Breakingthewall

The witness who observes and lovingly lets thoughts pass is a dual limit.

The thing is, the one who realizes infinite love and all that is the self. If the self collapses and you are one with the flow, and total openness manifests, you are unlimited. The self translates this into infinite love, or whatever

Ok that's true but that's only the superficial layer of the self. If I educate a kid in fear and doubt, for example, the fear and doubt settle within him; he is that, it merge with his body. They are in his posture, in his gaze, in every micro-movement he makes; every time he speaks, in his voice, intonation, rhythm, there is fear and doubt. It's energetically inscribed in their being. So, if that kid, as an adult, manages to stop thinking with meditation techniques, he will be silent, but fear and doubt will continue to exist in his energetic system. As soon as a psychological process begins, for example, a girl on the bus says "hello" to him, a vibration of fear and doubt will occur in him; he will be his nature, without the need for thought or identification.

No self means that there is not a chair, it's just the flow, If there is a chair, there is self, and there is not experience because it implies experiencer, it's just reality flowing I'd like to watch that video.

I think it's obvious what it is, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. It is a relational flow of infinite perspectives, reflections, fluctuations, or contrasts of the unlimited within itself. It is an inevitable unfolding that occurs because it is not contained or limited. It is composed of synchronous, that is, possible, dynamic relationships. Anything that appears is composed of infinite synchronous relationships or relative changes and appears because it can appear, because the totality of the relational flow allows for that possibility.

No self means that the perceptor and the perception are just the form of the flow, doesn't mean that the self dissapear. It is real, as a form in the flow. Btw, it's not the final step. When the flow is without separation, it's nature can manifest. It's opensess without limit, and in that openess the nature of the reality manifests: total, absolute potential. More than potential, totality. The end of the lack, absolute fullness.

But it's not a dream because no one is dreaming it, nor is there anything more real to compare it to. It's simply the reality. It's movement is it's will, its relationship are it's intelligence. It's not that the intelligence is creating it, it is the intelligence. the movement itself is the will. The separation is zero, it's not a creator because the flow is the creator and the creation

What observer, if there is no self? Everything is changing, endless becoming. If you like call it illusory ok, but it's changing always without end, then it's caused by infinite (imaginary) causes and is effect of infinite possibilities. If you call them imaginary ok, but they are. It's exactly the same than real

Let me explain it more simply. Reality is unlimited, and therefore infinite relationships and perspectives occur. They never began, nor do they have an end or limit. Therefore, the flow of reality has infinite causes and infinite possibilities. It is interconnected with infinite relationships, and is what we could call "everything." You could say that the substance that relates is not something, but it doesn't matter; the fact of relating, reflecting, is something, is everything, and it's rised to infinity power

If God wanted something, it would be based on a preference, and this preference would be based on another preference, and so on, infinitely. Then, God would be an infinite chain of preferences, since a preference can only arise from another preference, never from nothing. Reality does not arise from nothing, since doing so would mean that it is originated, that it has a beginning, a limit, and before that limit there is nothing. So there is also an end, a limited reality.

Ok, then Im going to a answer in your place: all that you're saying is illusion, there's no self or flow, nothing has ever happened, there's no one to whom it's happened, this is simply nothingness. Then I answer: What do you mean there's nothing? And if they locked you in a box with 300 rats that haven't eaten in a month, and also piranhas, would you say there's nothing?

I would say that in the flow of reality that is occurring, there is a stable structure, a totally real relational node, which is the self. The flow of reality creates forms of enormous complexity. only observe, listen, and feel what you are. One of those forms is the self, and this self decides to collapse. You can say it's transitory or illusory in the sense that it's not really a center of perception; it's a mirage. Perception itself is a mirage. It's existence existing, but within it there is what we call the self, which makes decisions. These decisions are the flow. There's no difference between deciding and the flow, because it really is the flow. It's not as if the decision is predetermined. at the moment it occurs, that's the flow of reality. It's exactly the same.

What means exactly that the self is illusory? I gave you 3 examples in the other post, the doctor, the accident and the tiger. Where is the difference? For me it's clear that there is no difference, the tiger is same real than the news of the doctor, then, why one is real and the other illusion? The example of the doctor is just an example, a new that is going to create a stable vibration of fear. Another reason could be that your mother didn't love you or anything. That creates a stable vibrational structure that is as real as a tiger. If the self is illusory, the tiger also. Just tell me your perspective, without entering if I'm this or that

The realization of no self, at least for me, it means that you collapse the separation between subject and object, between receiving center and experience. That is, there is no center that receives the information, but rather there is a living flow, and this flow takes the form of a perceiver perceiving. "Perceiving" or being conscious ceases to have meaning since what exists is the flow of reality. Then reality can recognize its nature, since it has broken through the limits. Perceiving becomes equivalent to existing, and with no limitations, the total openness of reality manifests.

But you said that you are omnipotent and you create the dream of reality. Creation needs an intention and an action to achieve a result: the dream of reality. Then you are creating something concrete, so if you are in god mode you could change anything. Why you can't?

I saw God, he was a light of total openness, transparent, limitless, total. It was its face He was also a source from which life emerged, and life was a divine nectar that was total joy, without blemish, without lack, absolutely full. It was its heart He was also a billowing flame emerging from the bottomless depths, dancing with itself in an intricate dance, joyful, sensual. It was its character He was also an infinite unfolding of form, without process, instantaneous, limitless, total. It was its form He was also a flow that flowed ceaselessly, and that flow was called intelligence and will, and they were direct; they didn't create the movement of the flow, they were the movement of the flow.

Yes I do all time, then I write. Without judgement, just description of what happens. done with nonsense for today 😉

first perception happens, then you articulate in thought to write about it

What can be called illusion is that there is a center that perceives reality. This is the configuration of reality now, but both the perceiver and the perception are reality unfolding or flowing. The breaking of the "illusion" is the collapse between subject and object, which equalize in the flow, the incessant becoming. Then reality can see itself without the barrier of illusion, that is, without limit.

If you perceive deep, you can see the intelligence of reality in many layers, the direction of the flow, Its essence, its character, its tendency, its ramifications, how it develops in its countless relationships. perhaps you can see deeper, other dimensions in which you develop in parallel, see its fluidity, like underground currents that join, separate. Perhaps you perceive that the ties that bind you to a certain person come from other planes of reality, from forms of existence that you cannot intuit but that are the cause of this moment developing exactly as it is. Maybe you can perceive what exactly is a relationship, what it means, why you should give this life in a given moment. All that is not conceptual, is deep perception that can be perceived directly

Deep perception is possible. The flow can perceive itself in very deep ways. The real understanding is not conceptual, it starts when the flow of reality is totally free

@Razard86 I was asking a hypothetical question for people who say perceived reality is illusory. If they believe that perceiving themselves as human is an illusion, why do they believe that perceiving themselves as God is real? Why do you think God is imagining perceptions, but for you, God's perception is real? My answer would be: that about the illusions is meaningless, any perception is the reality. The point is that human bias makes you stay in the surface, but the surface is real, as surface. But for those that believe that everything is imagination, why the perception of god is not imagination?

If someone kidnaps your 4-year-old children to sexually exploit them, would you laugh too, because it's innocent pristine perfection? Denying the reality doesn't work, but it's your choice. Reality is what it is, defining it is something that happens in the reality, then can't encompass the reality. "Illusion" is an idea that happens in the actual flow of reality, it can't define the flow, if you don't see this, you can't break the limited perspective

You need definitions in the limited perspective, but if you want to place yourself in the unlimited perspective, definitions are limits. If there is any definition, you are in the limited perspective. The ontology that's needed to make possible locating yourself in the unlimited perspective is a open ontology that makes your structure transparent. The opposition between real and illusion is not open, is limited, closed

Shortcuts doesn't work, forgiveness is nothing if you don't understand how you are closing. The path is not simple, success is not guaranteed