Breakingthewall

@Raptorsin7 The same thing happens to me, every time I read something about it, and from older ones like papaji Krishnamurti or nisgardatta maharaj I just listen: hey guys, I'm enlightened, it's super cool !. but not you. do you want to be enlightened? bad, you don't have to want it. Do you want to know what enlightenment is? It's this, THIS, here. don't you see it? sure not, normal poor guys. meditating is bad, everything is bad. except be me! That is fantastic. love me guys, I'm the best. i never finished a spiritual book

@Bazooka Jesus Yeah that is the idea, but for me plugged doesn't work either. I see it normal, there is a lot of shit in there

@Bazooka Jesus let's do something. Take another 20 mg and vape , and after come to post

@taotemu you did 5 meo only one time, maybe you should try again. You can see that here many sais that have the most profound realizations with it, maybe it's true. But it's up to you of course

I was the one who said that 5 meo is not a psychedelic, it is an eraser, but now I say: 5 meo is magic

@Swarnim what really matters is whether she helps people to wake up. does it? Well maybe in a way yes, at least make the people desire to be awake

Could be, Maybe I cross the boundary between healthy doubt and mean thinking, but I listen to her and see a message centered on her person, precisely on how loving and authentic she is ... that she possibly is. btw what she says is inspired

she is a seductress. what I hear is: I am enlightened, and you are not. What would you like to be like me? normal, I'm wonderful

@ivankiss very sure. reconciling with your past may seem impossible in many cases. From the case you mentioned about the child bullied at school, to or the girl sold to a brothel, to the Congolese boy forced to torture his mother, there is a whole range of difficulties. It's not fair, why to me? nothing strengthens the ego more. trying to realize god to forget all that, it never happened ... it doesn't work! first you have to make amends no matter how difficult it is. It is necessary to understand that what is is not subject to what it should be. It comes out of nothingness, and is, without judgment. If you take away his judgment, the trauma turns into a shining jewel. It's liberation from should be, and like you said, it takes courage

True. Heaven and individual are mutually exclusive. for one to appear, the other has to disappear

I wanted to share, yesterday I did 5meo, 12 mg, interesting, i realized the nothing, and that i was locking the nothing. today I did it again. 15 mg, in 3 out of 5. I am meditating for more or less 2 hours, clean moments, others not, realizations that everything that torments me about familiar things, etc., are patterns in me, I perceive myself almost on the verge of letting go of everything, But there is a barrier, I. I doubt. Maybe this is not the time, I am not clean. I think: obviously, not ever. Well, let's go with 5 mg ... I do it and almost everything dissolves, violence, weird, unpleasant, I'm nothing, empty ... ufff ...I sit up and take the other pipe. I do. White screen. Zero. Reality is zero, nothing, I hit bottom and bottom is ... nothing, dead. I recover a little, I have already been through this 20 times. First was really bad. I think, well, this again, how can it be useful to me? This is not reality, it is just a drug and it can help me, I will do it again, today is not the day ... but, what does it matter, we have already seen the flat and empty dead background that I am, let's see it another time. Another 5 (the 3 strokes in 10 min I think) well, I think, it no longer affects so hard.... opened the door, suddenly, soft. Unfathomable, that is, that I am. Let's sing his praises, hallelujah. We have hit the jackpot. There is nothing to fear, alone in my house I say yes yes, beyond explanation, absolute, God. etc etc etc blah blah blah blah I share this not so that you all tell me, as in an evangelical church, welcome brother. It is to communicate something: 5 meo. Gift from God. Accept the gift. Will this realization change anything? I would say yes. is it real or the result of a drug? real without any doubt. is it possible to open that door without psychedelics? I'm sure it is, but very difficult, very rare, the barrier that you are is very well placed. If you are trying to open the door, honestly, without doubt, this is the way, but if not, probably it wouldn't work. Of course, now, 1 hour later, I'm the same. It is only a remember. It's really positive, but it doesn't means I'm enlightened. Only a glimpse, but....much more than anything i expected. Not like, enlightenment is simple, it's realize that you are nothing. No...the world God exist for this

@Purple Man the emptiness feels somewhat limited. it is being limited by a fraction of the self that refuses to merge. the experience of fullness is when the self dissolves into emptiness. its obviousness as something true it is nothing that you can not even remotely imagine or think. it is expansion, nothing and everything and all that. It is something that without something as drastic and annihilating as 5 meo seems impossible for a normal person to achieve. your mind has to disintegrate and disappear, and only emptiness remains. when only emptiness remains, there is still something that resists. if that resistance holds, there is a feeling of limited emptiness. you touch the ground. the present is nothing, but nothing "closed", if that yields, it opens. the word that comes to mind afterwards is unfathomable. And that's you, that boundless empty depth is life, and the feeling is, welcome home, this is, of course

@Adamq8 Thank you! I remember that you were testing 5 meo and having experiences of emptiness @Purple Man I have had this experience many times with 5meo: the mind stops, I disappear, there is nothing, not even me. reality is emptiness, flat, without differentiation but without life. there is a very strong sense of death, of not being. yesterday I had the realization that I was the one who somehow closed the void. today, it happened that it suddenly gained depth, it opened. I merged with it, it opened up and had no limit, and I was that. it was nothing but it was full, the feeling of life was enormous, total. the certainty of something that always was, joy, enlightenment, hallelujah. It cannot be described and is blurred. for the first time now my mind is at peace. I have to go back there. @James12345 Nothing, but something, being, call it how you want. There is not just a zero. It's obvious. as you say, look at your hand.

humans suffer much more than animals. animals just are, and when their body is weakened they die right away, nature takes over. they are on their site, they do what they have to do and they don't think. an elephant in the middle of the savannah has a peace and fluidity that we will never have. it is we who have been expelled from the garden of eden

Comments after 12 mg vaped: first, sorry for my nickname, you don't have to break, you have to make love with yourself. now I understand: when everything disappears, there is no mind, the void opens ... and suddenly everything, the experience, the reality, is a negation. This denial is not the nothing, it is me. Saying no, you don't go beyond here. The universe is one, and that one is a no ... ufff and I still do again and again, because i forget, i remember like void, the nothingness, but that void is closed. Today I have seen through the no, the door, the one that I myself close and do not open even with a breakthrough of 18 mg, the door that is me. I have seen unity, limitless, love. I have not become it, but I have been kind to myself. I ve seen me, what I am, what I'm doing. I am someone who at one point had to take serious control. Now is the time to let it go. It is not a thing to do 25 mg vaped, it would not work. It is to leave it, to let go. I'm around. 5 meo is magic, it's an invaluable tool

I would say that it happens to you as if you are anesthetized with propofol but eternally. you disappear, period. the question is, what are you now? I would say that you are nothing more than a point of view, an experience, something apparent. All your history is nothing, like an hologram. You turn it of and it's done. I do not get to the bottom of the question, that would be enlightened, but I sense it. the absolute that you really are continues as always, being. Well, not continue, here is the difficult part, there is no continuity because it does not happen in the time, and because it really is nothing. So how anything apparently occurs? How an experience happens from the no experience? what I don't understand is why all enlightened masters speak of reincarnation. who is reincarnated?

@taotemu My initial motivation was what you say, to live this life fully, to leave behind an annoying ego, a completely practical motivation, and in part I still have it, but I have found something else, I think we see the tip of the iceberg. what are we? I begin to intuit it, and whether or not to enjoy this life seems more irrelevant to me, I see that the important thing is to go deeper into that, to undo the deception. It is completely real, the rest are nothing, irrelevant. my impression is that everything points in that direction, it always has but I have not wanted to see it. it is like a marked path. If you go for it, everything is easy, if you leave, each meter costs a lot of effort.

@taotemu for the need to go deeper, not to get any improvement in my life, but for the very fact of going deeper. what are we? once the concept barrier falls, amazement remains. the more veils disappear, the more amazing is the fact of existing. it is like a domino that falls and can no longer be stopped, an automatic process. anything else seems banal. we are here, whatever it is, for this. all events have been placed so that the domino tile falls

@taotemu i read again your answer and I think that the 5meo trip revealed what I told you in the first message. maya = life, absolute = death. This is not a real revelation (in my opinion), it is a reaction when faced with the void. just say it in case it can be useful to you. for something you did 5meo right? you have an interest in transcendence. Another thing is taking care of your grandmother, helping children or whatever. you can do it or not. what we was talking about is facing the void. It does not have to do with spiritual narcissism, but rather with wanting to get deep into reality. Only keep it in mind

That is. You have brought out the trauma, now it will sting you for a while, but it will be diluted, since at this moment you have plenty of tools to handle it, and a knot will be undone. the bad time that is spent is compensated a thousand times by the benefit of having overcome it.

there is no rush for that! But when the body fails, it seems like an excellent way to get out of here. For me, the goal of undoing the illusion is to break free, hack the game, stop being a deluded puppet, and thereby enjoy the illusion-reality as much as possible. spending time thinking nonsensical things, since nothing makes sense, it's stupid, but the software we have makes it very difficult not to. the only way is to fall in love with the nothing, anything else leads to the same thing: ego, projection, fear, non-direct experience, thought. It doesn't means to became inhumane, cold, distantly, i think it makes the opposite . And 5meo is a good tool imo, always you use like a tool, not an objective itself. but I understand what you mean. that many people use spirituality as escapism. out of fear of life really, they deny life and get hooked on nothing. Could be in many cases but others... maybe the solitude, the void, is a really rich life. I'm open to that

What do you think about that experience? Imo you've had a shot of dark night of the soul in vein. 5meo has undressed you, taken off your colorful clothes, and what is left? nothing, zero, absolutely nothing. where is infinite love, god realization, etc? none of that, just emptiness. after a while your clothes have returned, and a mark has remained in your subconscious, it says: maya = life, something, i. absolute = nothing, zero, death. after this it becomes difficult to meditate (if I am correct in my interpretation of what you said). you just want to focus on the illusion. but deep down you know it's fake, just colored clothes, without any meaning, no purpose, only illusion, like a trick. we must return to the void. it is extremely challenging, counterintuitive. There's nothing there. but there is a detail: maya. Maya is, so the emptiness has to be something, but it is impossible to grasp it with the mind, it is the non-mind, nothing that can be explained. there is the key, the real. Accept that we are absolutely nothing is the first step , this is liberation, but it's impossible for the mind even to think in that. The other options is to stay to be hung as much as possible from an appearance that we know is empty. no way. there is no mother, no father, no meaning, no goal, no purpose. all that is only illusion, it does not exist. just clothes dressing nobody

Psychedelic are not only for enlightenment, they have enormous potential for release of trauma, for reconfiguration of energy, to undo knots. they can increase your quality of life in incredible ways. Another thing is that people too lazy to do meditation practices, lead an integrated life, in short, do the work, use them as a low cost substitute. this is very tempting, and I think negative. but if you use them as a complement to serious work, I think they are almost always positive

@OBEler i agree with you. in your girlfriend's circumstances is when psychedelics can work miracles

I don't like that word, normies, it makes me think of a group of snobs who think they are superior because of their supposed open-mindedness that later turns out not to be. I imagine them dressed in white linen and greeting each other saying "namaste" with a reverence, trying to look advanced all the time??