ArcticGong

@Leo Gura I enjoyed reading your conversation with the AI. I would read other conversation on other topics too.

Happy nowruz🙂

Check your stats. It is a bit more nuanced.

Hasn’t anyone in this entire thread made the case that countries are social construct and belongs to nobody? Then I’ll repeat it. No country belongs to nobody absolutely speaking. But relatively speaking, Arabs conquered and renamed their territories like Egypt to Misr, Jordan to Urdunia, Syria to Shams. If you want a fair playing field, let’s sit down and renegotiated the entire Middle East so every minority gets a piece, if fairness is the concern. European Jews took back a land which had sentimental value to them. Which seems unfair, but plenty injustice goes on there. Orthodox people keep longing for reclaiming Constantinople, but they aren’t waging a holy crusade to make it happen. The world is unfair, relatively speaking. Playing the victim while trying to dictate terms is really overplaying one’s hand. Lastly, if human life was a priority for Arabs, Palestinians Muslims would be settled at a safe place. Wonder why Christian’s from the levant have had several waves of exoduses to Latin America? Because it is dangerous being a minority in the Middle East.

I share most of your views. But I want to add that Palestinian brother people (Arabs) could do more than gaslight the rest of the world for its inaction. The Arab league is also responsible for this catastrophe.

Furthermore, America support many nations because they wanna avoid that the soviets or another big player fills the vacuum.

Lying has consequences.

Also it seems like humanity goes through cycles. At the end of a cycle it seems the situation is vulnerable for radicalisation. Furthermore, it is tempting to go radical when things don’t turn out the way one expected.

That good. The public space shouldn’t tolerate anti-any group. Imagine an anti-Christian, white,black, Hispanic, catholic group or voice. It’s absurd. Criticism , questioning and inquiry, however, is healthy in any in most subject matters. In this case, American foreign policy in the Middle East, which Isreal plays a key role needs to be questioned for many reason. Especially when America wants to claim morale high over everyone else.

My point with sharing the videos is that criticism seems to come from many prominent Jewish and non-Jewish voices like Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Finkelstien, Mearsheimer Jon Stewart and etc. Furthermore, these orthodox Jewish people claim that they are not alone and that many orthodox people are critical about Isreal from a religious pov. Honestly, it don’t know what’s what.

What about these guys?

Thanks!

Can anyone explain if the information from prominent Jewish scholars like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstien is credible? They tend to be critical about Isreal which is interesting because of them being Jewish themselves.

I might be wrong, but I don’t think Middle Eastern Arabs hated Jews prior to Israel. So, the right to exist argument has flaws. All people can try to exist but must balance their survival with other peoples ideas and entitlement issues of what those are trying to survive as. Furthermore, I think the hatred is fanned by ego and with the motivating factor that both sides wants to be the sheriff in the Middle Eastern land, which is Isreal/Palestine, or make their own path forward . If anyone wants to entertain a relativistic perspective ,then, no one between Arabs and Jews are the rightful owner of that land, the point being that property right is something humans created. All land belongs to any nation with a strong army to defend it. That’s why many peoples went extinct over the centuries. The Arabs need to address the fact that Palestine/Isreal was Islamic for 400 years, until it wasn’t anymore, why? The west which claims to be pro Isreal needs to address why the Jews were offered lands lands like Palestine, magadascar, and Uganda and not a state in America? America could offer the Jews a state. Russia offered Jews an oblast as a friendly gesture and their friendship is dubious . A friend should take your interest into account. The UK should have anticipated that facilitating a Jewish state in the Middle East might not go down well with the people there. My point being, there is not one party whose at fault for the instability in the Middle East. I missed many factors which other people have elaborated in this thread.