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Well, I was indeed trying to get her on a date again, do you count that as manipulation? I was mostly very plain about it, no elaborate manipulative tricks or texts. I get your point. Obviously, there was some attachment otherwise I wouldn't had such a strong emotional reaction. I always get attached to a degree in proportion to how much we met, clicked, and connected, but yeah I cared for her. I feel like such a fool. This is one of the nastiest dating stings I ever had. Again I would have felt better if it was slightly more respectful or even an old-fashioned flake. But hey, there are the worst things in life. Last week was my first time wearing a suit and I myself actually got approached by a very stylish Eastern European girl and she even asked for my number, but even she is flakey as fuck haha. Not sure if I can get her on a date.

I don't mind paying and not meeting each other again! As I said before. I always demand basic decency and respect from all humans I interact with. I am not compromising on that. I would not want to play such elaborate games with a girl. To me thats very manipulating and undignified. Again, she has every right to see other people and not see me. This is not the issue. I've got a really nasty aftertaste because of her total disrespect and disregard. I think this is the case indeed, man... I feel like such a fool. I seriously accept a lot of shit from women (flaking/indirectness/long response times) as long as they leave me within my dignity.

@NoSelfSelf I decided to pay because she was in the bathroom and I was just waiting, I didn't think much of it. I have no problem with both askin the girl to pay or paying myself. I did both in the past and never had a nasty experience like here. I have had a relatively expensive dinner date with a Ukrainian refugee woman. It was not super expensive but it was way beyond a normal date. We never really followed up but I still could have seen I gave her a good time and the support she needed and in return, she did appreciate and respect me. So it was all good. She all of a sudden dropped a random guys name and basically said I had to wait in line before she saw him again. How would you respond? For me, it felt totally unacceptable that she communicated it like this. It was not a shit test because for me there was no way I could have won. If I went along like a submissive little puppy I would have compromised severely on my integrity and that would have been very manipulative of me.

@hoodrow trillson I noticed that even on extremely toxic internet communities where people are very cynical, contrarian, racist, sexist and borderline fascist they still tend to strongly support Ukraine, really tells you something. Also weirdly wholesome.

@Emotionalmosquito Obviously, if you approach her you're attracted, (don't approach girls you're not attracted to) but approaching doesn't mean you're sold on her because hopefully, you have high standards. You want to feel the girl out first and get to know her a little, maybe she turns out to be very lame.

What is his genius worth?

@Someone here It is so clear that he is being forceful and inauthentic. This is what the newbie stage looks like, eventually you gotta develop that cool. But props to him for learning and It's very hard to open a sitting girl.

I think you're really overreaching here. Don't insult the Ukrainians fighting. Motivation is the key factor, directly defending your own land because a war is imposed upon you and you have no choice is the deepest and biggest motivation there is. Of course, without aid, they would die, anybody would. America would have died without French aid. I have been to Ukraine I saw how corrupt it was, in a sense, it was not a respectable country. To be a country you need to fight for your independence and they are doing it right now. INDEPENDENCE, to determine your own destiny. I don't think this is true at all. Sure, I believe that Putin did a lot of projection because he himself is so criminal-minded or maybe 19th-century "war is the norm"-minded. Even in Africa or South America countries don't invade each other in the 21st century. Finland just joined NATO, so what? Again you're really stretching it with these justifications, and calling Putin a genius. Maybe you can learn from Russian literature that life is raw, hard, and unromantic and that shooting yourself in the foot has been more than once the Russian way.

For some reason, this thread attracted the biggest nutjobs here haha.

"The (evil) rich elites control the economy, media and government." It is fertile ground for old-style antisemitism that is making a resurgence nowadays. When I was growing up that kind of antisemitism was viewed as utterly untrue and something from a different age. Now it seems to be making a comeback. Antisemitism has its own evolution: first people demonized Jews for being Christ-killers, then as malevolent controlling elites, Then came ww2 and the Holocaust. After which antisemitism significantly died down in the West. Then the new antisemitism became obsessing-over and hating Israel. But now we are making a comeback to the pre-WW2 era of Jews being controlling elites again. What's next hating Jews for being Christ killers again?

America did not really invest in the Ukrainian military before the 2014 Crimea takeover. Yes, funding but also motivated and capable people. In war anything can happen but for now the Russians are not going anywhere outside of their holes. Ukraine might get a good chance after they receive Western fighter jets next year. If they're not booking any success then, it will be a serious cause for concern. But I still highly disagree with the notion that this war is somehow strategically beneficial for Russia. Worst case scenario they will border a westen aligned country with democratic ideals and human rights. Some countries border with worse like South Korea and Israel.

@Leo Gura America? I'm talking little corrupt Ukraine compared to giant oil and gas-rich Russia. Before the war, I thought Russia could take on the whole of Europe. I seriously don't know about what kind of genius you're talking about. There is a list from here to Tokyo about how this war negatively affects Russia and its strategic standing in the world.

The Russian army went from second in the world to second in Ukraine, doesn't sound really strong to me. If it wasn't for nuclear weapons the West would kick the Russian's ass 19th-century Crimean war style.

This thread is sadly proving my point. People find either new or old ways to obsess over Jews and their supposed power. you can find something “ugly” about each nationality/culture and then your negative concepts get reinforced by echo chambers and exposure bais. Until you keep a whole group in contempt. Yes, Jews totally reserve the right to avoid you if you’re being nasty and disrespectful.

Playing such games will backfire. Even when girls play hard-to-get it's mostly out of insecurity and it backfires on them. Sure, some manipulations will always be involved but playing "elaborate" games will just cause the other person to move on. It's not about correcting but about making a strong stance. It's good to disagree on an issue or two on dates. Girls just love when you have an opinion and you do not compromise on your stance to accommodate her. Shows that you're not slimy or wishy-washy and that your principles come first.

Oke but at some point, he starts to swing his dick from the very first moment he meets a girl at his place? If he has such social skills and charisma isn't it easier to just be accommodating? But of course, he is a highly exceptional person, I do realize that.

Haha Yes! no intellectual philosophizing. You have a stance, state it and make it clear that you're ready to chop off the head of anybody that disagrees with you. I often made the mistake of being too" courteous", "open-minded" and intellectual on dates where instead I just should have had expressed a strong stance.

@Danioover9000 I am not familiar with Destiny or his style. I had experiences where I was in a grey zone. I almost made a girl lose her flight because I was being selfish, not taking her agenda into proper consideration. I did not do the right thing by causing her extra stress and felt bad for it. Also, I didn't get laid then because she could sense that I was hesitant about my actions. Sure, have masculine energy! With that energy, you can be a dangerous man but at the same time you got it under control and you don't need to act needlessly like a dick. I notice that in cultures where there is a bigger contrast between men and women, like in Eastern Europe. It's custom for the man to behave like a gentleman towards a woman. Why? because the man does not need to prove his masculinity, because it's most likely already there. He needs to prove that he can take care of her.

@Leo Gura I understand of course, It's just that it's a common misconception that you need to be a dick to get girls. But apparently being a dick only works if you're a psychopath, which most guys are not.

You have Psychopath game and normal game. In normal game you're respectful. Because being a dick does not work if you're a decent person who had a good upbringing.

How is that even possible? I never invite girls to my town, let alone my house for the first time (always to the big city nearby). What kind of girl would tolerate such shit from a guy she has zero connection with? I lost girls for all kinds of little faux pas, and he gets away with that!? Also Brand seems to have some serious charm and social skills so why would he use such an insane style?

As part of Sex-ed young men should be taught to always take it slowly. The whole beauty of initiating love is that you take it slowly, being accommodating and giving the girl the space to potentially react clearly if she changes her mind. Guys should know that it's normal to sleep with a girl in the same bed without sex if she is not receptive. By stating this as normal this takes a lot of the pressure off. What we have now is just blindly terrifying young men with #metoo shaming which only creates more confusion, dysfunction and potentially even more sexual misconduct.

No, Florida and Texas are doing a great job at attracting business and (educated) people

Did you learn a lesson after that experience? In my experience pick-up lines, let alone edgy pick-up lines are unnecessary. Also, you told her that she is perfect which is probably untrue and giving all your cards away.

That's exactly the appeal of the Republicans. If you're a business or homeowner, you're primary concern is to get the homeless people away from your store entrance or your front yard where your children play. So a crude approach is applauded in this instance regardless of "heart" or "long-term sustainability".