Natasha Tori Maru

Yes, definitely. Also, if we are attempting to interpret emotions as being true, or a tool/compass to truth... well there you go with human deception that you rap on about. Do we really think most people aren't so hopelessly self-deceived they can ascertain a true emotion? A higher order emotion that might point them to God? Lol. Fuck no. They would have no idea of the validity of it. It is easy to see why meditation, rigorous thought, psychedelics and inner clarity would have great use on the path to God & Truth. I know life isn't like a vending machine where you put good in and good comes out - but this is legit actually so bad. You have my compassion - and also - my respect. For not ending up a pilled, bitter motherfucker.

Well I can see how that is true in that example. But I don't think it is always the case that it is feelings VS truth. (BTW I do hope that isn't true, what a savage act)

@RendHeaven I think we are beginning to touch on how higher order emotions come into play with relation to God. Love etc....

Yes, exactly. This, for me, is where it gets murky. This is why I cannot come to the conclusion feelings ARE truth. It doesn't work. Someone getting so anxious over a social situation that they are having a panic attack? That feeling isn't true. There is an irrationality to our feelings that cannot be removed from this whole topic. This is where I feel emotional discernment in general, is so vital. If you can locate a TRUE emotion, if you can pull yourself apart and accurately realize that... Power. Power in knowing yourself. I think we are here to dig at the truth within, and emotions can assist here, as well as thought. This whole topic makes my brain turn inside out.

There is a functional truth to feeling & emotion (ie it has survival purposes). The masculine & feminine see truth and value it in different domains. If you are about to be shanked by some dickhead, fear is going to fucking motivate you. Fear is serving survival. Survival is truth. I see a lot of interplay between feelings & truth. I don't see feeling vs truth.

Apologies for the late reply @Carl-Richard - I wanted to do this answer the justice it deserves by thoroughly deconstructing my deconstruction process.. so to speak So, I work in commercial construction, so it is easiest for me to supply you all with a concept to illustrate the process (sorry to the concrete [LOL] thinkers). Imagine, if you will, a set of plans to build a 2 story building. When you go to the site to check out what latent conditions are present (your ego) it looks good. There is a little slab of concrete there ready to act as a footing, or stability structure, for your building. The soil looks pristine on the surface. So, you go in and begin building (your thoughts). You level the existing concrete and decide this will be the slab. You get the steel in, calculate loads and order the members needed to bear the weight of the building. You start building the walls with studs and tracks. Next, plaster. You are very proud and invested in what you have created here. You identify with your creation (thoughts). You progress through the build. It's going well, then suddenly, you run into 2 massive issues - you didn't check the soil. Or footing. The weight of the upper structure is too heavy for the base. It's going to topple. You also didn't core into the base you found to rough in pipes for the toilet and plumbing - SHIT. FUCK. Now you have to fucking rip the structure down. You need a geoengineer to test the soil. You need to rip up the concrete (your ego) so you can pour a new slab with a footing that can support what you are going to build on top. What a waste of time. Lucky that this building is just conceptual as otherwise this could be a $100,000 error. Back to deconstructive meditation: Your ego is at the core - that's the foundation of the build. The soil quality, the slab. There are hidden beliefs/assumptions there - just like there are latent conditions in the soil of our build. You absolutely need to know these conditions to be able to build the structure (your thoughts). Do you really want to found your understanding of consciousness on these potential landmines within you? It will topple at some point - and your entire understanding of reality will explode in your face (midlife crisis). As you further enter into the deconstruction process, you realize just how much you identify with your thoughts. So, the primary technique I employ is 'I am not XXX'. Realize just how much you identify with your thoughts and reasoning. These are the structure of your building. You have so much pride and ego in the building. Look at it! That shit is beautiful, the cladding! The door hardware! But as you deconstruct this, you realize you cannot even be sure your thoughts are your own! How do you know that is YOUR thought? You think it is yours because your ego identifies with it. Just look at half the people on this forum - they all post and when their thoughts are challenged, their ego is fucking TRIGGERED. They think they are their thoughts. They think thought is fundamental. This is an assumption. I digress... Following this deconstruction process 'I am not...' you eventually reach a state of empty. And once you reach that state, you make way for something else to come in. Something you can NEVER perceive with all the human bullshit that stands in your way. This is your own unique experience to reveal. This is the truth you are trying to get at within you. But you cannot ever reach this space if you are building some shit on top of a rotten base all the time. Constructing is a different tool. It can be useful. But meditation is for deconstructing.

Think about it - the types of questions you ask reveal yourself. They are your tell, or indicator, of your level of intellectual understanding of God consciousness. Which begs the question - if you know the answer from the experience, wouldn't the question be more pertinent? It is like pondering why Leo returns again and again to 'What is Truth?' Why do you think he keeps returning to this question?

Why The Masculine Values Truth More Really great & balanced deconstruction of truth, its functionality, and then reintegration into a framework as it relates to both the masculine and feminine. Agree completely I like this take as the frame is so powerful, it can be used to expand upon and walks you through the mechanisms at play. What we do for survival, why we do what we do, what we value, and how it links back to the truth. Good mixture of concrete and conceptual examples - everyone thinks and takes in information very differently, so I think this type of prose is really sharp and well crafted. The topic is a bit of a minefield so I think you navigated it with a lot of skill. The notes at the end - I see how you immediately heard the counter arguments and bias Came in armed, swinging a 36inch chain, pre-empting the 'BUT LEO'

Playing devils advocate Do you think it's because you are asking this exact question regarding your partner? If you are God conscious... You would know the question

It reveals more about the OP than anything else, that's for sure

Goddamn gotta control the location of the skeet skeet in that case 🤣🤣🤣

Definitely for myself it works that way. I can't really speak for men, so I concede this point to you for sure. What I think about the man, how I view and respect him, completely alter how I see him physically. It's emotional yes, but for myself it's much more about intellectual verility. I just think physical appearance is fleeting so I place less value on it. Also why I prefer to steer in lanes of aptitude and capability as measures of value (in myself and others)

Yes yes, we are in agreement. Concrete truths that makeup frameworks for understanding are easier to apply in other realms. Emotions, feelings - much harder to pin down. Less concrete. Interpreting them is much more conceptual, so building a framework to understand is difficult when there arent as many clear facts to whittle down to. Each gender (masculine/feminine) has their own 'truthiness' lane.

It's always limited perspective that gets in the way !

This is a good point - but don't you think your view of the person and how attractive they are change as you fall for them? I know that happens with me. Most of my ex's are not objectively attractive. But I think you mean purely objectively speaking, maybe Sadia has that emotional lean that all women (Cough cough myself included). But I agree that there are certain thresholds for minimum attractiveness

You said it. Agree I can tell you half that game is knowing your man. Having a strong emotional connection. And during sex, being in such a pure state of absolute being you are no longer a person. Nothing defines you but the experience of floating in sensation. No hangups. No worries. Only the language of touch as your being is lost and the walls of yourself are broken down. A smart woman will be able to read and understand that emotional connection and translate it into a physical act. It's not about a position, or liking certain things - as you say. That mentally ill sex is all about treating the experience like it's the end of the world and all you have left is the moment with this person. You drown in their eyes, swim in their smell. And crawl into that nook in the man's armpit after 😜 Yeah books ay, I was raised weird. Sex was so baked in. Certain rooms of the house were off limits as kids. It was made clear sex is part of life and we knew about our parents needs. I mean I was told not to put a man's cock in a jar under the sink, metaphorically speaking. Also sex education was from the men to girls, as well as women. Really helps with perspective regarding genders.

This is a WOOSH for a lot of women. I had a radical upbringing regarding openness and sex. It was baked in that I should get good at sex. I was given books on the topic when young, and taught this was a man's love language. You have to communicate love to the person in their language. These teachings were from men and women in my life, which really emphasised boundaries and balance

I feel the same about Leo's statement. I'm chopping veggies for dinner last night having my brain turned inside out by it.

Slammed with the cinderblock. Men attend to truth very seriously as application is (generally) the ultimate priority. I would say you are an anomaly in that you persue it for its own sake. Intrinsic feedback loop. But do you think there could be some more to say about the realms of truth each gender enjoys to swim in? IE a woman may pay attention to emotional truth as a function of communal survival. The truth of their children's emotions, their health (a truth many men ignore) etc. I say this acknowledging that the truth of emotion and it's functions are somewhat less concrete and harder to quantify.

Yes but it's crucial to be able to bring coherence to the enhanced energy. You need to learn to control, to use, to experience & understand these energies you are touching. Otherwise you won't find the truth of it. And you need to find the basic constituents of it to integrate it into your being. Keep doing that and enhance your level of consciousness and knowledge 😊

What am I reading. Eyes bleeding while I relax, drinking morning coffee. People don't care about truth. Keep your gender wars out of it. Most men, especially younger, have such a charged up sexual cock energy. This gets in the way of your truth just as much as a woman's emotions get in the way of hers. Just because you as a man can handle the truth better than a woman, doesn't mean it's more important to men. Men just absorb it and take it on with efficiency and (you would hope) grace. Courage under pressure.

Yeah, good tapestry of words running to form a progression of images in that rap

Hmm indeed I agree. Thank you for the insight. Most especially because I have experienced a very, very different perspective on life. And no matter how much I attempt to cerebralize it, or empathise, there are assumptions I make based on my experience I have trouble escaping. I hope to always help others with my altered perspective. Dissecting gender, sexuality is a big one for me. More vivisection required. Let just hope I'm still human by the end

Agree to disagree - but I have no idea how you took this away from it. She had a lot of shit to say most women wouldn't want to hear. Already expressed my opinion regarding Orion.

"The harsh realities of Mating" Listened to the whole thing. I mean - what to say? There was so much covered in that interview. Is it controversial to agree with it? Because it doesn't appear to me to be controversial. It's just what it is. Sadia knows men. They really got down to the core of typical sexual and mating dynamics between men & women. She was like a fucken gatling gun firing off. Really great link - cheers for that