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bare in my mind.. I have practiced meditation for a year -- I could feel this sense of oneness (quicker than that possibly).. and it become palpably clear that I am not my body (exclusively).. mainly from observing the interconnection between every aspect of my direct experience and how they are in some sort of indirect communion.. harmoniously interacting. Yet it seems that the body is the center piece... It's not that awareness is shining from my room door.. From the body. And as far evidence goes.. The body dies.

LOL being a vegetable? How do you know what's that like? ?(Salvia).

Ironic.

Elaborate.. One liner

You are trying to match your direct experience with their experiences . That's exactly backwards.... Start with your own direct experience.. Not with theirs. If you can't verify a guru's Claim in your direct experience then it's not true (for you at least).

Honestly this forum is for entertainment more than serious consciousness work. If you expect it to be more than that.. It was your fault.

@Javfly33 @Javfly33 sounds like a story to me

What do you mean?

Even after the technological revolution in the last 100 years .. And after the internet era where information about whatever subject is now available under your fingertips.. And with the rise of the atheist wave in tandem with this scientific revolution.. There is is still basically billions and billions of people around the world who subscribe to various kinds of religions. And they Believe in all sorts of myths and "unscientific" matters regardless of lack of evidence and the contradiction with scientific evidence. Faith in God.. Or whatever else supernatural and meta-physical aspects of reality seems to fill the existential void in people's lives. It does work for religious people. If it didn't.. They would have left their beliefs. Which should perhaps make it surprising that scientists have found.. again and again.. That those with a spiritual practice or who follow religious beliefs tend to be happier than those who don’t. Study after study has found that religious people tend to be less depressed and less anxious than nonbelievers.. better able to handle the vicissitudes of life than nonbelievers. What's your take on religion? Do you follow any specific scripture or organized religion? What are the keys that distinguish between religion and science and philosophy in that some ( a lot) of people seem to actually lean toward beliefs than evidence-based or logic-based knowledge about the world?

Cute.

What if something and nothing are just concepts.. And the chair is just a chair (as it appears and unknowable)?

@Bazooka Jesus is a chair a something or a nothing?

You can verify it in 5 minutes of self-inquiry. @Yahya great ?.

God told me @Carl-Richard lol.

@Yahya I didn't want to discuss the content of any specific religion or whether it is true or valid. But the structure of religion in general and the epistemic value of "faith" and "belief". But since you insist on that.. I find the concept of "soul" in Islam very interesting if you wanna discuss Islamic flaws. Islam believes that each "person" has a unique soul that is going to be restructured after death of the body in the day of judgment to be "judged" and based on the good deeds vs bad deeds... It's either gonna go to heaven or hell. The proplem with this is (if you are familiar with Buddhist teaching) that there is no individual self for each human organism. There is no self inside of you which is in control of your life and can be 'judged' objectively for its deeds. The modern scientific understanding of the "self" is that its temporary and subject to time and change and death as the body is.. And the 'mind' or 'personality' is not an abstract spiritual essence that is separate from the body.. But it's a byproduct of the brain.. There is no 'self' separate from the body or inside the body.. But rather its an emergent phenomenon of the body.. The body and mind grow together and decay together.. And we can actually change your personality by playing with the chemicals in your brain... A little injection of chloroform can erase your thinking process completely and can turn 'you' into a psycho completely lost control.... That shows you that your self is a byproduct of chemicals in the brain.. And the personality dissolves once you get older enough.. As a result of the dissolve of the neural network in the brain.. You see? That' personality ' completely dissolves in elderly people because it was never a substantial thing onto itself. And there is another issue.. The personality is not just one.. But rather it's a stream of different personalities.. My personality when I was 10 yo is different from when I was 20 yo is different from 30 yo etc.. And each moment there is something that gets added into my "self" and something that gets removed.. So which one of these different selves will get rebirthed at the day of judgement???? The 10 yo me or the 30 yo me or the 60 yo which is a completely different person???? And sometimes people have split personality disorder.. Which is a common mental illnesses.. A person can have two different personalities because of a certain damage in his brain.. Which might make him in some cases behave like a murderer and sometimes not.. So which personality of that person will get judged on the day of judgement??? You see how this doesn't make sense because it assumes this kinda static 'soul' or 'self' that lives inside the organism statically and permanently. There just is no such thing.

@Bazooka Jesus why is there something rather than nothing?

@Cireeric no he said he means it literally. You are imagining your birth (and your entire past) In the present. Memory doesn't prove a past. It's impossible to prove a past. It's impossible to prove anything other than the present moment. Hence "your birth is imaginary".

Life is nothing. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) people only discover this in their last years.

@Yahya why would I do that? That was never the goal of this thread to debunk religion but to search it's positive sides. If you find peace and Happiness with Islam then does it really matter if it's "true"?

Why are you using two accounts? ?

It's completely relative. no objective fools and objective wise.

I wonder the same too.. Because I have no idea what you are even talking about. ? Surprise surprise

Agreed. Yet thread wasn't to compare science with religion.. But what gives religion worldwide upvotes regardless of it's nonsensical aspect. It turns out we agree on that aspect.. Which is it makes people's lives easier.. Provides a sense of purpose.. Morality.. Meaning.. Etc. It's not that it 'actually "delivered that. Morality and the meaning of life etc are of course relative and subjective if we look closely at what" morality " really is. But even a sweet illusion that gives a sense of direction in life simply feels better than the nihilism of atheism. It is filled with errors. But regardless I'm not trying to debate a specific religion here. Contemplate this.. 'religion' is at the ultimate analysis a thought in your mind. A set of beliefs without a believer. Such That the moment you stop holding the belief.. You are no longer a 'believer'.