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  1. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    56 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    Because the reality is very complex as Jews were themselves after a far worse trauma that I think didn't left them much of a choice but to come to this land

    They could choose any other land, like Uganda, but they went to Israel because the Bible. That's fanatism don't you think? Then the solution is expell all the Palestinian. If I were Israelite I would emigrate, being zionist is loose your dignity in my opinion. That's what is going to happen more and more after this massacre, that's the Hamas game, show the evilness of Israel to the world and to the Israelites . A lot of Israelites are going to be severely traumatized after this war and are going to loose the faith in their cause. Netanyahu is stupid, he's doing what Hamas want

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    11 hours ago, Raze said:

    I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
    — David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister)

    “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
    — David Ben Gurion 

    How to be a zionist with those ideas? 

  3. Posted

    51 minutes ago, Candle said:

    Reality doesn't favour birds or any animal. It's the humans that label something "good" when it serves their survival. And "bad" when it doesn't. 

    If war is happening, it's not for birds. (It's a very selfish, bird-centric pov). 

    It's happening bcz it's perfect and it should be happening. Cause and effect. It's happening for something very deeply meaningful. 

    Edited 38 minutes ago by Candle

    What I meant is that it's not possible to judge what happens 

  4. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Candle said:

    What benefits mankind got when bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? 

    Maybe settle the basis of the end of the war. Without nukes 3 ww would happen long ago. 

    4 minutes ago, Candle said:

    And in Israel-Palestine war? Just asking about the good points. 

    I don't know, maybe the beginning extinction of the humans that's very good for the birds, or anything else.

    5 minutes ago, Candle said:

    And everything is perfect and for a greater good. 

    It's not for good imo, is the way that reality found for creation. Seems that reality manifested is positive push that arises, and find the best way, it's not good or bad, is creation 

  5. Posted

    6 hours ago, billiesimon said:

    We have military forces because we are evil.

    I humanity were not evil, it would not possess military forces ;););)

    Life is evil , because life kills life, if not life would be unicellular photosynthetic organisms very happy in their photosynthesis, but the moment some of them group together to kill others and extract their energy, war is born, which is the engine of creation.

    An example is the dodo bird from the Mauritius Islands. It arrived at those islands flying a few hundred thousand years ago, and as there were no predators there, it regressed and lost the ability to fly, dedicating itself to devouring lizards that were abundant. When those islands were discovered, the dodo was easy prey for humans and became extinct.

    Summary: War gives wings and creates something as beautiful as the flight of birds, the speed of fish, or the complexity of the human brain.

  6. Posted

    Imagine that you are going to die now, in 10 seconds. Put yourself in that situation really. The absolute black, the total dissolution. Could you perceive that there, in death, is everything? But is hidden, is not defined, or inligthened by the light of consciousness, but still is, exactly that if it's manifested. Because everything is always, conciousness doesn't create nothing because everything already is, that's the absolute, it's just you. Conciousness is just the manifestation of a facet of yourself. It's illusory because you are not a facet, are the whole. 

  7. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    4 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Historically there were many examples Jewish communities coexisting peacefully in Arab states for long periods of time. Many Jews actually fled to the Middle East from Europe to escape violence. Prior to Zionism Palestinians specifically were known for living peacefully with large Christian and jewish minorities.

    This is the eternal discussion. Then they will say that the arabs started with terrorism in 1920, and that they declared a war of total destruction or expulsion in 1948 

  9. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Raze said:

    That’s not true, israel has regularly attacked first.

    Prior to the 1948 war israel was razing villages like at Deir Yassin.

    The famous 1967 war began with an Israeli strike.

    the PA in the West Bank hasn’t attacked israel in years and even works with the government, but Israel during that time seized more land, expelled more Palestinians, and allowed settlers to kill dozens every year.

    The recent direct conformation with Iran began when Israel bombed Irans embassy. 

    So following your logic, attacking Israel in response is necessary because doing nothing could be worse. 

    I didn't mean that Israel is fair or good, just that if you attack them they will respond much harder than if you don't do. That of Cisjordania and many other things are disgusting, but they would say that it's necessary because the history shows that it's impossible to coexist with the Arabs . Then we could argue if that is true or not eternally 

  11. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Large responses don’t increase security. For example in 1982 they invaded Lebanon in a large response for security, but after sabra and shatila the shias turned against them and their security got worse. 

    They did many large responses in Gaza such as 2008, 2014, and 2018, yet that just lead to Oct 7.

    Iran didn’t attack israel, yet israel struck their embassy in Syria to assassinate their general, Iran responded by sending a small strike with advanced warning that was intercepted and said the issue is over and they won’t continue, israel then bombed the capital of Iran. That’s not responding, it’s escalating.

    Regardless most security analysts say israel can’t destroy irans nuclear capabilities, at best it delays them but they will just move further underground and make them.

    Iran has offered deals to not make nukes multiple times and was rejected by Israel, and they still haven’t made nukes, so they could try engaging with those. 

    Iran simply knows that if they throw a bomb to Israel they will throw 200. You mentioned the violent episodes that happened even being hard, but if Israel would be softer, probably those events would be triple

  12. Posted

    8 minutes ago, origin said:

    Would it be correct to say that "do nothing" primarily applies to one's internal state, while one can still act freely in the external environment ?

    Well if we talk about meditation means do nothing internally and externally, until the point of don't feel your body. Expand without limits, not being human anymore. If you are doing something, any activity, you are not expanded, you are focused 

  13. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    18 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Iran can already make nukes in a week if it wanted to. Bombing them will just send them deeper underground to make them.

    Other Arab states are currently not direct enemies of Israel.

    They could also just get them from another country like Russia or North Korea.

    Even if they didn’t get nukes large missiles pose enough of a threat to require the Samson option if there is a full scale war.

    Israel now is showing that if it's attacked it will respond extremely hard, then at the end this is the only wise strategy for Israel, being weak now means war in the future, showing extreme harshness now could make anyone think in if really want that fight. What else to do? Abandon Israel would be the only other option.

  14. Posted

    1 minute ago, Raze said:

    The USA can get israel to do whatever it wants in theory, so it could just threaten to remove all aid or sanction them unless it changes things, but Israel has a large lobby in the USA which influences which politicians get into power so only ones that listen to Israel get in government.

    I think that the messianic Zionist’s will slowly win, but this will overtime erode international support, so without having US pressure to fall back israel start to will rely on using its nuclear threat, which will cause other middle eastern countries to get nukes which make their enemies get nukes, and since Arab states have major internal issues which will get worse due to climate change some will collapse and be replaced by anti-Israel zealots radicalized by current events, and this will result in large military confrontations, but a now weakened Israeli military can’t definitively beat them and won’t change course due to messianic religious beliefs, so they’ll use the Samson option. 

    How any Arab country could get nuclear weapons? If any of them is close would be bombed. Israel can't allow it. 

  15. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Some liberal Zionist’s support eventually creating a Palestinian state. However it’s less possible now because Gaza is destroyed, settlers moved into the West Bank, and Israel has a growing amount of messianic zionists who believe Israel needs to expand outwards and take those lands among others. And neither liberal nor messianic zionists support a one state solution where Israel annexes the land but gives Palestinians equal rights because then the Palestinian population will be half the country and it won’t be a state where Jews are in majority control.

    In addition Palestinians will resist it and then world opinion turns against Israel, which also causes wealthier Jews who tend to be liberal Zionist’s to leave making messianic Zionist’s more influential, but Israel needs support from western governments to maintain its military strength which they can lose if world opinion shifts enough away from them.

    Seems a huge shit without solution. 

  18. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Doing it all at once is impossible, they acknowledged that.

    source: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl/index.html

    But instead they do it slowly over time.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/urging-occupation-smotrich-says-voluntary-migration-could-halve-gazas-population-in-2-years/

    seems so. Anyway, being Israel, is there any other option? Let the Palestinian develops, grow in population and coexist with them is possible? Probably they think that it isn't 

  20. Posted

    1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

    To use violence to quell violence makes you the  expander of violence

    In this way you are the perpetuation of evil and all that is wrong with the world

    People are violent out of their pain and you are deepening it in others and yourself

    The police use violence all time, their work is protect the law and order with the violence, do you think that they should dissapear?

  21. Posted

    1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

    As long as 100 hostages are inside hamas tunnels I think Israelis emotions will be invested mostly in them, what is understandable to my opinion.

    Yes that's the only reason. It's a reason at the end, you can't let the others to cross your limits, then everything is allowed 

    5 minutes ago, Raze said:

    it’s from a Israeli psychologist who did a study interviewing idf soldiers

    it does match similar accounts at the time

    https://archive.ph/JxOc8

    https://archive.ph/YuLU6

    Then the game of Hamas is provoke a huge volume of horror letting their people and themselves being killed to destroy the moral of Israel and it's image , but Israel know it and they will fight for acting moral,.find moral reasoning to their acts, maybe after this they will change their behavior and some coexistence is possible, seems difficult but who knows, now they are very hated

  24. Posted

    Just now, Nivsch said:

    I agree they are smart. 

    Israel is an extremely polarized country.

    The foreign youtube media display only the right wing-messianic-bibist side.

    In my opinion Israel is loosing it's force and Palestinian are getting huge power, like a sacred mission that is expell the demons from their land, and those people, ben givir and the fundamentalist, are showing that they are like Hitler and Goebbels, real demons that don't do a genocide because the public opinion, but if they could, they will kill all the Palestinian. Bad for the project of Israel as a nation, low moral, low self esteem. 

  25. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    Or fight inside and don't let idiots to determine your country character, what many citizens do this days against all this goverment's actions against the democracy.

    It's a very difficult problem. Look Germany or Japan, they have lost their pride as a nation because their horrible behavior. If Israel loose it's pride, being surrounded of enemies, better go away. Israel is going in the wrong direction. Right now Hamas is laughing. Every kid that dies is a nail in the coffin of Israel. Why do you think that Hamas did what they did? To provoke this. They are getting what they want. Do you think that they are retarded? Wrong . This is total war, martirdom to get their purposes. They are impossible to submit, or this is what they are showing.