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The thing is that all he can see is the natural world (the movie). No one can see something else nor can he see how is he constructing the natural world. That's precisely what he is disagreeing with. This identification with our bodies and the world around us is not a privilege.. It's a chore. It's the default state that we find ourselves in. Disidentifying with it from his pov is a mental disorder "disassociation" and works as escapism from the" real" to the imaginary world of "love and God and woo woo BS". What you call imaginary is real from his perspective and what you call real is imaginary from his perspective. And vice versa. I'm actually by his side at this point in my journey. That doesn't mean spirituality has nothing to offer. But like everything else when it's taken to extreme levels it can be counter productive and work against it's own purpose. I disagree with his rude attitude btw. That's not how to have a civil discussion.

Lmao.

So what am I supposed to do now? Lol.

Update : I think I'm making some progress. In the last week I smoked just three packs. My goal is reduce it with time until I stop completely.

Ouch dude! Wtf She was way more intelligent than you here!

LOL that proves my point

It's just a fact of life. We (men) are more talented in the intellectual and spiritual aspects. Just deal with it ladies!

Thanks Leo I have a better idea now.

You can type that for yourself and read it ten times a day. Don't give me lessons. I didn't ask for your opinion anyways. And you are unfunny as hell btw. I feel like I want to vomit tbh.

I think the difference between you and what science thinks of Consciousness is that you think it's all Consciousness. Even apparently unconscious matter is Consciousness. Whereas scientists think that there is the dumb unconscious stuff on one side and then you have the Consciousness stuff on the other side which arises from the unconsciousness stuff. The conflict is because your definition of Consciousness is "existence itself" whereas scientists define it as "perception of existence".

That's indeed a very serious epistemological problem. We can't step outside what we already know. You can't even conceive of something outside of your own perceptions because no matter what you do you are still inside it. Only after you wake up from the dream you can discover something beyond the dream phenomenon itself. It only happens in retrospect. You don't know what you don't know untill you know lol. That's how knowledge works!

@Leo Gura I get that Consciousness already exists and it doesn't need to be created in the sense it's gonna be created for the first time! I mean in the sense being rendered or produced. If i understood you correct you mean they actually can make Conscious robots using Consciousness itself. They will use Consciousness to create just more Consciousness.! A scientist might disagree because they think "brains and neurons" are not themselves Consciousness but rather Consciousness is just a byproduct of unconscious dumb matter. Like water is a liquid that is emerging from nonliquid components (hydrogen and oxygen).

Wouldn't that be contradicting your perspective of " Consciousness is irreducibly mystical and it's not an emergent phenomenon from neurology and chemical reactions"? Because if that's true I think it must follow that science can't ever create consciousness by playing with matter and arranging it together in specific ways (because the assumption is that Consciousness doesn't arise from matter anyways). So I would say if they managed to create such robots that would be evidence that Consciousness is in fact just a byproduct of matter even if we don't totally understand how this happenes,

"Yesterday I was clever.. I tried to change the world. Today I'm wise..so I'm changing myself."- rumi

Don't feed the troll.

You are the farthest person from enlightenment let alone to teach it. Get over it!.

Wow you are so enlightened teach me please!

What's so funny mister "know it all"?

It's like asking what if this kid gets full high grades this semester? Just what "if"? And all your expectations were false about him? And you guys are like "no way he is a loser he will fail like always. Trust me. I know". You refuse to even entertain the possibility. That's OK btw. To each his own.

LOL he is on another level!

So "I" as the individual human ego is not the only real person so to speak? Because Leo's statements seem like brutal solipsism (there are no others.. You are hallucinating me and everyone else)!

Yes here we go again. If you think this is easy shit go ahead and explain it to me.

Maybe!

I know that's your outlook on it and Leo's as well. It's just a hypothetical question. Just suppose that happened.. What would that mean to our understanding of Consciousness?. If you take someone from 3000 years ago and showed them our technology right now and how you can talk to someone on a different country and see them and even record the conversation so that you can replay it forever.. He would think that's utterly impossible and mystical. Yet here we are!

What if science manages to build robots with self awareness and Consciousness identical to our human awareness? What would be your response to that?