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@WaveInTheOcean Please read my post properly before making it personal. @Peter Miklis Because in modern days that is the shit society pushes down your throat. What i was saying is for this shit to be debunked. I was stuck in the frame look for years, it fucking sucks. Many many guys i know were too. It would be okay if it was the actual truth but it is not reality.

@Emerald Ironically you women reward guys that see you as a conquest and trophy instead of seeing you as human beings. The most successful guys with girls are far from treating them with respect, they just see them as an ego validation trophy.

@Leo Gura It was more food for thought than anything else. I do not expect these things to actually be done in our lifetimes. However i do expect more awareness when it comes to what actually attracts men and females. The amount of disagreements you got on your "what women like in men" video showed how unconscious females are on what attracts them. I love stage green society but 1 thing which i do not like is how to completely destroys all polarities and treats female and male brains to be identical. I cannot even talk about stuff on "the way of the superior man" to most females i know because they will dismiss it as sexist stuff, "we are all the same, genders do not matter". Stage green is great and i prefer it over orange any day of the week, however this small technicality should be somewhat addressed. I do not think it is very unrealistic for males and females to know what they actually are attracted to. The rest i said like making RSD stuff "socially acceptable" wish washy wishful thinking which will not happen in god knows how long if ever.

@Leo Gura Now i understand how you feel like when people make ridiculous straw men out of the things you say that have nothing to do with what you actually meant or had in mind (rational wiki etc). Thank you for putting me on your shoes and feeling what you probably feel often when people completely misunderstand what you say.

Guys the point is not to give people free sex as freebies. That already happens through prostitution, you can pay some money and get sex. The point is teaching people how to become better with the opposite sex.

I am sure less incels out there would improve the agenda of women too. You can be social without being a pua selfish devil you know. I am sure you became a better man after learning about attraction and practicing and stuff. How do you know we are not talking to girls? Just because a thread is made about this issue does not mean no action is being taken. That is like saying because you make a thread about the inequality of the wealth distribution of capitalism it means you are a broke person that does not work. Not necessarily. I explained on thread that i am taking action and writing here what i noticed while taking action. It is like starting to work on a corporation and writing about how unequal the salaries of the different positions are, you writing this does not mean you are not working and trying to improve your position. I never ever said you get freebies without talking to girls. If you do not talk to girls you get no girls, period. I was talking about education not girl communism. I love how topics regarding politics and economy are all fair and good but when a topic regarding dating is brought up everyone automatically assumes that you cannot get girls and are looking for excuses. I do not see people comment on "economy and capitalism" topics that "you cannot get money and are looking for excuses". Seems a bit double standard to me.

Both tbh but no need for high quality relationships. This is a function of having it or not, not having it with a "high quality person". You cannot talk about eating chef level food when you are starving, plain bread makes you happy at that level of hunger. Same logic here.

@Preety_India Unfortunately most women are not as self-aware as you are. You cannot use members on this forum as the example of the typical person out there.

@Preety_India You are talking about it from Indian pov, i am talking about the western world. In the western world the biggest issue guys face is being too nice and treating girls like princesses. They treat you too well with the agenda of sleeping with you. The scale has went from too ruthless to too nice. The sweet spot is in the middle. Then why virgin rates have risen from 6-7% of adults to over 25% in just 10 years. Clearly technology has made socializing face to face less common. It is a side effect of it, a price we have to pay for all the benefits it gives us. Men should be taught what actually attracts women, not what women think they are attracted to. Everytime this topic is brought up a swarm of females debate on this issue and it goes no where. How about people become aware of what they actually like instead of sugar coating it to suit their ego? This goes for both sexes. The issue is that this misleads guys and makes them think that being nice and caring is what will get you girls. It will not and the most common thing that happens is a nice guy that learns through sheer experience to be a little more of a ruthless person. Leo went through it and many others did. Maybe teach guys what works from the start. Hollywood romance creates big issues and misinformation on this topic, leaving guys confused and unable to know how to hunt. Yes i am, i am trying to balance it as much as possible but my biases make it impossible to do that.

Online dating has transactions that reward you paying for it. It is simply a business, it does not care about people actually meeting and creating relationships. By regulation of online dating i mean remove all paying options so everyone gets an equal playing field. Either make it with a subscription for everyone or make it free with ads to give revenue. The firms that own the sites make billions, the paying options are pure stage orange greed, not business necessities for survival.

How are you feeling with your gut? Did the carnivore diet have any long last effects in the end?

Online dating has transactions that reward you paying for it. It is simply a business, it does not care about people actually meeting and creating relationships. By regulation of online dating i mean remove all paying options so everyone gets an equal playing field. Either make it with a subscription for everyone or make it free with ads to give revenue. The firms that own the sites make billions, the paying options are pure stage orange greed, not business necessities for survival.

@Roy Using a condom removes all the things you mentioned. I meant the outcome is very unequal. Being a billionaire can also make you depressed and create issues in your life.

@Preety_India You make amazing points however i did not say to regulate it in terms of girl's communism. I never ever support the idea of getting free stuff without putting work for it. I do not support free money because you are lazy to work. I meant structure education and society in a way that men are raised in a proper way. More emphasis on learning about attraction, human to human interaction and do not demonize the idea that talking to a girl you do not know is bad. Why you think 99.9% of guys are horrified to approach? Because of the way they have been conditioned by society that they are losers, desperate, weird etc if they talk to a stranger. Basically create mechanisms to make men more desirable to women, then women choose them by their own free will. By more desirable i do not mean to make them into asshole players, just a bit more grounded and social. Leo's videos on "What women like in men" and "Why women fall for assholes" should be required viewing. The fact that such honest videos piss off so many people is an issue.

@Leo Gura What can be done is for society not to demonize cold approach so much. It is hard for people to do it when 99% of society labels you a creepy weirdo for doing it. Imagine if learning new skills to get better job was demonized, how stupid would that be. I am not confusing being creepy and harassing with cold approach. Also online dating should either be banned or heavily regulated. There people that pay get advantages which is messed up. Personally i would vote to remove it completely but if kept at least to be made equal for everyone. Ads should be enough, no need to charge on top with boosts and shit like that. Greedy devils those firms are. Lastly, yes education is out there however we are not talking about special cases. We are talking about the average person. People that have some wisdom and are into self improvement are not the majority, those people are rarely angry incels. There are also plenty of free material on how to learn valuable skills and still people are stuck without jobs or do not know how to safe/invest. Plus unfortunately most of the advice out there regarding this stuff is either very pro make (red pill) or some PUA manipulative shit that will turn you into a ruthless fucking machine. Very few channels i found to be effective yet conscious and ethical. A society full of PUA devils is not much better than one full of angry incels tbh. So even if you decide to research this stuff on your own it will be very hard to find good healthy sources. Education and removal of stigma for learning this stuff would be the best solution imo. If society can make it seem normal to be obese "fat acceptance movement" then i doubt it will be very hard to make it seem normal for guys to learn this stuff.

@Lynnel 1. Sex is a human need. 2. Leo has called it a "sexual market" where people "exchange value". Not my words here. stop mentally masturbation to crazy social equality theories that would give you free money, go out and work. No need for unemployment benefits or for social security. Work and you have money for it. See how flawed the logic is. I am not talking about pussy communism here. I am talking about mainstream mechanics that would help guys get better with girls. Education should teach guys better regarding gender and sexuality. Also stop demonizing pick up. This is what the state can do, not give people free pussy out of thin air. I never said that. Just like when you leave the education system you have a basis level of mathematical and language skill, you should have a basis on socialization skills and how both genders think and operate. If online dating was heavily regulated especially regarding paid services or even better, banned all together. This alone would do big changes.

Teaching men how to be better at attracting girls, teaching this stuff in school and making men less wimps and more masculine (healthy masculinity). Also not demonizing the concept of pick up (as long as it is done consciously). Then when it comes to online dating which is very popular these days, there you can easily regulate it. These days thanks to SJW you cannot even tell girls that attraction between men and females is assymetrical. They will call you sexist and dismiss anything you say. Try showing Leo's attraction videos to modern western females, most of them will dispute him. His video on "How to make a man fall in love with you" has like a 30% dislike (the highest out of all of Leo's videos i have seen). Education on the matter is key.

I am not physically ugly, so it is not about a girl finding you ugly. But where i currently live my look type (dark skin, dark features kinda middle eastern/south european look) is not very desired and popular. Therefore i am not the first choice of most girls. Can i still attract them in this case?

@Peter Miklis That is what i advised people to do, have some wisdom on who they decide to sleep with. Of course people do not like to do that, so my comment was conveniently ignored

@Peter Miklis It is not ethical behavior for sure. Just because you can do something does not mean it is ethical to do.

@Preety_India Both genders have messed up people that will toy with emotions of others and break their hearts. This is not a gender thing. What both guys and girls should do is try to scan these kind of people and avoid them as much as possible. Big fatty juicy burgers are irresistible, does not mean you should eat them. Have some wisdom regarding who you sleep with. Just like you have wisdom regarding what you put in your body. Sometimes the best things for you are not very obvious from a pure hedonistic point of view, like plain salad for example. Nuance. And btw this is not a gender thing, both genders fall prey to this. This advice works on everyone

I have noticed that when you become more loving as a person, loving in a less conditional way then it becomes easier for you to develop deep intimacy with people and strong connections. Of course with some people you might not vibe much but it tends to be reduced as you become more loving. What most people do is that they confuse attraction with love which are different things. Attraction is just pure "make you feel good" chemicals in your brain that make you feel certain good emotions. Not much different from a drug. Love however is something completely different, something deeper that is very beautiful and pure. Most people have such a limited version of love that they need strong attraction in the first place for that love to develop and often it is still not pure love, just selfish love. Pure love is loving with freedom, without needing it like a drug. Hard to explain but i hope you get what i mean. Most people confuse attraction with love and i think that the two should be really distinguished if you want to maximize your well being in life.

@ertopolice Funny how you complain that guys there only care about looks when you say explicitly that they are below average looks. So you are both judging by looks and when they do it is is a bad thing. A bit hypocritical. If online dating does not work then go to bars and clubs. Simple. You do not need to approach so no fear to go there.

I think you caught Leo in a contradiction that is why he avoiding answering it

@ertopolice They have done experiments on Tinder where they legit take a woman without any pictures or bio and it still gets more likes than plenty of guys. Tinder is crazy easy for girls because guys have no standards and like everything. Plus plenty of cool guys use it so do not be judgmental about it. If you are worried about getting pumped and dumped then just select guys with pictures where they look nice and cute, not fuck boy type pictures. I do not know what you look like but honestly even as a below average looking girl you can get matches easily.