Breakingthewall

Thought does not have to be associated with language or logic. equating thought with language is a mistake. thinking is processing, language is a basic processing tool. true thought is a silent mental process, and language is the primitive manifestation of those processes. thought is understanding. Bacteria understand nothing, dogs understand something, humans can understand much more. Everything?. thought is not conceptual, nor is it entirely memory. in fact, memory is something that is happening now. All this that I am saying are thoughts, but they are not articulated as a result of an analysis made at a verbal level, but by direct comprehension. This understanding is more or less deep, but it is direct, not the result of a self-dissertation of hours with logical additions and subtractions.

there is something that happens with the 5meos, is that they cause a great energetic expansion. If you do not allow that expansion to happen, it is as if it remains blocked. once I did 5meo and that happened to me, I had great pain in my fingers and toes and for 2 days I had muscle spasms in my legs. One night I couldn't sleep from the continuous spasms, I concentrated on it, let it out, I had 4 or 5 powerful energy discharges, several seconds each. automatically the spasms completely disappeared

I don't think he means survival, obviously though is extremely useful to survive. Yes, agree, What I was saying is that perhaps mental activity, thought, can expand, equalize with the unlimited and function on that frequency. when you access unlimited states it is because you have gotten rid of the barriers that thought creates, but something else. it is an energetic expansion, not only mental. a dog does not think but does not access states of mystical ecstasy. then, once those states are normal for you, perhaps you can configure your thought activity. after all, as humans we are the absolute thinking. it seems that the absolute wants to think. all these are thoughts, of course

that is the dilemma. thought is an obstacle but at the same time, something tells me that it can be used to understand reality, that the mind can be reconfigured and expanded, that's why we can think.

??? Sure, to hang out with the cool kids in class. Apart from those pimps, I see that just below, very close, is what I'm looking for. I have already seen it , I want to see it more, completely, the unthinkable. we will see

Ha, but you answered But here.... Of course, you are right. But what is it? Are you here and now open, without limitations? It is what is, of course. No, you are right, it's all mental garbage, but it's extremely difficult to open up to the abyss of existence and not make stories. it's addictive. I try to take my mental processes along "clean" paths, that is, understanding what is relative, but it is difficult to draw the line

If we want to open ourselves to the now, we must leave behind the need to conceptualize, to understand with the logical mind. It is an acquired habit that is very difficult to leave, the logical mind needs to hold on to everything, dissect it. It can't, it's an obstacle. the only thing that the logical mind must understand is that reality is not logical, therefore, it cannot capture reality. works in one dimension and reality is in another. There is nothing to do

Well said, great message. is something that must be internalized. the conceptual mind is cunning and always wants to take control, it always finds how

what is spiritual work for you? is something? what do you want? do you do psychedelics? meditation? Is your openness to infinity or has it been real, complete?

@Bazooka Jesus so what about you?

what I want is to make my finite conceptual mind so flexible that it allows the opening to infinity on a daily basis. I have gone from a rigid mind, to a mind capable of doing psychedelics, and lately to openness to infinity in a sober state. maybe I'm wrong, since all this is very subjective, but I perceive the finite mind as a prison. I have the undoubted need to get out of it. Every minute of the mental process is aimed at making the mind more flexible, allowing it to open up. I understand that this is dangerous, since after opening yourself to infinity, the mind begins to create structures. the psychedelic path is subtle, you have to be careful not to get confused and conceptualize. The goal is not to create a mental framework that is understanding itself, it is to create a mental framework that allows for openness, which is being and understanding.

the mind with which you are thinking is the relative mind. It works by putting some things in relation to others. it is limited, therefore it cannot understand the unlimited. you have to break the limits of your mind to understand, that is, to become infinite. which I try all the time. when you are infinite, being=understanding, because there is no such thing as you understanding something, there is infinity, and it is not translatable to the finite mind. is another frequency. Moksha is right when he says that you should discard your thoughts as invalid. what moksha and bazooka do not understand is that I do not use thoughts to define reality, I use them to soften the barrier of the finite and become infinite. I also use drugs for it. why do I do this? because it is reality

@Bazooka Jesus As bazooka said, you can't understand the infinity, you just can be the infinity, but be is understand.

How do you know that? how far have you come? how? you can explain? It is true that from the finite mind it cannot be understood, what is tried is to expand that mind to infinity. btw, I continue with my little war with 5 meo. this time, rupture to the absolute total. It is not that I have seen the absolute, it is that I have been the absolute, without a trace of me. It has been: infinite emptiness, nothing. I already know this experience. nothing. This is the last frontier, now if I do it again it opens up. that's all. it takes a lot of courage since the experience of being absolutely empty is terrible. It is the most unnatural, the strangest possible. is to violate the gates of enlightenment and receive the stick. This is what I mean by understanding. what is existence? Lets see tomorrow. I want to become absolute without fear and problem and I'm going to do. Empty or full is the same, the thing is to become absolute, break the limits totally.

It's not the same to know or to understand. You cannot know infinity, but we will see to what extent it can be understood. You have said before that differences between first order reality, THIS, as you have said, and second order reality, thoughts that arise in this, which are real insofar as they exist but not in their content. that is an understanding. Do you think that is the final understanding of reality?

I don't know if it exists or not, i meant that the mystics of any time elaborated concepts according to their perceptions. It is one thing to open up to the absolute, and another to try to understand what this trip is, the existence in which we are. I don't remotely understand it but I think it's legitimate to do so, and probably possible.

My body is infinite, because it's just a shape in the infinity, an appearance. it seems finite because you are trapped in the form, so you perceive the change of form as the end of something. the body is existence, like everything else. it is part of this experience. this experience is existence and therefore infinite. what is in it, for example the body, is irrelevant, changing appearances.

Infinity means that nothing is finite, it only seems so. Any partition of infinity is infinity. very accurate the poem of the doors of perception, Blake. If the doors of perception were opened, reality would reveal itself as it is: infinite. but the man has locked himself in the walls of his cave. opening the doors of perception is the work we are doing. It is not easy, since as the poem says, the human has had the opposite tendency since it exists. fear has driven him to it

The thing is, I can't help but follow in the footsteps of the beloved and revered leader. not that I'm impressed by him or his number one fan, but i ve to admit that he opened a path. I don't even watch the videos, spirituality in general is extremely boring to me, but....5 meo dmt. the great riddle. I have to open it! I can not stop. that my brain ends up like a raisin? Well, don't seems so for now. I'm going to do it until I open everything totally. did you ask me about my mind status? Today I have spent a morning of great calm and delight, I have returned home at 2:00 p.m. psyched up for the opening and I have prepared 15 mg. my acceptance is total. It has been breakthrough but not full opening. that is to say, it has been the total void. This 6 months ago terrified me, today with complete calm. the sunlit specks of dust were the utter beauty of existence. suddenly, an opening. almost, just an instant. I know what it is, I've achieved it (because you have to achieve) 3 times. infinity, life, everything, unimaginable, god. Hallelujah. but the door immediately closes. it is a process of acceptance, of letting go, of not resisting. I have been tempted to put more in the pipe, or get up, to escape from it. I have not done it. I'll have something light, a walk through the center of the city and then I think I'll do it again. and tomorrow again and probably on Sunday. after a week off. I don't want to see something, I've already seen it. I want to educate my being to open up completely, and for me this is the way to do for now.

The reality is non conceptual, but the mind is conceptual and we have a mind, then, we must equalize the mind as much as possible with reality, we cannot get totally rid of the mind. but I agree with you that there is a tendency towards an excess of concepts, it is difficult to be at the right point. as soon as you exceed, the mariachis appear

I am , the reality is open and without limitations. Flow. So, couldn't not write anything else, I don't need to, but in another hand my mind can enters easily another frequency and wants to structure, define, understand. this imo is useful because it restructures the mind. the mind is a barrier, it constricts. the work is to create a mental structure that constrains as little as possible. there are no shortcuts to this, you have to understand how it works. the software we have in hand is not simple. simplifying it doesn't work. this is my deduction. wrong? maybe but I don't think so

you can function from a silent and open state, understand things and then reason them out and put them into words. For example, when Buddha says that there is a reincarnation cycle, is he doing mind masturbation?

That is your vision, and in my opinion it is wrong. I function from the emptiness of the mind, I promote the openness to the present as much as possible, I am in an open state almost all the time, in the extent that i can for now. more and more every day, and then, sometimes, I write my impressions of what reality is in this forum. Obviously, I don't write the infinitely repeated word Ohm, but concepts. you do not like it? don't you approve? does it seem bad to you? Maybe it's due to lack of understanding. Consider the possibility. Of course i write a lot of wrong things, i use this forum to reconfigure my frame mind, not to teach, I'm using you guys, with your permission

I know, i just answered a comment about comparisons, nonsense The thing is to look at reality directly, without filters, to merge with it and realize what this moment is, without holding on to mental handholds. being without limitation, reality flowing. the problem is that anything else is misery. obstacles must be removed, courage must be total. And here come the psychedelics. they are a perfect way of surrender. But of course, not a must for everyone. About the understanding of the cosmos, it's not about enlightenment, it's just extremely interesting. Maybe it's possible to understand very deep, why not?

@Nevar don't worry about the end of the mystery, the reality is infinite, and this is a mystery by definition.