Breakingthewall

@Water by the River When you say that reality is happening within you, the limitation becomes absolutely obvious. In infinity there is no inside, there cannot be, it would be a limit. don't you understand? When you say a movie is not real, you mean a finite movie. An infinite film contains the total infinity in it, therefore it is the living source of reality. Have you ever opened yourself to the living source? to total intelligence? This is mystical opening, you fall to your knees, cry, say hallelujah and that, but you need to really give yourself. and you realize that your being is veiled for a reason, you would burn, you would die and you would become volatilized. It is the opening of your being, which I speak about and you do not understand and respond: you do that with psychedelics because you are not enlightened and that is why you have fluctuating states. You do not understand the force of reality, for you it is a hologram, you see in 2 dimensions. It's not like that, I guarantee it. Leo comes closer when he says that reality is love. reality is infinite life, infinite power, total joy. open yourself to it and see. But to do it first you have to drop the self into the void, completely, that self that is still strong and hard, the veil, the door that closes.

Yes , I understand you but I see some big flaws in all this. Some basic flaws, spiritual toxicity, dogma. But maybe it's just my perception . I'm waiting for the Leo 2,0 .

That state of being, silent mind, is obvious and all the humans should be there. It's the end of the mental shit, when a human is at the end complete, flowing free, positive, strong. Everything else is sickness. But this doesn't mean that you know a shit about anything, it just mean that you deeply know that you are and what it means. You perceive the flow, the reality that you are. Nothing about creation, god, imaginary reality, etc. But then the real exploration with psychedelic can start.

People is obsessed with god because they need religion to feel balanced, same than humans of all times

The enlightened people use the term enlightenment like knowing what you are, eliminate all mental labels and stay with the essence, with what it is. then you realize that reality is immutable in a sense: it is. that being is reality. Well, you have already settled into the being and then the mind is silent because it has nothing to say about this, there is nothing to say. but then the enlightened guys start saying things like: reality is imaginary, you're dreaming it. I bet they say it because they have read or heard it, tradition. You can be enlightened, that is, outside the logical mind, completely in being, and at the same time be very superficial. I would say Peter Ralston, for me from what I have read, Adyashanty, and many more. You can also know the Buddhist tradition and be suggested by it and begin to create concepts such as reincarnation, etc., without really perceiving anything of it. In short, enlightenment and depth are two different things. I would say that Jesus Christ was enlightened and profound for example, but of the current spiritual writers, are extremely superficial, (well, at least since I know) and they copy from tradition and other writers. enlightened plus psychedelics, that's the combo. Let's see what happens, it there appears people who really go deep

Exactly, well said. At the end the non dualistics enlightened are creating duality all time. The word illusion should be eliminated, same than dreamer.

You stop searching because you already are there, but you star to go deeper . your will changes direction, instead of looking forward look inward. That's why I say that what you are is veiled. Yes, ok, you know what you are, but you cannot penetrate in what you are. This does not mean that you want to see all the aliens and all the multiverses but rather be open to the creative flow, to living intelligence as much as possible. and I would say that this will always be limited in part because the fact of being a concrete structure of existence entails limitation. without limitation is death.

If you want to avoid dualities it's easy: reality is real.

Yes but the atoms are full of intelligence. Then even they seem empty, are full. You could say: yes but the intelligence is the true being, that it's emptiness, so at the end the flower is empty. But the true being is full of being, that is, reality , so at the end the flower is real and infinite, like everything.

@Water by the River think about this: dreamer and dream involves two categories, and also an act of creation. An act of creation implies choice. let's say that the true being says: oh, I'm bored and I'm going to create a pedophile schizophrenic murderer of old women. Yes, I think it's an excellent idea, let's go there. then he gets to work and creates it. The schizophrenic is illusory, a creation, a hologram as you say, and the true being, who has fun with his nice games, is real. This has a clear inherent quality: finitude, the limit between what is real and the imaginary, the limit between what you decide to create and what you do not. This is a mistake, it is impossible. The schizophrenic is not created, but arises spontaneously and inevitably due to the incontestable fact of the absence of limits aka infinity. The schizophrenic is the complete infinite and at the same time a part, it cannot not arise, the cosmos arises without being created since otherwise there would have been a moment without cosmos and then the cosmos, again limitation and finitude. the manifest is absolute, just like the essential.

Then, why do you say that intelligence is an illusion, or life is an illusion? Everything that exist is real because it's the reality. Then you are saying: you are right, about our last conversation. If the true being is infinite, everything is true being, so same real that the true being. There is not dreamer and dream, because if the true being is infinite, all changes have to be necessarily, it's impossible not to be for them ,so the true being could be immutable in it's essence, but always in mutation in it's quality, then mutation, or cosmos, is absolute Who said that psychedelic are the only way? Psychedelics are very necessary for me to break some barrier, but meditation has to happen 24/7 in background and a couple or hours if it's possible in formal meditation. But psychedelic open yourself (yes, I know what do you think about "opening", unreal since isn't stable) to the alive faccet of the infinity, to the infinite intelligence, that, as you admit above, is inherent to the true being.

I was thinking about enlightenment. I would say that enlightenment, as it is assumed to be in the spiritual tradition, is the realization of what you are as an immutable being. This is the beginning of beauty in experience, the end of the search. the being now. but I think they make a mistake that I cannot understand when they say that what changes is secondary, accidental, even imaginary. I think they are deeply wrong, but who knows? ralston, adyashanty, sellig water in the river, enlightened people think that realizing the absolute being is the end of the road, when what is interesting is realizing that what is the absolute being, its quality, its living essence that drives incessant change , intelligence and life that are as absolute as the fact of being. But let's see

Reality is both. The still absolute being and the movement. No one is more real than the other. The change is not lees real because it changes, because in essence it's just change, so it's absolute . The question would be: what the change is?

One thing is realizing what reality is, and another penetrate in what reality is. Yes, I understand what to you mean with enlightened. It is realizing what you are, what always is. what always is is: being. obviously, you always are. This is, let's say, the foundation of beginning to realize what you are. It is the master line, the being without any identification, this, now, what is. Surely, without realizing this, you are lost, in perpetual motion. Being is always now, this moment encompasses everything, it is infinite. Ok, but this moment has depth, and that depth is veiled. The first step is to realize what you are without what arises. then penetrate into the essence, into the quality. It is not just being, it is much more. Intelligence is not within the being, it is the being. life too. They do not occur within the being, they are inherent, and they are deep and alive, as absolute as the being. The change is absolute, same than the immutability, they are the two faces of a mirror, because change is always changing.

your will and your drive are the will and drive of reality. This is reality, what you are, and it does what you do. You exist, you flow like an emergent in the ocean of reality, your conscious will is just the tip of the iceberg, but it is real and creates pressure where it points.

and order coffee in a coffee shop? Because for me, working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for a shitty salary, well... before that, maybe I would opt for prostitution if it was well paid.

Of course, I'm available to be drilled, called liar, insane, deceived, etc, then I would answer trying to develop my position to be understood. I may be completely wrong in everything I say, but two things are certain: what I say comes from direct vision and if it is mental speculation I usually say it, and I don't lie to appear to be more than I am

If you say that for me, you show small perception. I'm zero touchy, I just like to drill in the psyche of the people to see inside them. It's not easy, people have many layers. So some "touches" sometimes are necessary.

What do you mean? For working and that? Of course, but not for , let's say, spirituality. Spirituality is a matter of opening to the real thing. Just removing barriers. The logical mind is necessary at the beginning because we have mental patterns that blocks, but when you can empty your mind easily of ideas about what you are and all of that the thing become more energetic, it's an act. Something like see the face to the abyss and say: yes, kill me. Psychedelics are necessary at first in most cases, then you change little by little your energetic configuration and the door become less solid (Paragraphs, thanks)

Absolutely zero interest. Any teaching is in the realm of the logical mind. I'm not trying to transcend the logical mind, but I can open it at will almost every day and perceive directly, then I hear a guy say things about what I am and so on, and it's like reading a book about how to have sex when every day I spend 3 hours fucking. Anyway, Im not going to argue, I just wanted to correct a bit to waterriver because he is limited since I can perceive and he can confuse the people with this security about being enlightened. So now maybe the people could think....well, maybe he is "enlightened". Much better than: ohh now I know exactly what enlightenment is: I'm imagining the reality, that is a dream

Reality is infinite, this means that it can be said that it is one, since there is not outside , and that it is multiple, since there is no limitation in the Infinite. everything that the infinite "contains" is in turn infinite and contains the infinite. I say contains in quotes because nothing is contained within infinity, since there is no inside or outside. It's infinite, that's it. The direct consequence is that nothing can be finite, any fragment of the infinite is the complete infinite. It is one because there is no other, even "one" is a limited idea, and it is multiple because it has infinite facets that are in turn infinite and are apparently separated but really synchronized and being a whole. They are all "the same" infinity, "the same" doesn't mean any definite, but the substance that arises due de absence of limits, the source, the intelligence alive, the life, the love as leo says ,any word, you can be open to it and perceive what it is. In the end all this comes down to one thing: you are the infinite, simply open your perception and be the total absolute infinite for a few moments. Yes yes, you already are infinite now, but your perception is closed, that is the design. You can't fly, or make your penis grow to two feet long, or break out of your pattern of existence, but you can see and you can open yourself to the flow of the source.

Hahaha good to know.its bit different than:" I admit that some psychedelic can be a great tool to real opening", but it's ok. I can't, I tried, but really make me so bored and almost sick that I can't stand even 5 minutes, the same than 99% of the spiritual content. That Roger tisdell at least was bearable because he talked about real meditation, but massaro is talking about things like: purify yourself of what you are not, etc. neti neti, that is totally misunderstanding in my opinion, he's working in the land of the mind, I'm taking about real opening to the alive infinity. You feel better making some subtle mockery about it, because it's not totally aligned with the tradition? Mistake. Would be better consider that maybe I'm talking in a deeper frequency. Just the possibility. For me it's quite obvious by the way😅. Take Leo's alien thing for example. In my opinion Leo was operating at the, let's say, Buddhist level. That is to say, reality is imaginary, I am the field of consciousness, aka god according to him, and I am the creator of reality, and at a given moment he has had a kind of opening to what is real and is processing it, we will see how. Real/imaginary duality, the same thing you say, the same thing that traditional spirituality says: reality is an illusion. They say that it isn't duality, but it is. You don't realize that this is absolutely toxic, it's a lie. only someone who has not realized the living infinity does not realize the living reality. reality, creation, the cosmos, or whatever you want to call it, is not imaginary, it is absolute. It is as absolute as the infinite void where it occurs, because it does not occur "in" the infinite void, there is no "in" in the infinite, because it is infinite, it is obvious. They are two sides of an infinite coin. The living infinity is the living unfathomable empty abyss, the absolute being is also the cyclical infinite cosmos in eternal evolutionary rotation. There is no one true and one false, there is no something immutable true and something mutable false, there is infinite living, that's it. It's empty because being infinite everything became nothing, just alive existence. It's full because everything arises due the absence of limitations. There is nothing to know, only one thing: open your being completely to the living infinite, be it. not "realize" what you are, but open to what you are. It is not receiving an understanding, an enlightenment, it is an act of opening, taking a step forward and leaving the psyche behind, which is the door that closes, and opening yourself to the unlimited. The unlimited lives as is obvious, it is intelligence and absolute creative power. Openness is to stop closing your being to it and allow it to flow through you and clarify your perception, making it unlimited. Be totally honest, do you perceive some limitation? Is your perception really unlimited? Open to all the dimensions? Because I perceive clearly limitation in you, padawan 🤣🤣. Sorry, jocking, but maybe I'm not 100% wrong, it's a possibility

Just 1 puff to help the opening. You think it's not legitimate right? That's why you use sarcasm to put down what I said, what it says about you?🤔🤔🤔 Well, you think that the substance of existence is an illusion. As do you like old quotes, if I remember correctly Christ said: I am life. It's great to have a mind that can be open to the unlimited, but without a heart that can be open to the real substance that the alive infinity is, it's still sleeping mode. The interesting thing here starts when you are open to the creative power,

@Water by the River you know that you are infinite, but you don't know what infinity is, you didn't open to it. My advice would be....well I'm sure you can imagine. It starts with 5. Not always works but in you case, I would say that surely yes (not one trial, maybe 30 or more). You ve nothing to loose.

No, dream is a definition, dreamer too, you can't being a definition. You are infinite and that's it. Then you open yourself to what infinity means. It's pure life. Change or no change means nothing. It's another frequency, another dimension