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@Reciprocality I'll admit to having a bit of trouble following what you're trying to say. (You might want to consider using shorter sentences and more direct language to convey your point. For what it's worth, you're in good company at least with the likes of someone like Hegel ). If part of your point is that Reality doesn't consist of discreet objects with fixed boundaries, you'll find no argument from me. I'm well aware that Materialism is ontologically and epistemologically problematic. When you mention epistemology and ontology collapsing in to non-dualism, is your emphasis more that both epistemology and ontology are limited ways of viewing Reality? Or is the emphasis more on the fact that ontology and epistemology are grounded in the same way? Because both seem like reasonable statements. Or is your point more along the lines of : Reality is exactly how it appears? If this is your point, I might disagree, at least to an extent. 'Hard' skepticism seems far less plausible than some version of a shared Reality, even if skepticism can't ultimately be disproven.

I feel the same way. Everything I've seen of Dr.K's work gives me a high degree of confidence that he's acting from genuine intentions. For Mr. Girl, the difference between authentic, provocative self expression and Trolling is hazy line that can be hard to discern. At the very least, it seems to me that he's lacking emotional maturity in some areas, regardless of the fact that behind his abrasiveness can be salient points.

This sort of thing really lares bare the attitude of "Law and Order for thee, not for me", that's implicit to right-wing worldviews. Support "Law and Order" insofar as it doesn't materially impact your life in any way whatsoever, then decry tyranny when your group is treated in a similiar way to marginalized groups that you demonize (such as Black Lives Matter).

Yeah, where Ontology ends and Metaphysics begins can be tricky to pin down. Thinking of Ontology as a study of 'what does and doesn't exist' is a decent rule of thumb, but in practice it can get fuzzy because ontology also deals with the existential character of what things are ( or thier being, to put it another way). In my mind I link Metaphysics to the overall schema of Reality, though even this can get a bit tricky because Reality itself can be treated ontologically (ie what does it mean for something to be a Reality). Unfortunately the field of philosophy hasn't done itself any favors in this regard from spending so much of its history behind the walls of institutions, and not doing more to make itself understandable and relevant to non-specialists.

@Reciprocality Interesting that you bring up those points, since I happen to be reading Being and Time right now, and part of Heidegger's point in that work is that questions of being have largely gone ignored throughout the history of (western) philosophy, treating it as somehow 'self evident' and largely a settled question when it's been anything but. Which is why Heidegger calls the examination of Being the fundamental ontology. You're correct of course that ontology is more encompassing than merely positing what does and doesn't exist. Yet at the same time Being is a more nebulous concept that's far harder to define than the concept of existence (which is far more intuitive). Hell, Heidegger had to deconstruct 2000 years of western philosophy to clearly define it. Describing ontology as what does and doesn't exist is useful for painting a picture of what makes it distinct from other other aspects of metaphysics, even if it's not strictly speaking all there is to ontology. Not the least of which because questions of Existence and questions of Being are intertwined.

@Carl-Richard I'll focus on (1), since I'll admit to not having enough familiarity with the concept of methodological vs ontological reductionism to articulate the distinction. I've read and studied quite a bit of philosophy, and I don't recall that distinction being emphasized much. If I had to venture a guess about methodological reductionism, I might emphasize the differences between logical positivism which tries to separate its methodology from ontological questions, and something like the Vedic system where ontological claims are used to frame and contextualize its methodology. This is just a guess, I could be missing the mark here. As to (1), ontology can be understood as an aspect of metaphysics. Ontology is concerned with what does and does not exist. For example, whether or not karma and reincarnation actually exist is an ontological question. Metaphysics on the other hand, deals more broadly with the overall structure, function, and meaning of Reality. Returning to the examples of karma and reincarnation, Metaphysics would try to articulate why those processes are a necessary part of the overall structure of Reality. As the example of karma should hopefully illustrate, there is of course plenty of overlap between ontology and metaphysics. For broad existential questions (such as whether the being Reality is mental or physical), an exploration will likely involve both metaphysics and ontology. So the boundaries between the two can get a bit fuzzy, and in practice I've seen the two terms used interchangeably at times.

@Carl-Richard I'd pin it down this way; how science proceeds under normal conditions is that the scientific enterprise is grounded in ontological assumptions that must exist prior to any science taking place. What those ontological assumptions are is going to be governed by a paradigm, which lays the ground rules for how the scientific investigation is going to take place. Where ontology ends and science begins can perhaps be better clarified by looking at Newtonian mechanics as an example. Newtonian mechanics tells us that nature behaves as if there's a Universal Law of Gravitation which influences the motion of objects at a distance. But science can't in principle tell us what degree of 'realness' we should afford to theoretical constructs like Force, Gravitation, and Time; which is where ontology comes in. If you want to go a level deeper, time and space are themselves ontological dimensions that had to be conceived of and articulated before the scientific enterprise could get off the ground. To the degree that different metaphysical schemas ground thier knowledge claims in differing epistemological methods, they're going to come up with different answers to whether the physical forces we observe are ontologically 'primary' or whether they're 'second order' phenomena. For example, while a physicalist will claim that the fundamental physical forces are ontologically necessary to make Reality as we experience it possible, an Idealist would be more likely to claim that the fundamental forces are second order phenomena that appear on the 'screen' of perception (which is ontologically prior to any physical forces). For science to proceed in the normal way, it has to be grounded in an ontology that provides a framework for investigation, by providing ground rules for what's considered valid and relevant. To return to Newtonian mechanics, prior to the paradigm Newton helped create action at a distance by invisible forces was seen as ontologically invalid, and thus 'unscientific'. In those days it was conceived that motion had to occur through theoretical abstract enteties called 'corpusuls' bumping in to things, transferring thier momentum (think of pool balls on a billiards table). When Newton's revolution proved itself able to explain phenomena that the 'corpusal' paradigm was unable to account for, the predominant ontology guiding physical science eventually came to be supplanted. Corpuscles came to lose thier ontological validity, replaced by an ontology of ineffible invisible forces acting at a distance.

Apologies if this is comes across as a bit basic, but here is how I would frame how to understand epistemology for a beginner: As a ground for epistemology, it's hugely helpful to have at least some basic grounding in a few of the more important paradigms within philosophy. These would include: Empericism & Rationalism Physicalism & Idealism Dualism & Monism An intro to philosophy book or video series on YouTube worth it's salt should touch upon all of these In addition, it's also helpful to be able to have a working understanding of some basic concepts: Epistemology is an investigation of how we can come to know things Ontology is an investigation of what actually exists Metaphysics is an investigation of the underlying Being of Reality. (As to the last point, it's worth making a clear distinction between metaphysics and science, as the two tend to get confused. The distinction is this: Science asks how Reality behaves, metaphysics asks what Reality is.) The reason why it's helpful to know these things is that they're going to be useful for understanding paradigms. A paradigm is a structured, cohesive schema for looking at particular aspects of the world. The reason that paradigms are important to epistemology is that what is and isn't considered true, valid, and relevant is in almost all cases going to be filtered through the specific set of paradigms that one is viewing the world through. And the reason that this matters is that an understanding of how paradigms function is going to be interlinked with your ability to View the world through different perspectives, and to be able to compare and contrast different perspectives. For a solid specific demonstration of how paradigms work, something like Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions is a really good resource.

If by religious people you're referring to religion as it's practiced at SD-Blue, then I wouldn't hold out much hope at a mutual understanding of perspectives on any kind of deep level. This is because the epistemic framework that you embody and probably take for granted only works because you've undergone a series of internal transformations to enact that framework. Just accept that they have a certain way of viewing the world which is inextricably linked to what makes life meaningful for them, and try to recognize that this is true for you as well. Note that none of this is meant pejoratively towards religious folks, it's also the reason why you can't just drop a deconstruction of the materialist framework in to the lap of a scientific materialist and expect it to bear fruit. At least that's going to be the case if there's not already some prior groundwork in place, which would allow that individual to critically engage with their worldview. And I'm not exempting myself from this, as I'm in exactly the same boat when I try and fail to grok what it means to have a non-dual mystical experience

Breaking lengthy posts in to reasonably sized paragraphs with line breaks in between is good etiquette in an online forum IMHO.

The temptation to treat Spiral Dynamics as an EXP bar in a video game is one of the main reasons why I think Spiral Dynamics is much better utilized as a dialectical sociological framework than as a personal development hierarchy. I've been thinking about how I would explain SD to someone who'd never heard of it before, and I'd probably frame it as sort of extension of Hegelian dialectics, or as a sociological development theory that deals with how meta-ideologies such as postmodernism form and interact with one another. For personal development, studying and practicing spirituality has done far more for my personal development than a model Spiral Dynamics ever could have. Think about how growth actually occurs. It's not just that you receive a new set of beliefs, but you go through an inner transformation where aspects of your character are cultivated. A scientific model without an associated practice to draw meaning from isn't going to cultivate your character, even if said model does impart knowledge.

Logic is just a cognitive tool for interfacing with the world, and quite a powerful tool at that. The problem comes when we forget that Logic is a cognitive tool, and try to force all of Reality to fit into a single modality. A good analogy would be the ego, in that we need the ego to navigate Reality and meet our Survival Needs. I'd argue that in a modern context the same is true for Logic, in that we need ways to hold to hold ideas and beliefs that motivate decisions up to scrutiny. But this modality also has limitations, and can be misused or applied in ways that obfuscates more than it clarifies.

I was active role in the Occupy Protests in the 2010s, and a decade later I'm somewhat ambivalent about how effective protests are. As a way to bring visibility to an issue, a large protest with good optics (this part is important) can be very effective in that regard. As a way to effect political change, well unfortunately in a place like the United States many of our lawmakers are in effect shielded from democracy through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the structurally undemocratic makeup of the US Senate and Supreme Court. In the United States, if you live in a democratic city or state, protesting might be a way to bully your legislature in to Voting a particular way on an issue. If you have the misfortune to be living in a Republican region I wouldn't bother, as the Republican Party has chosen the route of trying to end democracy rather than trying to govern.

The thing is that what you perceive as oversensitivity comes across as a lack of empathy from the point of view of those whose struggles you're devaluing. If you've never been the victim of racism or sexism in your life, try to think of a time where you were struggling with something difficult in your life and needed help. And think of what it would have felt like to have been dismissed as being oversensitive for feeling distressed at something that was negatively impacting your life in a very real way. Before dismissing others it's worthwhile to try to put yourselves in their shoes and understand their perspective.

I'd argue that men benefit from women feeling valued and supported, and women benefit from society having larger proportion of emotionally secure, well adjusted men. Rather than a zero sum game addressing both benefits everyone in the society.

That just means that there are unique challenges for both men and women in our society, and that both sets of issues deserve to be understood and addressed. One doesn't invalidate the other. Pointing out that women face barriers that men do not doesn't invalidate issues that men struggle with.

More likely is that political violence becomes more far more common than it is right now, with the possiblity that radicalized groups with access to arsenals of weapons could cause serious social and economic disruptions.

In developed countries there's no reason why support structures can't be more accommodating to something that's both a normal part of life and necessary for society to continue functioning (having children, that is). Workplace hour flexibility, the ability to work remotely, rights to paid parental leave for both genders, and access to affordable child care subsidized by public funding are some examples of such support structures. Socialization to make sure that both boys and girls are given opportunities to cultivate an interest in diversity of fields is a part of that as well. Obviously since women are the ones who biologically give birth women are always going to be disproportionately affected by having children compared to men, but there's no reason why the earnings gap between men and women need be nearly as large as it is today.

Women are also expected to perform a disproportionate share of child and family care duties (in addition to work), which explains the lion's share of the earnings gap between men and women in developed countries. So not like it's an even playing field. Policies such Rights to paid parental leave for both men and women, and access to affordable child care, can help to address this issue. Here in the US the second point is a huge issue, as it's not at all uncommon for child care to cost more than what a typical person would make working at a job. Also, sex is biological but gender roles (such as what types of careers men and women are socialized towards) are socially constructed. So you've got it completely backwards.

While I was thinking more along the lines of the misuse of stage models like Spiral Dynamics when I wrote that, the idea of an 'epistemic bypassing' which repurposes stage models in a performative-recursive way is a really cool concept. Hell, I guess even my own understanding of what a meta-cross-paradigmatic modality is is self demonstrating in a way, since I can imagine what that modality might entail in a very limited, skeletal way, but haven't gone through the necessary internal transformations for embodiment and integration to truly grok it. I don't have the 'grammar' for it so to speak, in the way that I have a relatively pre-reflective 'grammar' for systematic and paradigmatic modalities. Reading Heidegger lately, the participatory aspect being of a being-in-the-world has been on my mind as of late and has been influencing my thinking in this area

@CultivateLove As far as people who are combing through Rogan's hundreds of hours of content to find offensive content to use as 'ammunition' to cancel him for his spreading misinformation on Covid and vaccines, then yeah, I agree with you. The irresponsible way that Rogan is using his platform to spread dangerous misinformation about Covid and vaccines during a pandemic is the actual issue, because it misinforms his audience in ways that lead to preventable deaths. Spotify pulling down select episodes for that specific reason is defensible in a way that pulling down episodes for offensive content is not. It's not like we as a society haven't already established some basic rules around using media to misinform and mislead the public. Which is why cigarette companies to aren't allowed to advertise to children. The huge amount of backlash that Rogan is recieving over has vaccine skepticism is completely deserved, and setting some ground rules of accountability for public figures with reach to millions of people is both reasonable and needed.

@CultivateLove You realize that the swastika symbol is something that was (and continues to be) used in a variety of Eastern religions long before the Nazis existed, right? https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/10/28/499475248/diwali-dilemma-my-complicated-relationship-with-the-swastika

'Retrograde amnesia' is a really good way of phrasing it, in regards to the ways that Metamodernism has the potential to insufficiently apply lessons from the paradigms it's attempting to integrate. I suspect that the topic of spiritual bypassing, which describes the act of grasping for knowledge without going through the required internal transformations that are necessary for embodiment, will be an important component of post-metamodern analysis when it arrives.