Breakingthewall

Thats not enlightenment imo. Becoming conscious implies a you doing something. Unless I didn't understand what did you mean. Could you explain what is enlightenment for you? You made interesting points

It's ego always I think. Over all when the people say: you are alone. Complete confusion. in the phrase "you are alone" each of the words can be translated as: relative. They are not able to get out of the relative, their self resists everything, they do not let it fall. Spirituality is just let the self fall.

If with experience you mean to exist, I agree, existing is absolute, but the experience is what is happening. Would you call experience to be undifferentiated, without movement or change? I don't think it's the right word. But you are not alone if you become absolute because there is not you. It's obvious because "I" is something in opposition of "other" . If you become infinite, the I dissolves , and if it dissolves ,there is no one, or loneliness. If there is, is because the I is still there. The I is a creation, is relative.

Experience is relative. the absolute is not experience, experience is something that happens, to happen it has to go from one point to another, something that goes from one point to another is in relation to reference points, therefore, it is relative. absolute is without reference points, therefore it does not move. movement is illusory, it is relative. Therefore, the experience is illusory. and you are not alone, because being alone is relative to being accompanied. the absolute is absolute, it is not alone, nor is it one, nor two, nor love, nor intelligence, nor god, it is absolute, and that's it. It cannot be anything because if it were something it would be relative. infinity is beyond all you can say about it, you have to become it, dropping the self completely. If you are realizing the infinity, it's because you didn't drop the self. You have to be it. Subtle difference.

Yeah, As you have said before, complete clarity brings with it the disappearance of suffering, since this is confusion and attachment. Here is the problem, and as we have already seen. operate from memory is a mistake. we have to avoid doing it if we want to move forward. The most obvious mistake possible is to have a clarity experience with psychedelics and then conceptualize it and arrive at conceptual premises that you call "the truth". This is so basic that it shouldn't be necessary to mention it, and yet...

time is apparent, it is the main component of experience, it is the difference between two points of reference, the same as movement. in infinity there is no time because there is no variation, it is infinite, it contains all possible variation, so there is no possible movement, it is immutable because you cannot add or subtract anything from it. the experience is the appearance of movement, of something that happens, this happens creating limits. Since in infinity you really can't create limits, you can't divide it in two because the two parts are the same, the limits are only apparent. then, there really is no time, no limits, no experience, it just seems so. So, what is "before", the absolute or the appearance? really only infinity is and appearance only appears to be, but let's say it appears to be "after"

reality develops, it creates itself out of nothing, it is a true work of art. Imagine the empty nothingness, a seed that contains all the rules of this universe explodes. and from there, combinations, movement, testing, development, and at one point something like the human brain exists. pretty impressive right? when before there were only a few atoms combining. it is infinity creating wonders, beauty, art. the problem is that it seems that this universe has some baselines in which every ying has its yang. every dream has its part of nightmare. every creation implies its destruction. Detachment is a must to appreciate the art.

It's very different, they don't look alike at all. What I am looking for with 5meo is not insight, it is to break the experience and for the immensity to manifest itself, and over all, become the limitless, without an I who realize the infinity, just be the infinity. it is like turning off the energetic patterns that are making up this experience and leaving nothing. limitless. but I would say that each person has a different effect. what I look for when breaking the pattern is not to understand what this is, it is to let go. Like a meditative exercise. lsd makes you perceptive, many things are seen clearly, and sometimes reality opens up, the conceptual mind shuts down, and you are, like a plant, without a filter. Pure joy.

I don't compare, I just said that it's better to have some breakthrough with 5 meo before to start with lsd, over all if you have a complicated psyche. 5meo changes your energy configuration, makes it lighter, less dense, then on LSD trips it is easier to get out of negative loops

@KatiesKarma If were you, I wouldn't touch LSD until I've done several breakthroughs with 5meo dmt. lsd in your state lsd will only bring you nightmares. 5 meo is what you need, to break from within your entire energy structure several times. later, you can start with lsd, mushrooms, weed.

Yeah, but if you realize the absolute, of what you are, you realize that suffering is relative and it slips away. then it can be said that there is no more suffering. there is only suffering if you identify with the relative, which is the experience, if you identify with the absolute, there is no suffering. but of course, for that you first have to realize the absolute.

life is basically effort

Great, it means that you have genuine intuition. you are perceiving falsehood unconsciously. when you talk about god you are talking about an acquired idea, something far from the truth.

to get out of suffering you have to realize your true nature, which is absolute, and that your experience is relative. suffering always exists, it is a mechanism that keeps the experience active, but if you realize that it is relative, you suffer, but relatively. the difference is drastic

Experience is a creation. Before the experience, is the infinite absolute total, where there is no experience because it is all experiences, it is everything and nothing at the same time. it is no thing because there is no difference between one thing and another. For there to be experience, there must be movement, and for there to be (apparent) movement there must be points of reference, that is, limits. Limits are apparents, so the experience is apparent. To think that the experience is absolute is a deceit.

I don't understand what do you mean. I meant, everything is inside you, but it doesn't mean that you realize it. You must be blind/limited in order to have an experience. But as infinity is the reality, everything that is inside you is infinite as well, so you are inside of it too. Everything is now, but you can't realize because if you realized, it would be everything so there wont be more experience, just the abiss of existence, what you are ultimately

yes, because an experience is limits, therefore unreal. there is only the unlimited infinity, but to interpret that as only inligthened is real and everything that appears in your experience is your dream and it is unreal and finite is to say that it is limited, and nothing is.

Means absence of limits. No limit is real.

If I were chatgpt I would have answered you: there is a fact that cannot be refuted. reality cannot have limits. what could limit it? the void? The void is the reality, only given its limitlessness and the impossibility of limiting itself, it is full because being a void would be a limit. if we accept that reality has no limits, it is infinite. So, if everything is the product of my imagination, if I really am a mind that is imagining what I perceive, this would mean that there is a limit between what I perceive and me. that is to say, that I am infinite, since I am reality, and I am dreaming finite things. if I am, as we have admitted, infinite, I can only dream infinite things, since any fragment of the infinite is itself infinite. therefore, everything that appears in my experience is infinite and in turn is dreaming an infinite dream. everything is real and imaginary at the same time, since the fact of having an experience is the creation of limits between some things and others and the limits are impossible, therefore, everything is apparent but within its appearance it is real. I am not just dreaming, I am inside a dream that infinitely reflects itself, and if I eliminate the limits for a moment, it disappears and the unlimited is revealed.

Yeah, but life is relative. life is something, it is an evolutionary drive, intelligence in action, and its baselines, its source code is: survive. survival is ultimately the survival of your species. good is the perpetuation of the gene, evil its disappearance. like a creation game. You set the rules, you throw the chips and we will see that level where it is capable of reaching. some bacteria that photosynthesize and divide... a bit boring, let's add something else to the game: if you take the life of another, you can increase in complexity, increase in life. It's a competition, where life balance itself, a perfect balance must be maintained because there is no mercy. The slightest failure is paid with death, extinction. good is everything that pushes to exist. evil everything that pushes to die. the intelligence that drives life creates this distinction and life perceives it. As a rare bird in this game, humans appear. they have a different weapon: the conceptual mind. With this tool, they quickly achieve that their survival, immediately, does not have any threat. but there is still a threat: the threat of individual disappearance, that of growing excessively, that of other human groups, that of a meteorite, a virus, etc. always a threat that drives irresistibly in one direction: good, life, and moves away from evil, death. So, all morality, everything that is perceived as good or bad, depends on this impulse. good can be saving other humans or killing them, it depends on the moment, with the lions good is always kill zebras, and bad be hunger, because their survival rate is set by the gene. in humans it is marked by the mind, but the intelligence that pushes is the same

what you are only manifests in a state of openness, it is very difficult, your mind is a closure, a barrier. it must expand, lose its solidity for the opening to occur. Since it is so difficult, we use psychedelics that act as a solvent, but after one layer there is another layer. For me, either the truth is now, or it isn't and you don't have to think about it, because always it's a deception , you have to think about how to make the barrier softer.

life only has one rule, only one thing is right: survive. and only one thing is wrong: to die. the problem is that it is not that simple because you are not an individual, you are part of a constantly evolving hive entity, which evolves at an enormous speed. Until not long ago, only the clan mattered. the survival of the tribe was the only value. any act that collaborated with this was good, if it went against it, it was evil. later, of the city, of the nation, of the empire, and it seems that now, of the species. humanity is a collective mind in constant and fast evolution. any act that pushes that mind in the direction it wishes to take is good, against it, evil.

The thing is that the experience that is happening is like a hologram superimposed on reality. You are not the hologram, you are reality, but you identify with the hologram and it seems solid. you have to break its solidity, realize reality, which is infinity, and realize that you are that and that the you you thought you were is a fiction. Everything else about knowing things is very good but it is simple curiosity, like knowing about politics or biology. spirituality is realizing your true nature and then identifying with it, making the hologram transparent full time. It is not easy but it is not that difficult either, and for anyone on this forum, interested in spirituality, it should be a must to reach that point.

Who me? I increasingly think that the problem with psychedelic revelations is that they are corrupted by the presence of the human self. faded but present. you are a creation, what appears as god dreaming the reality is you having a psychedelic trip believing that you are dreaming reality, but it is the other way around, it is reality that is dreaming (creating) you. Reality is what you are and it's impersonal and unlimited. You have to dissolve the self to realize the reality. Reality is not dreaming, is happening. I mean, there is not the reality, or god aka you, in one side, doing something (dreaming), with a result: the cosmos aka the dream. There is the infinity happening, and within the infinity, you are, and within you, the infinity is.

Yes, sometimes it seems that what Leo is looking for are insights, to later translate them to the conceptual mind and expose them, then people believe them, just like those who read the Koran, believe what it says. The problem for believers is that Leo is modifying his cosmology. A year ago everyone here was talking about solipsism, everyone thought that the people they saw on the street were robots with no experience of their own. now it seems that it is not like that, so nobody talks about it. If you doubted the solipsistic dogma you were classified as something very negative: not awake. now it is not a problem because nobody is awake because what you have to achieve is the alien awakening, so nobody accuses anyone of not being awake. It is a little more democratic perhaps. but a bit crazy isn't it?