Breakingthewall

I would say that Leo probably has realized the absolute infinity with psychedelics, but that doesn't matter, for him this is a competition and he will never admit that a rival is right. never. Whatever you do and whatever you say, he is going to look for the weak point, and he is really going to believe that you are deceived and that you are an ugly, stupid and miserable clown, because never, impossible, never, could he say: well yes, osaid, or anyone is awakened, and look, I would say that he has reached deeper levels than me in the spiritual dimension. nor osaid, nor buddha, nor christ nor all the mystics of india together. forbidden. They are all fagots clowns full of shit, seems that he needs that. It's weird, if you really realize the absolute you want that another people realize too, because it's wonderful, you want to share it, and you want that other people go deeper, to get inspired in them . If you really broke your ego, you can't be obsessed about being the best anymore

you deny the possibility of understanding. Understanding is not deductions made by the logical mind, it is realizations that occur in the breadth of silence, and which are then translated into conceptual language. When you say that reality is simple, it is obvious that you have not been able to penetrate anything in reality, and you think that mysticism, deep understanding, is something simple, a eureka, realizing that there is no self, or those things. You are wrong, there is another dimension that you not even suspect. Its obvious in the absence of depth of your speech. You are skating in the ice of the surface. Break it and dive. You just have to break yourself

You are not alone, and don't want to scape. I said before that about god just as an metaphor, by observing what life is, and because I took a puff of weed and I had that inspiration, but probably it was a silly quote. There is just the reality flowing, god is not something, it can't be alone, it can't want to escape. Just drop the self totally and you will realize.

God doesn't care about suffering, He gives his son to torture without problem. He loves the pain. It is deep and delicious in flavor. God smiles in the face of torture, terror and despair. Do you dare to say: God, give me a little horror, give me despair, give me sadness? let me dance a little with kali. That's God, he's not afraid of anything. He is reckless, ambitious, alive.

As Romans said, vae victis. There is only one possibility: success

Btw , the total absolute infinity is not love, is just the total absolute infinity. You can't think in it, you can't talk about it, just make yourself soft enough to have those openess sometimes. You have to drop yourself in the nothingness, you can't keep your greed with you.

?we dare to cross the limits of sanity

@mindcentral nice to read a smart mind

Enlightenment is the end of the thing, is to realize the total absolute infinity. After that you could realize the depth of the cosmos, but if the total absolute opens and reveals to you, and you become that, that's it.

Enlightenment as is described here is not false , it's limited to one dimension, the dimension of the quality. They say that they realize the true nature of reality, it's essence. It could be real, right? Why you don't admit it? Maybe someone realize the quality of reality full time more deeper that you, but you can penetrate in the depth of what reality is much more deeper that they. Imo enlightenment is límited but not false.

I understand what do you mean with enlightenment and I think it's legit, the true nature of existence, be open now of what this moment is, but there is more, we are the total existence, we can penetrate to the bottom of the flow, the cosmos, we are in a great thing, it's not an idea or a deceit, it's the reality, and I'd say that Leo is pointing that, but he does is a very difficult way to understand, at least to me

Just suggesting that anyone here wants to follow anyone else, including you, doesn't make sense. We have to open ourself to reality and see. All that terminology, love, truth, god, is limiting. and Ralston is limited, absolutely. only his position on psychedelics demonstrates this without a doubt. So, why were you being charitable and saying that he was awake when it is obvious that he is limited, that he has a limited idea of enlightenment?

There is no god who has forgotten that he is god, there is existence existing. A plant does not suffer anything, and does not have to forget or remember anything, it is just in all its enormous complexity, the same as you, only without a structured mind that wonders things. To say: God is dreaming a dream and the result is this reality, it seems to me to put in one part a god who does things, in another the fact of doing things, and in another the result of that action. That can't be like that, it's a wrong idea. The only god there is is reality now, it has never forgotten anything, reality is being without any type of forgetting. The fact is that you are operating from a conceptual processor that uses a system called logic to ask things doesn't mean anything, just that there is that operating system. stop it and reality manifests itself, and reality doesn't care whether you forget or not, it is not playing games, it is self-creating because that is its nature.

The pattern of existence that you are now is broken and infinity remains. By logic, if now a pattern of existence is being experienced, there will be other patterns of existence, and if there are others, there will be infinities, if not there will be none. so the infinity will be redefined in a pattern, I suppose based on the previous pattern configuration. everything is something like infinity extracting things from infinity creating functional and stable patterns. I wouldn't say that it is something that is done with an intention like: I am God and I am going to do something fun. but a characteristic of reality without limits, a cycle that begins in the simple, increases in complexity until reaching a point where it probably restarts infinitely, but each time in a different way, without limit, always. unimaginable, since it is infinite

no man, that's not understanding, it's a mental shortcut that suits you. If you are against understanding, it's ok, you can be happy without it, but don't ridicule something that is very real. The reality is extremely complex, you are extremely complex, don't you perceive it? If you don't, it's just because your understanding is low?, but changing if for sarcasm is a defense. Try to understand, just for fun, and because it's a tool for freedom

Well, the relative self is not a concept, it's the absolute límited by concepts. If you remove all the conceptual stuff, all the barriers, the absolute remains. Everything conceptual is not there on a whim, it exists because it has a real basis, if they hit your finger with a hammer it hurts. the configuration of the pattern of existence that we are creates mental structures to avoid further hammer blows. Whoever creates a concept is not another concept, it is the structure that you are, formed by millions of years of evolution. So it's the life who creates a concept, or if you prefer, God

If you look at the beings that exist, I would say that the majority live in a state of great happiness and only suffer at specific moments. Humans suffer much more because we are in a process of accelerated evolution. Humanity evolves in 1000 years than any living being in millions, therefore its suffering is thousands of orders of magnitude greater. But I suppose that there will be many beings with a very high level of happiness, and that humans in the future will reach those levels. the work we are doing is the key

Yes, the relative self can do a lot of things, and have a lot of self control. The relative self is a survival tool, the only problem is that is source of suffering, it is an entity that grows like a cancer, because the exponential evolutionary development of the human mind makes it acquire an enormous size, and with enormous fears and attachments. We are here trying to take the next evolutionary step, the transcendence of the relative self, because we have reached an unbearable point. We are almost all people with a hyperdeveloped relative self, which has led us to a dead end. the trap of the ego, a race of obstacles and suffering that leads to old age and death. wtf? scam. so the rat in the maze frantically looks for the exit

There is the absolute, the existence. You could call it "you"if you want, but it isn't a you because a you is in opposition of what it's not you, and the absolute is the absolute, no more. If you say: I am the absolute, who is saying that is the relative self. Ultimately it's not false, but the absolute don't say: I am the absolute, just is absolute. Only the relative self make definitions

The relative you, yes.

You are not a though, your sense of the self is a sistem of thoughs. It's different, thanks for the correction

I mean with self the one who wants, desires, fears, likes, dislikes, decide, is bored, etc

The human is a puppet of the thought. Millions of humans can run into machine guns shooting for a thought. The thought is the manifestation of the genetic intelligence of a species, it really is the voice of life that forces you to follow a direction. It's pure evolution

I think that You can't decide it. You have no power over your thoughts, since you are your thoughts, you are made up of them. when thoughts cease, the self disappears. the breadth of existence remains. The one who decides what to do with the thoughts is the self, without self no one decides anything. and the self cannot decide not to listen to certain thoughts since the self is a structure created by the mental flow that creates the conceptual bubble, aka the world. your mental world, which drinks from the mental world of those around you, the product of thousands of generations of evolution of the collective mind.

I believe that what we can do, and with extreme difficulty and deep understanding and great courage, is to let go of the conceptual mind. To do this we must really accept death, now, without reservation. The conceptual mind is extremely powerful. Imagine that now your doctor calls you and says: metastasis. What would you do with the thought "metastasis"? How would you handle it? Although that is not going to happen today, the fact that if it would happen it would be irresistible means that you are still (me yes at least) largely in the conceptual mind, at some level. Do not underestimate its power or the depth of its ramifications.