Breakingthewall

divine channeling, I'm glad you realized If we talk about the new testament, they are completely different. The New Testament requires you to renounce your ego and love. It all comes down to one thing: love God and the others humans. The last will be the first, the prostitutes, the outcasts of the earth, etc. In short, bare your heart, open yourself to God. It doesn't matter what you do, in the end you will be forgiven. Islam commands you things and prohibits things to make you a kind of functional cog in a society dedicated to the expansion of that code. It is a kind of virus, which, through severe punishment and generous reward, possesses individuals and turns them into robots of Islam.

That's the old testament. It is supposed to be the old alliance between humans and God, with Jesus the new alliance begins, which invalidates the previous one. According to Islam, the Quran is written directly by God channeling through Muhammad, who was illiterate. God moved his hand to write it, and it is the word of God, literally. Sufis are something strange because they contradict the Koran quite a bit. they are prohibited in Iran if Im not wrong. If Muslims said: the Koran is symbolic, a parable suitable for the time of Muhammad, but it must be interpreted and recontextualized, then it could evolve, but it does not, it is the direct word of God and must be obeyed. Actually, the real good Muslims are the jihadists, that's the problem. and many Muslims know it and respect jihadists

It is logical that they say that, Ibn Arabi says that all religions are equally true, I don't know how it has lasted because that is blasphemous. Christianity and Islam are different. Christianity says that you forgive your debts, be poor, love God and your enemies, in short, abandon your ego, and you will enter the kingdom of heaven that is be with god. Islam tells you not to eat pork, not to drink alcohol, pray 5 times, do jihad, treat your slaves and your women well, and after death you will have servants, you will drink from gold cups and you will wear gold embroidered clothes. Otherwise, molten lead will be poured down your throat for eternity. I would say that Christianity points to the truth. It is a religion almost impossible to carry out, like Buddhism, since it requires abandoning the ego. Islam is easy, just act as you are told, but it does not point to any truth. It is just seduction

Do you think it is an evolutionary process? What I see is that Islam really is like that, and that a true believer is someone who believes what the Koran says. internet has given a voice to true believers, and they are attracting more and more people. You have spoken with believers and you have not been convinced, but weaker minds are seduced by the literalness of Islam, its sacredness. Islam exudes sacredness, its descriptions of paradise, its severe punishments, make simple people seduced. For example In the Koran it is said that in paradise you will have servants around you all the time serving you in golden cups. pure seduction

That's interesting, I would like to know more about it, since it seems that the Koran, being written directly by God, does not allow interpretation, it is literal, but on the other hand mystics like Ibn Arabi are totally openess. Sure, but the important thing is not those who have gone to fight in a war, obviously very few people will go voluntarily to that, but how many sympathize with that cause.

It's a misunderstanding. It happens when you realize the infinite. There is still duality, you perceiving the infinite. If you break all the barriers and let go of the self and are one with the infinite, there is no loneliness, there is only the infinite. Absolute freedom. it is not imaginable

I think there will be localized wars, but not a total war. the holy nukes prevent it. All wars in history are always to gain something. If the atomic arsenal is released, no one wins. look at the history of humanity, war after war, without pause, until Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Afterwards, the normal thing would have been a confrontation between the US and the USSR, but there was none. Never again has an atomic bomb been dropped on someone.

@Princess Arabia It is not like that, you are not alone, this is an idea, a mental structure, reality is not like that. Infinity is not alone, it is an unlimited ocean, it is not something personal, with a center. Being alone is something personal, since there is a center, the self, that is alone. This is precisely the illusion. There is no center, there is no perceiver of reality who is alone, that is the appearance that must be broken to open to freedom. Freedom is the disappearance of the self, and without self no one is alone, there is only absolute total infinity.

Imagine that they accept and free the hostages. after what? Israel has declared war on Hamas, it cannot stop it because of the hostages. Hamas knows that this proposal cannot be accepted and makes it to show public opinion the evil of Israel. hamas is run by very intelligent people it seems

Of course there are many moderate Muslims, but it is a fact that the Muslim world is becoming radicalized, 10 years ago in Morocco there were less women with hoods than now. The normal Muslim, the average guy on the street, was more indifferent to religion and the repressive customs of Islam 25 years ago than today. I don't know what the cause is, I guess it's a mix between the Internet and wars. Islam is a very clear religion that leaves no room for interpretation, it tells you what you have to do and warns you that otherwise you will go to hell, and if you obey you will go to paradise. Both are described explicitly, without abstractions. Islam is explicit, not abstract, so the internet has made many see what Islam really is, and many people believe in it and truly fear hell and desire paradise.

There are many problems with the Islamic people in Mali, Nigeria and more places, although I doubt that they care about Israel. Many European jihadists are Moroccan, like those who blew up trains in Madrid in protest against the invasion of Iraq.

The Islamic people see everything as a competition, the Islamic team against whatever team, and they cheer for their team. A way to cheer is to stab people downtown and stuff. For them everything is wounded pride, it is a primitive ideology, like that of the Christians of the year 1300. It is a problem for coexistence in Europe, at any time in Holland or France a party will win that has in it's program of banning mosques, considering Islam a toxic ideology, submission of women, etc, so The muslims will react, and perhaps there will be a very serious crisis

yes, it's that's how it is. Israel is an expansionist and aggressive country, if it were not, it would not exist. which would be much better for everyone, but the fact is that it exists. a great misfortune for those around him, this is always the case when a bubble of life emerges in the middle of any place . The question is what to do to soften their impact as much as possible, since making them disappear is not an option. The unpleasant thing about Israel is that it is new with an old identity, it is something strange, not natural. some kind of aberration that needs the support of US and that causes great imbalance around it and that tests the supposed morality that underpins Western civilization. Does that moral exist or is it just an excuse, an elegant suit over the usual essence, which is survival?. we will see

It's apartheid because Palestinians cannot vote in the Israeli elections, they also do not have the same rights as the Jews in the occupied territories, they can be abused and murdered with almost impunity. But in the vote issue it cannot be any other way because otherwise Israel would disappear, and if they are allowed to be a sovereign state, you are creating a sovereign state whose basic principle is your destruction. It's one thing to be good and another to be stupid. If the problem were simple, it would already be solved, but it is extremely complicated. If we add to that that so many years of fight produce more and more fanatical Jews, the problem is impossible. Foreign mediation, especially Muslim, is essential, like what Saudi Arabia tried to do, and Iran prevented, to avoid war on a larger scale

If Israel were not expanding, it would be the party that is completely right in this conflict, but by expanding it justifies Hamas as legitimate defense. The big problem is that it cannot stop expanding because it seems that it is full of Jewish fanatics who have the project of a great Israel with biblical borders. This equates both sides as aggressive fanatics.

I mean to displacing the Palestinian population and building new settlements for Jewish settlers. It is an aggressive attitude that seems to have the goal of taking over the entire West Bank at some point. It is true what you said about allowing a Palestinian state. war between the two countries would be almost certain, but stole their land legitimate the terrorism

It is a totally valid point of view. The problem is to continue colonizing the West Bank day by day. How is this justified?

That happened in 1947. Is it a reason to continue occupying their lands now? How do you justify expansionism in the West Bank?

@Nabd I just read about the Sabra massacre that nadbd mentioned before where 3000 Palestinian civilians were murdered by christians, rapes, children with crushed heads, castrated men, scalp. nothing new. Well yes, the fact that the images have been diffused. I have had an emotional and hateful reaction quite serious when I saw it, but the reality is that it is something absolutely common

I don't think so. It is not known how Israeli soldiers will behave in a real war scenario. They are normal guys born in a first world country, with all the comforts, with a lifetime of possibilities ahead of them, not fanatics eager to go to paradise. Getting them into an ambush war in a city can go wrong, although they may behave bravely, it's impossible to know. Better to pave the way as much as possible

probably. Hamas plays with Israel as if it were a puppet. They are doing exactly what Hamas want. If they intend to scare Hamas with violence, it is impossible, since this is their objective, the more deaths the better, more radicalization, more evident Israeli evilness in front of the world. I bet they will free the hostages at some point and they will say: they treated us politely, they just want the freedom of Palestine. The guy organizing all this seems like a smart demon.

disappearance of Gaza, return of the occupied territories, economic compensation to Palestine and closure of borders.

The question is whether that alternative is going to eliminate Hamas. another alternative is selective elimination, very difficult, but at least it doesn't destroy a city without any results. There are 2.5 million people. What are you going to do with them? How do you know who is from Hamas? who is going to tell you? I know that Israel must do something, it cannot remain passive, but I don't know what would be best.

I don't think Israel knows what it is doing, they are improvising in a situation of trauma that is softening as the days go by. They saw the need for an immediate and strong reaction, but as time goes by, minds become balanced and they will see that the destruction of Gaza is useless and works against them. We will probably see a cessation of bombing soon. It would be the most reasonable thing since it will only bring them problems without any benefit, and the scale of revenge is already more or less balanced.

This is similar to the towers. The Islamists, with minimal expenditure, stir up the hornet's nest and then sit back and wait. The stupid bear begins to blow at everyone except them, who laugh watching it and see its objectives achieved: radicalization of Islam, division, war.