Breakingthewall

They are not the same, there is a difference: the ego, that important thing that wants to understand things, when a rat corpse has an infinite level of consciousness, or a hydrogen molecule, everything has it, you just have to leave the linear language of the ego, which is limited, therefore it is zero. The ego is an illusion, and its level of consciousness is an illusion, that is, it does not exist. the level of consciousness of reality is total, there are no intermediate levels, only ego levels, and level 1 is the same as the billion level compared to the infinite level, they are nothing, they are illusory levels

Who has degrees of consciousness? You? What you, god or the ego? What is the level of consciousness of a dog? very low? Sure, his ego has a low degree of consciousness, but the dog, as a being, is the entire existence creating an unimaginably complex pattern of experience out of nothing. The dog's level of consciousness is infinite, like everything else. It is your ego that has levels of consciousness, and all its levels are zero, since they are not infinite. There is only one way to increase your level of consciousness, by removing the ego, not by increasing its understanding.

that's how it is. What leo does is the scientific approach. On the one hand there is him, on the other the absolute reality, God, and on the medium the research instruments, the psychedelics. With them he looks into infinity, perhaps very deeply, and returns to take notes. It's interesting. Another thing is to try to maintain a permanent openness to infinity, to become one with it, so with yourself and leave the ego. then you must put aside the need to understand, since this need creates duality between you and reality. If you want openness, you must understand that you already understand everything, whoever does not understand is the ego and the ego is nothing. Feeding the ego with new understanding can be fun, but it's pretty useless for him ,but on the other hand, Leo's approach is extremely useful for people to open themselves to spirituality, because it speaks to the ego from the ego about God. Nobody had done this, and it is revolutionary.

I said that no one can teach you anything about the absolute, just about the traps of the relative mind .

I don't know what attacks you're talking about, maybe you are imagining. I spoke about openness to the reality that we are, that's non conceptual.

There comes a time, and quite soon, when no one can teach you anything for the simple reason that you do not function at a conceptual level, words are nothing, you only share for the pleasure of doing so. Of course I am self-taught, once you leave the conceptual level, only you are left. I don't say it in the sense that others don't exist, but that you are reality, you can only open yourself and see. what others say about the absolute reality is completely indifferent. Could be interesting what others say about the traps of the mind, but ultimately is you who have to realize those traps

Im not looking for teachers, just to talk with people who think by themselves and who are serious in the intention of opening themselves to the reality

I think that Leo is focused on increasing the depth of understanding of the ego. That is, look for mystical states to translate them into the language of the ego and thus have a deeper and more insightful ego. the mystical state is a means, not an end, and the psychedelic is the tool. Discarding meditation for me is the symptom that what you really want is an intelligent, deep ego, with a high level of understanding. If you see meditation as something fundamental, it is because what you want is to dissolve the ego. the end is not greater understanding but greater openness. You are not looking for specific depth but permanent breadth. In total breadth is total understanding: no limits. you can't translate it into the linear language of the mind, or so I think at the moment. we will see

I don't think so, if it were here it would be easily recognizable. It is true that he was a bit repetitive but perhaps it would have evolved. I understand that it is frustrating that there are people who are not at all open to new ideas, but maybe they will change, and in any case, there is little to choose from, there are very few people who are serious about spirituality

So what it means? That everything that is is love because if not it wouldn't be? Sounds logic, but is reality that? Not sure. A lot of logic construction in spirituality. I try to forget all of them.

Yeah you also could say that reality is joy, or freedom. It is the feeling you have when you free your mind. but is reality really free? Or is it just a feeling that you, the self, have when you free yourself from attachment and fear, and structures?

If that's true, and you really can let go everything, you will agree about that saying that reality is love is wanting to enclose reality in a concept, and that is exactly what illusion is. You can say: when I say love it is not a concept, it is LOVE, which is not human love. That means absolutely nothing. Love is a word used to indicate a feeling towards aspects of life that we like, that fill us with a positive feeling. babies, nature, etc., in contrast to other things that don't, like sewers full of dead rats, cancer or the torture of children. So saying reality is love, for me it just means putting barriers on reality, compartmentalizing it, locking it in a mental structure. the true tao cannot be said, it seems like a good phrase to me

There was a guy you banned in the thread about "only I'm awake", I don't remember the name, he was a guy who said he had had a very hard life, zero love, absolutely serious about spirituality, several Vipassana retreats, 6g doses of mushrooms, etc. . a guy who lived without working almost because he had been successful in business, with a daughter who was only a few months old, who said he was enlightened, and repeated perhaps too much that God is a story of the mind. Let's see, how many people in the world are that serious? Do you think it's the best idea to ban him? Do you want to have a forum of people who repeat things? I miss serious people here. you do not? although they say differently. We have to approach serious people, they can give us something. The others are not going to contribute anything.

I don't know what love is. Just a word. Why so much attachment to words? They only have the meaning you want to give them. They are barriers, structures. That if you don't realize that reality is love/god/etc, it's wrong. first forget the words, then realize what reality is. It is indefinable. It seems that you are attached to your mind, to concepts, stories. If you don't delete them all, you will only have more stories.

Those are phrases created by the conceptual mind that are not true. who says: I am god, it is not god, it is the self, which is an illusion, it is a survival software that believes it exists. It is nothing more than superimposed structures. an evolutionary creation of reality. the other sentence: because you don't want, bla bla, It shows great confusion and lack of understanding, it mixes the relative mind with absolute reality. All those ideas are barriers. If you hold on to them you will never be free

Then why the word love?

All of this is a mental twist to fit the idea that reality is love, that a medieval ax battle where the survivors are impaled is love. I think it is better to erase the label "love" and open yourself to the reality of existence without needing to fit into corsets or concepts. The concept "love" is a barrier, as any other concept.

The issue of understanding is confusing because the one who wants to deepen understanding is the conceptual mind, the self. reality is already total understanding. A tree is infinite understanding, otherwise it could not be a tree. the linear understanding of the conceptual mind is just a function of reality, like photosynthesis. Only this conceptual mind thinks that it has the mission to understand, when if it turns off, the understanding would be total. The problem is that complete understanding cannot be translated into the linear language of the conceptual mind. in fact, the functioning of the conceptual mind veils total understanding. It continues to exist, but in the background, veiled by the structured functioning of the conceptual mind. There is no evolution of the conceptual mind towards truth, there is the mind's understanding of its place, and the mind's ability to depart completely. then total understanding happens. but you can't grab it with your mind. Thinking that you can evolve in understanding of the absolute is a mistake, your understanding will always be either limited or total. There is no middle ground. What is possible is to evolve in understanding what is relative in order to be able to deactivate it at will.

Its difficult to say because maybe those who say that they have had that non-conceptual vision in a mystical state and what they say is the best way to express what they experience, or perhaps they are inventing by superimposing stories from their mind on the experience. For me personally, nothing makes me say: I am God imagining reality.

exactly, the only real understanding is being. The whole structure attached to it means absolutely nothing. is this scary? does it make us sad? Is it too... empty? To the ego this seems like real shit. he wants a monumental structure. Just being seems limited to him, but it's the other way around. If the self dissapear, being is now revealed as unlimited. but the moment you interpret it, it is limited.

For example, if you are in a state without structure, of total openness, you cannot know: I am immortal. It is impossible because that implies a self, and the possibility of being mortal vs immortal. Those are constructions of the mind, you can think of them from the finite state, but not from the infinite state. In the infinite state there is no structure. there is no opposition or definition. but then you go back to the finite state and you understand things. It's just that those things that you say don't mean anything because they are finite. It is difficult, leo says that there is a deep non-conceptual understanding, and I think it is possible, maybe tomorrow I will reach a degree of openness that makes me see what is like that, or maybe Leo is wrong, a misunderstanding of reality. Would be great if he's right and more clarity and depth is possible.

Exactly, you have to understand the trap totally, The trap has several levels, it is a work of art as a trap. a labyrinth. But there is a exist of the labyrinth: drop the self

Yeah but It is easy to take the wrong path and get trapped in your mind, it is a sticky web, it hooks you in one place or another. The path is not a path, it is you trapped in a spider web believing that you are moving forward on a path, until one day you let go of the spider web. It is an enigma that requires passion. The traps of the mind are very subtle, you have to be totally honest with yourself to see them.

For me it is not like that but maybe Im wrong. For me there is something essential to do: openness. I perceive that I am involved in a cycle and I am completing a stage. My mission is to settle into this experience, open myself to it completely, and open myself to the infinite now as much as I can. Perhaps this sense of mission is wrong because it implies a compulsion to go further. more opening, until reaching a total opening. What I said before about understanding has a qualification, openness is in some way understanding. it is silent and inarticulate, indecipherable by the software of the structured mind. If openness can go further, that understanding can also go further.

Understanding is an illusion. You cannot understand anything because the you that wants to understand is an illusion. Reality does not need to understand anything, you are not an envoy of reality to, with your sharp mind, understand it. reality is understood well enough to create the infinite cosmos with its infinite cycles. Do you want to reach level 200? so that? if the level there is is infinite and that is already the case. The only thing you can do is open yourself to infinity and forget any ambition to know or understand because it is either total or zero. Is it going to be total as long as you are a human? Otherwise it will be zero. there are no levels.