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To be fair I do think China has a mostly bright future. Because there is some undoubtful progress they are going through. The problem is that they have a one-party state which is almost cartoonishly evil in the way they deal with people that do not conform. This poisons their whole culture and will ultimately backfire for sure. I think the emphasis on conformity and secularism is very similar to post-Stalin Soviet Union. They are not exterminating people but they do make life a living hell for anyone who does not fit in with the party narrative.

@erik8lrl That's a hell of a post there. Nobody made the claim about a genocide, but there are undoubtedly mass concentration camps where a lot of pretty evil stuff is going down (including mass forced sterilization which is arguably a form of genocide.) Of course from the Chinese government's POV they just want to (forcefully) conform the Uighurs, not exterminate them. So congratulations, China is better than Nazi Germany but boy that's a very low bar. I hope you can see the wrongdoing of the Chinese government yourself because I am not interested in lecturing here.

Maybe so, psychedelics alone are not enough. But even so after each trip or a period of tripping I feel like a part of me has died and I am definitely not the same again. Post-trip integration and Post-trip consciously overcoming the ego-backlash by surrendering fear is what it takes to level up so to speak. But that is just my experience with psychedelics maybe it's different and less effective for you.

Psychedelics are so much more than just insights, they encompass all of your mentioned methods and so much more.

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People who live in a relatively advanced society and are at stage red are usually highly traumatized in their youth. So for them advancing on the spiral coincides with confronting their trauma which is emotionally extremely difficult to do.

That makes me depressed. What happened to "Never again".

5meo is the ultimate Catalyser for gaining momentum if used responsibly and in a strategic manner, so why not use it?

Just heavenly.

Countries want to do business with China that's why they keep their mouths shut about the camps. Even Muslim countries apparently don't care their brothers are being forcefully sterilized and helped off their religion.

I do not recommend such doses to beginners. If it's your first trip ever, then just above the threshold is already enough to have a meaningful experience.

@intotheblack Truffles were the first psychedelics I used. I think I had around 7 trips with them. They are basically the same as shrooms but you just need to consume more of them to have the same effect. I am not using truffles anymore because I no longer can tolerate the vile taste. Also, whilst a great starter psychedelic they are not the most direct ones if you are interested in awakening, for that I recommend 5-Meo-DMT.

@Leo Gura I agree they definitely have a lot of orange in them. The last seasons I found a little too vulgar for my taste. Though they did have some outstanding episodes in the past that I consider comical brilliance. Also, they do satirize/criticize stage orange in some episodes and seasons, most notably with Randy's weed business. What do you mean by toxic? the vulgarity?

Yeah, I get that of course. And as a cartoon character, I absolutely love Cartmen. But isn't he not like the most selfish a human can ever get? He is a big nazi admirer and views slavery in a positive light. I still think it is a little much to call him orange even when he is being more like a "normal" human.

@Leo Gura What?... Cartmen orange? I thought Cartmen was the epitome of red. He is so selfish and manipulative. One time he fed a kid his parents.

In reality, a person can only change and move up the spiral if he himself is willing and "ready". It doesn't matter if you are coming from a stage yellow perspective with a loving emphatic connection. Tier 1 stages will demonize you for rocking their worldview. They will subtly demonize you in their head because that's how the ego-mind maintains its "righteousness" and homeostasis. But I definitely agree that love is the best approach for helping other people grow. But also realize that love is not always expressed in a sweet feminine way. Masculine love can be perceived as ruthless but nonetheless, it's love, which in certain situations is better for "growing" a person. But I will repeat that you only can help someone move up the spiral if he himself is willing. Not just willing in a lip-service kind of way but willing to have the heart to go through the rocky and uncertain up-and-down process that ultimately leads to change.

No, I didn't. Here is a radical idea: what if stage orange people actually can have wise ideas and attitudes worth considering.

@Preety_India A forum centered around spirituality and self-actualization will naturally attract people that a green or at least higher in consciousness than most of the population. Green has it’s fair share of representation here. A conservative will whine about how conservatives are demonized here. There is nothing holy about green so people will occasionally “shit” on it. So what? Everybody has his own unique worldview, not everybody plays by your rules and some of them will trigger you. Maybe you can view this as an opportunity for self-growth. Or you can dig your heels in and double down on your worldview.

What kind of argument is that? The bulk of the world is blue so I will refuse to go beyond green. That argument is extra absurd considering that yellow is more effective in coming up with real solutions for world problems. believe me, it is much easier to save yourself than to safe the whole world. Ultimatly the two are one. Saving yourself Is saving the world. notice how attached, protective and cavalier you sound. Classic ego defense.

You just strike me as a very green person based on your talking points that are very protective of green. (There is no judgement or caricaturing here). As a debate, this topic will be very pointless indeed. And that is a legitimate point but so is mine(; It is not one or the other. My point was that being so protective of green is an indication that you have an attachment that prevents your growth up the spiral. I pointed this out but of course, you will resist and shut down the arguments that make you uncomfortable. Everybody wants to do that including me. It takes time, maturity and wisdom to grow and to let go of attachments.

You are deflecting my points because you are in denial(;

That's your confirmation bias. It's people that express orange and blue ideologies that get routinely banned here. I found that you won't get in trouble for expressing green ideologies on this forum no matter how dogmatic. Also not all criticism of green stems from demonization. Notice how protective you are of green. It's like being in green and building a wall between you and the lower stages. But of course, the key for progressing to the higher stages actually requires deep understanding and compassion for the lower stages. So tear down that wall and let your worldview be shaky and full of doubt, this is the foundation for growth. Also, a lot of stage green people see themselves as compassionate and loving angels and are royally in denial of how selfish, divisive and unloving they really are.

@commie To begin with my country is The Netherlands, so you know that's my POV. The ministers here responsible for vaccine distribution have actually admitted they blundered and that they could have been much swifter in securing the vaccins and with starting the vaccination program. We usually pride ourselves on being efficient and very competent but unfortunately not this time. The European way of organizing is in usual times quite effective but not so much in these crisis times. Mainly because we stubbornly hang on to the old ways, which make us way less flexible in crisis times when certain rules and bureaucracy need to be relaxed in order to act more effectively. In times of crises, you need assertiveness and audacity, this is sorely missing here. In the culture of my country, formal bureaucratic rules and proceeders are considered holy. This is also true for the EU, which is a highly formalized bureaucratic institution. In England, they are less formally proper in this regard. In their culture, they have this "can-do mentality" which makes them more audacious. That's why their vaccination program is having more success. I even heard that Hungary has chosen not to wait on the EU but also to order the Russian and Chinese vaccines. Whether that is wise or not, I don't know (probably not, I am afraid). But I can tell by their mentality and how they act that they are audacious and assertively proactive. This is the kind of mentality you need in a crisis. It depends on what America's approach will be, but yeah being big usually means you are more formalized and less flexible. And obviously having a large population is a huge disadvantage if you want to vaccinate your whole population. A country like Andorra can vaccinate its population in only a few days so to speak.

I was always supportive of the union but I am royally disappointed with the bureaucratic debacle in securing the vaccines. It feels to me like the EU is demonstrating that it doesn't take the survival and wellbeing of its people seriously enough. My mother has a compromised immune system so I want her vaccinated ASAP. But apparently, this won't happen before every bureaucrat in Strassbourg and Brussels gets his stack of the paperwork finished. Both of my grandparents who live in Israel already had their two injections because they live in a country that takes survival very seriously. The EU is too big and rigid to deal with such urgent survival issues effectively.

I think in my case it is a little of both, avoidance of suffering and seeking. Whenever I feel most depressed I feel most motivated to do some 5-meo. But also deep inside I always was kinda interested in existential matters. Before I knew about spirituality I extensively studied (western) philosephers thinking they had something figured out. It mostly made me cynical and nihilistic.