Breakingthewall

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  1. Posted

    1 minute ago, James123 said:

    What kind of Buddhism? İn India, they got 100000 gods. You mean Zen?

    Buddhism is the religion that says any human can attain Buddhahood or realization, which a guy named Gautama Buddha did through a series of stages, and that encourages its followers to pursue Buddhahood or at least get close to it in this life and then continue on to the next.

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    1 minute ago, James123 said:

    @Breakingthewall @PurpleTree not to kill innocent people. People are misleads the way of Quran. Bible writes more disturbing than that.

    Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’” Samuel 15-3

    Demagoguery, like always. "Innocent people" is who I decide is innocent, then I decide that anyone is no innocent and done. 

    The other, when we talk about Christianity, we refer, as you know, to the New Testament, to the life of Christ, which annuls the Old Testament, the New Covenant annuls the Old, so citing the Old Testament is demagogy, since Christ says to love your enemies and forgive them. But you already know this and you do not speak to build, you speak to stand out, then it's difficult to arrive to any point 

  5. Posted

    @zazen 

    5 minutes ago, zazen said:

    @Breakingthewall  You should watch this video brother.

     

    I watched the half, later I will watch all, but for now, my opinion it is demagogy, I respect your views as they are usually accurate and backed by real information, but this guy says things like the West is more violent than the East and wants to give lessons in peace, or that in terms of respect for women it is at the same level. This is demagogy, the West is historically more violent because it is more efficient, therefore it conquers and makes total war.

    Regarding women's freedom, in the West since the Middle Ages there were queens of enormous power, this is not a possibility in the East. Obviously in the West women were also subject to men, but a king could not have a harem of 300 wives guarded by eunuchs and be proud of it

  6. Posted

    6 minutes ago, James123 said:

    @PurpleTree Killing is the biggest sin in the Quran.

    I see that you didn't read it, it's ok. The Quran repeatedly states that it is legitimate and obligatory to kill in order to defend oneself if Islam is attacked. The problem is that "attacking Islam" can be interpreted in many ways, such as apostasy, which is punishable by death. 

    Sura 191 

    Kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they expelled you. Opposition (to your belief) is more serious than killing.

  7. Posted

    3 hours ago, Raze said:

    In Mark 7:10 Jesus affirms the Old Testament rule of stoning unruly children. 

    Stoning isn’t prescribed as a punishment in the Quran. 

    If we follow your train of logic, we’d expect to see the radical islamists not using stoning , but Christian’s still practicing it. But it’s the opposite. 

    You will agree that Islamic societies have stagnated, and the cause of this can only be Islam. Islam is against evolution, its goal is spiritual salvation through obedience to laws, many of them arbitrary, such as not drawing human figures or not eating pork.

    Could Islam be interpreted in such a way that eating pork and drinking alcohol is not a sin? Or drawing animals?

    I suppose you will also agree that the treatment of women in Islam is humiliating, in the sense that it allows each man to have 4 wives legally. How could evolve a society that accept those premises?

  8. Posted

    58 minutes ago, Raze said:

    again, you’re ignoring that islam can be interpreted just like any religion, here is a counter example

    Again thanks for the clarification about slavery. Anyway, another example: Jesus saw that they were going to stone an adulteress and said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and he stopped the stoning. Muhammad saw that they were going to whip two adulterers. He asked why they didn't stone them, and they answered that the chief's son was an adulterer and was not stoned. Since then, they hadn't stoned. So Muhammad ordered the couple to be stoned to death. Do you see a essential difference in the message?

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    8 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

    I would get more clarity and beauty looking at a turd dried up on the sidewalk.

    The painting was ug-i-ly.

    The mistake is thinking that because it gives any sensation at all, or that it has a unifying sensation that summates or takes you out of the world means that it's good. It's bad.

    Bricks and drywall and trees and streetlights are infinitely more beautiful.

    Whoever made that painting is like a demon creating a black hole of nasty, cloying, puke ugliness in a world that should already be more beautiful.

    8 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

     

    8 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

     

    You are obviously a prisoner of your human bias, it prevents you from seeing clearly. If it weren't so, you would see Donald Trump as a perfect manifestation of infinity, and the beauty of his orange face and yellow hair would shine like the most precious flower in the cosmos. So everything you say is biased. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

  10. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    24 minutes ago, Raze said:

     

    Thanks for the clarification. Yes in that times slavery was common, and these allusions do exist, but the Quran explicitly speaks of how to treat slaves . This is the direct word of God, then anything else is blasphemy . Anyway, is obvious that the message of Christianity or Buddhism, even if misinterpreted, is a spiritual message. The message of the Quran is in great part social, which is a key difference.

  11. Posted

    On 5/1/2025 at 2:03 AM, Raze said:

    No they didn’t, the Vatican has said many times hell is real. 
     

    https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-claim-pope-denied-hells-existence-unreliable

    Interesting. Hell has been the threatening and radicalizing force of Christianity. The most incredible thing is that many people genuinely terrified by hell managed to steal, own slaves and kill, but all in the name of Jesus.

  12. Posted

    1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

    Leo's creaming his jeans over some rainbow puke splatter and then projecting some taste and intelligence into it that's not even there.

    That painting is like Trump taste or if someone's soul resonates with Sadhguru, or if they think their soul does. If their soul is working with that level for a bit but they mistakenly think that it's universal and higher and reflects some open cumulative equanimous balance, when it's just horrible.

    I liked that picture, what to say? Maybe I'm like trump. Maybe trump is quite good at the end, who knows? Anyway, I wouldn't put that paint in my house, but when I saw it it transmitted me clarity and beauty 

  17. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    15 minutes ago, James123 said:

    Quran is writing by insights. Directly from deep meditation. İmo, you have heard or watch so much tv. Go read by yourself. People are just fools, but book is different. Specially sufism. 

    No, was dictated by the archangel saint Gabriel, if you want to come here saying that smarty things about watching too much tv, first learn a bit. I read Quran, not totally, but part, imo it's a copy of bible in it's base

    Yes, I know, people are just fools, not like you, oh enlightened. Patience is needed 

  19. Posted

    1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

    To make distinctions between major religions is simply fallacy. Why not realize people are into two categories? Believers and non believers. 

    Oh wait theres a third. Awakening. 

    What I ask is how the Islamic societies could evolve. seems that as humans it is objectively more desirable to have greater mental freedom in order to evolve as a whole. Where is human society in general headed and what is the role of Islamic societies, which are a significant part in numbers, in this evolution?

    Western society is very imperfect, but it is constantly moving. What is the path that Islamic society wants to take? To be always angry and offended, trying to appear to be saints?

  20. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

    Except I think you are forgetting one thing. This isn't Roman times anymore. 2025

    Remember when we used to live in caves and say "OOGA BOOGA" and then beat our neighbors over the head with a club. Fun times. Why the hell can't we do that anymore smh

    Ask to Hitler, he tried the same in Russia just 80 years ago, he didn't live in a cave, they were quite cultivate people 

    I know it's different, the Jews are living together with the Palestinian from long time and a lot of fight happened, then both sides hate each other, it's not a simple thing 

  21. Posted

    39 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Why are you looking for awakening? Is it a game in itself or is it ultimately always part of a usual game from a human point of view?

    3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

    @Breakingthewall 

    Because I perceive clearly that the human structure is a jail, like an energetic structure that limits you with the goal of making you a cog in a machine. I find it unsatisfactory, the real thing is unlimited, being limited is always unsatisfactory, in any case.

    43 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    Do you mean that with enough consciousness 3d will disappear? Or rather that it will become intangible?

    Just you will perceive the structure of this experience and you will be free of their bondages.

    46 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    one way or another "i" (god ? consciousness ? divine camera ?) arrived in a field of experience, i can more or less "grasp", discriminate, recognize these dimensions of experiences.

    I think that the reality organized itself in increasingly complex energetic patterns cyclically because it's inevitable, and all this that we call life is that evolutionary movement, which has infinite ramifications, like everything else. The direct perception of infinity is freedom, the realization that you are unlimited.

  22. Posted

    40 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

    @Breakingthewall Can you describe what you mean by self, self dissolution, void etc ?

    I am not interested in spirituality from that angle, so i fail to understand, but i am interested. I need to be accompanied in understanding.

    Self is the human structure, built on a foundation of fear and need for acceptance and belonging genetically encoded by millions of years of evolution from which many layers of identification and attachment are created. 

    To dissolve the self is to observe it, to realize that it is a structure that is superimposed on you, not you, and having the intention of seeing through it, to break it. 

    Void is what happens when the self disappears. Like a drug addict who is addicted to drugs, at first when the self disappears only the limitless emptiness is perceived and this translates into a feeling of absence, of lack of everything, death. There is simply nothing and you are nothing. If you manage to accept the void and be the void without rejecting it or needing to fill it, the reality of what you are begins to manifest.

    The void is the total potential, it opens and its absolute power manifests. One side is nothing, the other is everything, and they are equivalent. It is not mysterious, it is obvious. In the absence of limits anything blurs to zero, but in the absence of limits the substance of reality expands to infinity.

  23. Posted

    13 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

    Nope, I mean the colors and shapes themselves are actually pretty ugly, and yet I can still see everything you see if I tune into it or the positivity of the colors as the colors and the shapes as the shapes. I just prefer my perspective, otherwise I would have to value other values like "openness" or "positivity" or "beingness" over beauty.

    Yeah I could understand your perspective. About artistic taste, it is something that evolves. For example, I don't have a fucking clue about painting, so maybe if I became a serious fan and started spending time looking at art, in two years I would see what I now think is fantastic and think, well, now it seems vulgar. Although that is probably not the case 100%, because when you perceive something authentic, you continue to perceive it later, even you can recognize that it's basic, not evolved or immature 

     

  24. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    The problem for the evolution of Islam is that the Koran was supposedly written by God directly, so any interpretation that deviates from what is written is blasphemy. The idea of punishment is repeated a lot in the Koran, it is an intimidating book that subjugates. Christianity has subjugated society, but there have been movements such as the Enlightenment that have denied this, and this seed has been planted in people's minds and has been germinating little by little. There has also been Protestantism that has taken power away from the corrupt church.

    Already in the 19th century in Europe, a lot of educated people thought that Christianity was superstition and they could say so openly. Islam is much more rigid, saying that is going against God and condemning you to hell. 

    Since the Renaissance in Europe, it has been considered that the human being is the measure of everything, it is an idea that comes from the Romans and that re-enters the minds. God is necessary because after death comes paradise or hell, but the protagonist in this life is man. Jesus says: to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. In Islam everything is God's, man is nothing, a slave.

  25. Posted · Edited by Breakingthewall

    36 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

    Just high-contrast, garish, total lack of meaning

    I understand now. You see the let's see, elegance, good taste or lack of it,  I am seeing the beauty of the colors and shapes, the meaning is that it is beautiful, the colors are direct and beautiful and their combination creates a clean, clear feeling. The combination of beauty with clarity is what makes me appreciate that painting, but for another person that combination could seems lack of elegance or surility