffering. Remove thought, issue dissolves. 'Another plain of existence' I can't verify that. How did you verify it? Its a concept. Again another thing not real. You are clinging to logical explanation rather than falling back on real tangible experience - truth. Don't try to get out of this by dangling carrots 'you will intuit something there' as if I am missing something, when nothing you have said is verified as being true. You are perceiving something in labour of survival and it's is like a cataract over your eyes, obscuring your vision of the truth. You are so full of concepts, ideas, thoughts, descriptions, beliefs - these are all stopping you from realizing truth. -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You are being. Human BEING. Experience. Just because you can enter a state of non-thinking doesn't mean you are separate from reality. You can stop walking because you know you are walking. If you don't know you are walking - how can you stop? Can a fish recognize it is in water??? The cat has survival & consciousness. A lower level to that of a human. It does not limit itself as a human does to this 'self' with perceptions that create a future/past and stories that induce suffering - that doesn't exist in reality. The body feels pain. By 'no-self' I don't mean NO BODY. I mean the construct of the self is made up. You are just experience. And you don't need thought to experience. -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This sounds like you haven't done the work to integrate and have misunderstood as a result. When all thought stops, there is no self. Being emerges as the experience where all is unified. Either you are using english words in ways that aren't universally agreed upon, or you haven't experienced this without a substance assisting you. And no integration to facilitate understanding as a result. No, thoughts aren't happening. Thoughts aren't the substance of experience. Thoughts are something you are DOING. You are DOING the thoughts. They aren't some magical thing that happens. If you haven't realized you are actually doing the thoughts, how can you stop something you don't even realize you are doing?!? Yet above you state you were not thinking. But you haven't identified you are doing it. You see how that's unconscious? The exact opposite direction you want to go? -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Breakingthewall Barrier of what? If you were in total mental silence, you would have an experience where your ''self'' was absent. In that moment past and present cannot exist. What does after the 5 minutes, when you start thinking again, have anything to do with the period of thought cessation? Is this the barrier? I just don't see what your example is trying to say in reply to @James123 All I have as my truth is - you cannot reach enlightenment while any thought is occurring. If thought is occurring, you are experiencing anything but the NOW. You are conceptualizing. Which immediately puts you in the future or the past. Which don't exist. Not in your experience, not in anyone's. Thinking robs you of direct experience -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Just pointing out you state you were in absolute mental silence but alert & then thinking all these things. Thinking 11AM. Even thinking about the future 'in half an hour' - which doesn't exist and isn't in your direct experience. You were conceptualizing the whole time. That isn't mental silence.
