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@Windappreciator Sorry, i did not mean to be rude.

@Windappreciator If the "west" had develop out of biological evolution then they would not be 40 percent overweight because they are addicted to salt, fat and sugar.

@snowyowl You can be successful and still be feminine and submissive in the household. Strong and independent outside, girly sweet and submissive in home. Integrate both. Same for guys.

@Leo Gura When you are a sociopath it gives you a boost regardless of what you do. It is not that DHV game is for sociopath and "natural game" is for non sociopaths. Besides that a lot of PUAs have sociopathic tendencies to some extent. Anyway this is an old post that got clarified, idk why it got opened up again.

@Windappreciator This is biological not cultural. Unless you evolve biologically then you are stuck being this way. It would be nice if people could evolve out of being naturally inclinced to like sugar salt and fat but here we are.

@Emerald No i do not mean that. I mean that a submissive female is her natural role, a marriage works when both parties are at their best self. Strong man and submissive woman, it is basic biology. From a higher TRUTH perspective then this is all BS but in the relative survival driven world where marriages operate then such behaviour ensures longevity. Basically females want to be feminine and submissive, if they start acting all alpha it will make them miserable and resentful even if they are not aware of it. Sounds sexist but this is how things see to be. And marriages in these more traditional societies not only last longer, they are generally better. Rarely any issues, and both are happy doing their thing. Of course they can split housework and stuff, doesnt have to be a male dictatorship but the gender roles allow it to last longer. Plenty of cases where in a marriage in the west the man has become the woman and the marriage is miserable. As soon as the man gets some coaching and becomes more masculine and assumes his natural role as the leader , the whole marriage gets better. Read "The way of the superior man", he explains this in detail.

@subterfuge They also claim RSD is full of shit too and some of its ex employees like Todd V denounced a lot of their theories. This whole industry is full of BS so i do not really trust anyone blindly. That is why i asked here because people here actually have integrity and do not bullshit, at least i hope so.

@Danioover9000 Arguably the biggest issue girls face in clubs is drunk idiots that act in not appropriate way. I do not want to be that guy. Being tipsy sure but proper proper drunk is neither healthy nor enjoyable. Being drunk a few times can teach you how to be more social when sober so there is benefit from it. But couple of times is all you need really.

@Emerald Why the divorce rate so much higher in the west then? I would like some explanations. Not just divorce rate but overall less happy sexless marriages. The film American Beauty is a prime example. Weak ass submissive guy and bossy super bitchy annoying woman. Fuck that shit.

@Leo Gura I am picky also but mostly when it comes to personality and long term stuff. Basically i can have sex with a lot of girls but to be intimate and be in serious relationship i am quite quite picky. So in the end it is balanced, i feel like we are different sides of the same coin regarding this stuff. But yeah thanks for the responses.

@Windappreciator Elaborate please. I would be curious to hear another perspective. Like in detail

@Windappreciator Submissive is feminine behavior, it is their natural state. When you are closer to nature you will be naturally happier. Which is why women tend to be resentful and bitchy when the guy does not act masculine and makes her the man of the relationship. Being submissive is what they ultimately want. Submissive does not mean a pushover. Nuance. You can have a personality and boundaries and still be feminine sweet and submissive. Just like a guy can be kind yet decisive and strong. I am saying this because in my country marriages seem a lot healthier and almost no divorces. Not a lot of abuse either, both parties know their roles and act on it. Abuse happens in the west too, it is not exclusive to eastern societies.

@Windappreciator Then why their marriages tend to last longer without issues? I come from a country like that myself and the traditional family seemed to work very well. Wife was submissive and feminine and guy was strong and masculine. In western europe the roles are all over the place and they top divorce rate charts. What are your thoughts?

Do you guys think Eastern Women (europe especially) tend to be more feminine and overall better material than western women? I saw a video that argued so.

@Leo Gura Totally agreed. Logistics require a lot of skill and even luck a bit. However, if a girl is attracted to you but cannot close then you can set up a meeting with them right there or get their number and schedule something after. If you build some comfort and connection should help. Maybe some of them will flake but some should meet. Also depends where you live. That is super subjective. Personally i know within 2 seconds if I would sleep with a girl or not. I am not picky much regardling looks and would consider maybe 30 percent of girls attractive to some extent. That might change for someone else might be totally different.

@unborn_chicken I kind of did the same. I lived in a country that was least developed and moved to study and hopefully work that is more developed with a more intellectual youth. Where do you live if i may ask? How old are you? If you go to university then it is not that hard to find intelligent intellectual people as long as it is a decent school no? That is where i met a lot of smart cool people. Youth organisations also help a lot, i went to one to develop my social skills and i met a lot of cool people there too.

1. Try to find people that share your hobbies and desires. Maybe join clubs or use the internet to find local communities, maybe go to specific places like libraries or conferences idk. There are plenty of intellectual people out there with which you can have conversations you like. I am the same, i do not like trivial topics too much, i do it but not 100 percent of the conversation. 2. I will give you a new lense to see socialization. Soclization grows you immensly, first it grows you emotionally because it can be difficult. You have to go out of your comfort zone, if you are not natural at it , it will be difficult. That is great. It makes you stronger. Just like the gym does for example. Also, most importantly it will allow you to see the world from more perspectives. Esepcailly if you hang out with somewhat intellectual people, they will have different ideas, views on life. It will enrich your knowledge and help you in your understanding. Try to interact with people different from yourself in terms of views, if you do it mindfully it will benefit you. 3. It is a useful life skill to help advance your survival. Sorry but you will not get as far in life if you lack social skils than if you are social. This should not be your primary motivation though, because it is extrincit. Do it for the intrinstic benefits which i wrote on point 2. 4. In time it will become more fun as you get better at it. Look, i know how you feel. I am also naturally introverted and enjoy my company a lot. However through SHEER EXPERIENCE, over 1000s of hours of socializing i have become quite decent at it and it is worth it. You can be a natural introvert at heart while being outgoing, social fun and cool. One of the benefits of being an introvert is that you are less dependent emotionally from other people. This allows you to be more authentic. Ironically this makes you a more attractive person. Hope it helped, if you have questions do not hesitate to PM me.

@Leo Gura I have a question. From one side you make it seem as if getting girls is a skill game and i mostly agree. Yes, if you are totally not a girl's type you might not be able to attract her but overall there is a lot of skill involved. However on the other side you create this idea that you need to talk to 100 girls to get 1. If you manage to attract 1/100 girls it means that she just through sheer volume found you attractive. It is not skill, it is just looking until you find a girl that finds you attractive physically, thus beating skill. From this perspective PUA does not seem as a way to make yourself more attractive as much as a way to quickly screen girls to find those that will be into you from the start, not attracting them with your personality. I mean if you talk to 200 girls, 1-2 will find you legit handsome and you will not need any game to attract her as long as you are not retarted. Could you or anyone here really, clarify this because i do not understand it.

@KennedyCarter I am not personally enlighted but i find a lot of the gender roles to be false. Basically done because of survival not because they are true per say. Many are outdated. For example there is 0 reason for the woman to be the sole person in the household that does the chores, both can contribute to chores. Also regarding working and providing, both can do it equally well these days for the most part. Only places where i think gender roles are still very relevant would be taking care for the child (females are wired to do it better) and protecting in case of danger (males are the stronger sex, so if for example someone breaks in the house). Outside these very specific things overall i think gender roles are outdated. In the relative realm they are neccessary for survival and therefore work. On the "absolute" term than its all illusion so irrelevant and false. Keep in mind i am talking about developed countries here, in a poor country gender roles are much more prevelant and necessary.

@Roy I went to parties many times with my friends and nobody got laid. You need to approach to get laid on top of "going to bars". Plus i do not like clubs or bars much so i want to minimize going there as much as possible. I would rather meet people through other avenues. I am naturally introverted but social so loud environements do not appeal to me very much in terms of meeting people. I like going there once in a while to unwind but approaching girls is another busienss all together

@Preety_India Thanks i guess I was 21 when the picture was taken though, i look very young for my age.

@Preety_India Yes, he is the most advanced dating coach i have seen. However this comes with him not being the best guy to listen to if you just want to get laid per say.

@Leo Gura That makes logical sense but dating is not just a list of criteria one must meet. There are feelings and emotions involved. Maybe he really likes the girl, maybe he is in love, maybe they have a great connection he doesnt have with most other girls. Finding a girl you are compatible with and enjoy is much harder than just finding an attractive girl. If you have insane strong will and emotional mastery then you can do that however most people cannot.

@Knowledge Hoarder A very small minority, most would be happy with anything.

Females see it from their perspective since they get approached. "Just be social" works for them well. For guys "just being social" will not work if they are unattractive or have very low self-esteem. They need to learn attraction theory, approach a lot of girls and fail a lot, improve their inner game and even then it may not be enough for some hard cases. I had plenty of incels tell me they are social but girls do not like them for the reasons i mentioned above.