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@Jacobsrw be gentle with the lady bruh lol.

Let's flip the script. All these cool matrix ideas that you have are imaginary and what you called Your "imaginary life" is absolute reality. It's as real as it gets. Check in your direct experience and see if that's true. There's no where to go anyways. Your question implies that there is some sort of an ultimate destination to reality..when in fact all that exists is a path without end. There's a reason the matrix exists in the first place. It must be boring as fuck to stay in nirvanic oneness for eternity.

I can sense that. What confused me Leo says there is levels to awakening. I'm convinced that all of reality is itself awakening. So in that sense you could say there is endless levels to awakening that's true which is the same thing as saying there's zero levels to it and this is it lol.

That's true. I'm struggling with obtaining psychedelics tho. But I think I will be able to obtain them sometime in the future.

@Leo Gura how can I know who's "really" awake? . Different teachers have different concepts about what It means to be Awaken and they all think that's the only "real" awakening. Mooji : just realize the "I" thought is an illusion and stay as "isness". Rupert Spira : you are the knowing of experience. Be aware of being aware. Osho : meditate and stay in a silent mind. You : realize that you are God and you created the whole universe. How can I know which one is the highest method?

Says who? Science apparently explained a lot of things. Might not be able to explain everything. But to say it can't explain anything is just ridiculously false.

I think Leo should be the first one who wants science to understand psychedelics and be able to induce the psychedelic experience without actually taking them. Regarding awakening.. I agree with fred (the nonduality teacher they talked about in the other thread) that we are already awake. There's nothing to Awaken to. This is reality.. This is as real as it gets..hello, Can you see it?

Leo enters the chat lol

Yes you did. You now can say I'm talking to myself. No you can't say that. That would mean what Spira said about the multiple finite minds that are separate apparently but unified at the essence. If you deny that and say there's only your mind then you are literally talking to nobody in this forum. But ofcourse you don't assume that. You assume that you are talking to real finite minds. It's not so simple.

Spira says there is multiple finite minds but only one infinite mind (what you call God) That's simultaneously inhabiting these different finite minds. What you say here is 100%solipsism. Which means you (yes you) are literally the only awareness in the entire universe =no one in this forum is actually real outside your awareness of them. So that raises the question : why are you talking to nobody?

Hard pill to swallow but the answer is : literally nothing! . If you manage to find a" thing " that is controlling this experience that you call life let me know.

I think you are confusing two things here. This topic is not specifically about explaining reality or awakening but about just explaining the psychedelic experience.

OK no problem. Understandable

I respect your opinion. And I know that's most people's opinion here. I'm not trying to debate or disprove psychedelics as nonsense or mere hallucinations. I thought the video is interesting and offering the opposite perspective always reveals truth from falsehood. So there is no need to take these studies as debunking spiritual experiences but looking at it from different perspective is never a unuseful thing.

very true!

OK so why you think you can debunk everything I say by just saying they are just concepts and thoughts? .

I can't take a psychedelic for various of reasons. I know we can't ask for sourcing here. But if I could PM you about it would appreciate it.

Do you realize these are also thoughts?

Just so you know. Everything you say are also concepts. But it seems like your concepts are the only true concepts or you are allowed to use concepts and I'm not. I'm tired of people telling me I'm saying concepts. To talk we have to use concepts or we better just shut up. And there is absolutely nothing funny btw.

What do you mean science is a hallucination?. And anything else for that matter? What do you mean exactly when you say something is a hallucination?

OK Leo can you define what imaginary means? Or what do you mean when you say it? Unreal? Doesnt exist? Immaterial? What?

@Jacobsrwwhen you take a DMT you see entities. People think these entities are immaterial ghosts or something. According to science they are just material visuals caused by altered perception centers in the brain that's affected by the drug. That's what I meant. That's not my opinion again. That's what scientific study says. For me that's the most reasonable explanation.

@Jacobsrw you are just spreading these statements as if it's objective absolute facts. You actually don't know that. You don't know if science is capable of explaining psychedelics. There's no reason to not think this is possible. If you do a bit research on the topic you will see it's just a matter of time before it happens. It's a hallucinating drug.. Why would science not be able to understand it like any other chemical when you inject in your body?.

OK thanks. That's a good way to end any conversation btw. It works.