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@Valach Just notice the hypocrisy in your your own life, its not something you can conceptually understand, express your feeling to her and have a conversation about it and see it through her perspective. You should be paying attention to her character and her coping mechanisms to daily events and she how she handles them, these are much more important red flags to look out for than her sexual history. Btw expect most modern woman in western countries can have at least 15-25 partners most of them coming from her 20's, woman have many options to explore and want to understand what type of guy is best for them, you would do the same in their shoes so again notice the hyporacy and focus on other important characteristics that can lead to good relationship material. Also be careful of redpill/blackpill brainwashing, those ideologies can subtly influence your perspective on woman.

@InsecureAnon None of this stuff you read of this thread will help you your to lost in Blackpill/Incel ideology. Take some time of girls and go get therapy or deeply reflect your tramas. Be aware of how by consuming shit information and engaging with said community will unconsciously shape your beliefs and trick you into believing its your own original thought when all it is is dogma. Unsubscribe from all incel/black pill/redpill forums, youtube channels or any other medium you follow that shit is garbage and when a person with insecurities comes across like that stuff it only goes down hill. Your facing a much bigger problem than just getting laid you need to reinvent your character it reeks of insecurity and desperation and this is through the internet so in real life it must be worse. Women are social creatures and can pick this up before you speak. You need a wake up call bro, right now you have your youth and freedom to properly explore this avenue of your life don't spend it bitching on some online forum about being average height good luck

Ahh yes cant wait for this thread to get derailed and turn into a gender wars battle only to get shut down on page 15

Yup the number of matches I got using the free version versus paying the subscription was quite substantial. They suppress your profile and give higher priority to those who pay. If you look like a GQ model or really attractive it doesn't matter but for most guys you'll notice a difference if you upgrade. Remember Tinder is a company its here to make money and will optimize itself in the best way to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. What I do know is that they definitely suppress your profile when you use the free version.

Any information on how you came to this conclusion would be interesting to look at. Thats a pretty bold claim your making saing "toxins, chemicals, bad diet" could be the reasons of these disorders other than gentics

@7thLetter I agree with this. Why don't you go out and create an event or fundraiser that can help the people your trying to target. You don't make change by yelling at the government, you make a difference in your community and then people will follow you. You probably sound like these "woke" leftist who just parrot the same ideologies without offering any practical implementation, that can get annoying really quickly. Go create a youtube channel educating your people on finances, spirituality ect, something positive for your community, get creative. The problem with that though is that its much easier posting memes about your government than actually going outside and making a difference in your community. Your ego mind wants to feel like its making a difference without doing any of the work very sneaky..

Online dating works fine for me its a good supplement for meeting more women. Heres a trick that jumped my matches by 5-10x hire a professional photographer to get multiple shots of yourself in different outfits or find a person who can take high quality photos with a real camera, actually pay for the services don't use the free versions there useless, and do a slight photoshop on your pictures. Photoshopping and getting professional pictures was the missing piece that jumped my results online. Be Careful not to go overboard you still want it to be realistic so you don't look like a catfish just rid of the small "imperfections." Its superficial but hey its online dating its cutthroat if you don't reach a certain looks threshold.

@Leo Gura What studies have you looked at to come to this conclusion do you mind linking some of your sources?

Find spots in your area with a lot of foot traffic and go there also for night game you have to be more loud and expressive you cant be as chill and laid back as day game, your not going to get a lot of engagement

You guys derailed tf out this this thread, I never knew how strong the survival bias fallacy was until spending some time on this side of the forum. There isn't a lot of practical information here but from a meta view its fascinating seeing how far people will go to defend their survival bias. From a higher perspective I can now see why people can do the most huranoues things and still go to sleep at night, it just fits their particular survival bias. If I was born a woman i'd probably be bashing PUA and making numerous threads about it like the ladies on this forum trippy...

@StarStruck Do you have social circle, other guys you can talk to about this stuff? Dude doing cold approach pickup as your main source of meeting women is one of the most painful paths to take. The flake rate is ridiculously high considering your entering a stranger's life with no social proof. The only big advantage of doing cold approach is that it quickly builds your social skills and calibration, I would take the skills you learned from cold approach and go create/find a social circle you can be apart of. Don't fall into the trap known as "the lone pick up." You will feel like shit 80% of the time. Its much more fun going out with other guys, and hitting on chicks or even hosting your own events you will stand out more because you have social proof. I personally don't know what your trauma's are but you keep bringing them up as a scapegoat for your actions. If its really that bad you should leave the pua stuff behind and fully dive into healing this part of yourself, any relationship you attempt to build will be corrupted by this and im pretty sure you know this already. Seriously think about from her perspective, you are a random stranger who entered her life, tired to meet up with her multiple times with no avail, and because she may have been going through something or wasn't possibly interested in you anymore you leaked her number. Theres something very wrong here, bro just take a break from all of this and really focus on yourself and then build a social circle.

@electroBeam Rejection is common when trying to attract women in your life, but after you've had a few experiences and approached enough you reframe rejection as "screening out." Most of the time its never something you did wrong its the female, maybe she's taken, has other guys she's talking to or god knows what, never forget that when it comes to dating, women easily have 50-100x more options than you do so their paradigm of thinking is going to be different when interacting with men, they will be more fickle. A good number to keep in mind to "close" 1 out of 10 women that are attracted to you. This is what's considered "advanced game" and from my experience and some of my wings if you reach that number, you'll never have issues attracting women. That means for every 10 phone numbers you get 1 girl will be compatible with you it's a difficult standard to reach and takes a lot of trail and error, but at least this quantifies things and gives you a rough model to compare to. Also understand the difference between cold approach and social circle game. You cant use the same approach for both settings. With cold approach you can be more direct and screen for sexual compatibility harder which gets you quicker results but more flakes, but with the later you need more social calibration and to ease up on the screening, it can be slower but it feels more "natural" which is what I prefer. Be direct in both cases but make sure your socially calibrated based on the setting, which comes from running a lot of volume.

@fopylo This is good you need more experiences like this, this is what builds your social calibration, try to set up another group meeting and do it again. You must be comfortable in these types of situations if you want a good social life it's not going to magically happen. Also meditation and watching Leo's videos has nothing to do with building emotional strength that only comes after putting yourself in an uncomfortable situation repeatedly until you overcome it. Its easy to sit on a comfy chair and do nothing for 20 minutes, but how does that translate to the real world? It seems you lack social experiences and the people you hang around have much more than you do so fix it. Action Action Action, stop the mental masturbation you already know enough.

@SageModeAustin Hmm seems fishy don't have enough context, try sitting down and talking with her in person and express how you feel see what comes of it and don't expect vague answers. You also have to tell her she cant randomly break up with you and then ask to get back together that sounds pretty manipulative.

Theres a difference between conceptualy understanding meaningless sex won't make you fulfilled but its another thing to go through the act of having "meaningless sex" and then seeking out a more high quality experience. Most of the guys on this subform who make these pua threads are at the beginning stages of learning how to attract women in their life. Its irresponsible to tell them "Meaningless sex wont make you happy" when they cant even verify that out for themselves. Thats like a millionaire telling somebody whose poor, "Don't worry man having money doesn't make you a happier person." Theres nothing profound in this thread, its common sense pickup is only attraction theory and you cannot build a healthy relationship out of attraction. Once your in a good place you then can focus on relationship building skills. You guys also have the wrong perception of pick up its does not equal "approach random girls and harass them", thats the type of vibe I get from you ladies when you speak on it. Its about being able to express your desire in an authentic, attractive way to woman you meet anywhere whether in your social circle, online or at a bar. Theres so much more to it then just cold approaching girls and you would know this if you were a guy that was actively dating women. Pick up is only the beginning stages a man has to go through to develop the abundance mindset needed so that if a woman isn't a good match for him he can leave and find better. Women don't even understand how many options they have when it comes to dating they think the same applies to most men, when that cannot be further from the truth. As a young guy even if your confident your options will pale in comparison unless you learn what attracts women and force yourself to take action to gain experiences. I don't care how self developed you are if you don't believe you can attract the right people in your life you'll never develop the right boundaries needed to have a successful relationship. You must go through the experience of dating and sleeping with multiple women to understand this. Its foolish to bank on the probability that the first woman you date is going to be the right one for you. What you find out as a young guy that has no experience dealing with woman is that its pretty difficult to attract women you want in your life thus some men will turn to pick up and those are the lucky ones. The rest just live a live of quiet desperation believing there's nothing they can do and settle for toxic relationships because they cant do better. To the men who are in the pick up stage of their life, embrace it and go through it don't let the other members on this subforum gaslight you into believing its not necessary to develop if done correctly it will be one of the best experiences in your life that will positively shape your character.

Yea what you did is perfectly fine just don't do this the first couple times you guys sleep together or you'll most likely come across of as a creep.

I dont even understand the purpose of these types of threads, ofc to any woman the notion of "pick up" is going to come across of as slimy or manipulative. Some of that I do agree but its all on how the person goes about implementing the information. Unless you've dated/slept with multiple women and had to overcome hundreds of rejections/flakes/failed experiences, you don't really understand how attraction works. I'd like to see the ladies on this forum give practical advice on how a 17-23 year old should go about dating and getting their sexual needs met.

Hate to say this but the relationship was going downhill long before she asked you if she could go on a trip with her ex alone, a girl thats into would not want to jeopardize her relationship with you in any way, you must set the frame that you don't tolerate disloyalty from the beginning so you don't end up in situations like this. Also they banged bro, a girl doesn't spend the night at her ex's house touch his penis and not bang you should consider exiting the relationship and go to somebody who values you more before this turns ugly.

@john1 No No No, avoid spiritual work at least until your out of highschool, theres so many other survival skills you must learn before you can even think about enlightenment. Any profound insights you have will be corrupted by your immature mind and will be quickly snuffed out by peer pressure so you can fit in high school 100% can guarantee you this. Workout, learn about good diet practices, learn how to make friends, learn how to attract/talk to girls and learn how to be a creative value provider. There's a reason why this is "advanced work" understanding a bunch of concepts doesn't mean anything when you cant make friends, attract women in your life or even make money. At most you should instill an easy mediation practice thats all you need.

There both not bad at all, if you use it to cope for a shitty life then yes, if you use it in moderation there's no problem.

@Karmadhi The problem with Black pill isn't so much much the content but the structure of the ideology. Its common sense if your very attractive or have lots of money, attracting girls will be relatively easy but its baked into such an insecure and low quality world view that the message ends up turning into "theres no point of doing anything because the chads will just take your girl." Most normal people can smell the stench of blackpill ideology but people who are isolated, have been hurt in the past, or have no aspirations in life gravitate towards this perspective because it just reaffirms their biases which is much more easier to face than there own issues. One profound insight that Leo shared in his video about conspiracy theory's was that any ideology that don't inspire you to take ownership of your life or give you inspiration should be dropped as there just worthless. You must quickly be able to recognize a low quality perspective and disregard it before you give it too much attention. This takes many years to recognize as this requires a lot of trail and error, which also goes in hand why so many of these blackpillers/incels are between the ages of 17-25 one has simply not had enough life experiences to prove otherwise. To get out of a position like this you must first create a plan to reach a level of consciousness that proves how ridiculous an ideology like this is and then from that position start checking off your limiting beliefs. Also kudos to escaping that type of mentality, by the looks of other people experience on this side of the forum that seems pretty hard to do.

@Runtz Sigh... There should be a pined thread in this section of the forum telling all young men to stop reading incel/blackpill ideology. Im pretty sure your in your late teens or early 20's bro, stop consuming this shit seriously you think your getting a "non-mainstream, no bullshit" worldview on how relationships and dating works but its just not true, all your getting is the biggest strawman on how interpersonal relationships work. The problem with ideologies like this is that they create more limiting beliefs on top of your insecurities and doesn't empower you to take action. The danger is that you become so deluded in this worldview when anybody else try's to point out the fallacies in your thinking you immediately label them an enemy or "normie" and quickly shut down their perspective. The problem is that you are too fixated on hot chicks, thats not what someone in your position needs or wants. What you need is social experience and to be around normal people that embrace your character and quirks, from that position you can start killing off these limiting beliefs and actually open your eyes to how this stuff works. Worry about improving the quality of girls you get after you've made a few friends and dated a few girls who genuinely care about you. In order to do that you will need to develop strong character which starts by not deluding yourself with low quality ideologies and avoiding them like the plague.

@Javfly33 Make a High Calorie Protein shake, use one scoop of protein powder, one cup of oats, 2 cups milk, 2 tablespoon peanut butter, and a big handful of spinach,= 900~1000 calories, I drink that for breakfast and for days I workout i drink it after my session also. It takes 10 minutes total, including prep, finishing and cleaning. Liquid calories are going to be your "cheat code" to gaining gaining mass it doesn't have to be unhealthy.

The only way through it is to go throw a paradigm shift which comes from meeting many women, change it from "going to talk to her" to "Im screening for compatibility" It sounds basic but being able to re-contextualize rejection is the only thing that's going to lead to better sets in the future. Also never forget meeting a random the girl on the street vs meeting a girl that already has social proof of you are two completely different things. Dont expect to convert many cold approach chicks into lays let's be realistic here.

Be careful with type of logic you could see how adopting this mentality could fuck you up down the road, bro put the ball on her court and move on thats the whole point of doing pick up, so you can adopt an abundance mentality. But theres something deeper here this isn't just about women take some time to explore this maybe you should cut ties with her who knows, she may actually have shitgoing on in here life.