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@Thought Art great ! But it is my fault . I should've cleared up my terminology so I don't confuse people that I think consciousness isn't eternal.

I'm not denying consciousness. Please try to understand my position clearly . Consciousness exists . But what is consciousness? Its a shape shifting substance that has no ground . What's tripping you up in this inquiry is you imagine nothingness to be black void . No ..nothingness is a shape shifter that takes on endless forms but in its essence its not any particular form specifically

@Thought Art its getting silly at this point . We will keep arguing past each there trying to outsmart each other . Something is nothing. This is the ultimate duality that must be broken to fully awaken. If you don't believe me watch Leo's video why there is something rarher than nothing. Might be illuminating.

I understand.

"All there is " must include division. . Otherwise it wouldn't be all there is ,would it ?

Sweet You are on fire recently. Please continue posting stuff like this . BTW are you aware of the journaling section? Why don't you start a journal there and write whatever comes to your mind there? For me I don't want because my writing sucks lol.

"Absolute is all there is and there is only the Absolute"...I don't entirely disagree..but you have to define the word absolute because in front of me right now there are a chair and a TV screen (two objects ).. I understand that there is no boundaries between objects ..it only appears that way on the macro level ..but if we zoom into any boundary between two seemingly separate objects we will not be able to distinguish them from each other because there is a blur and unity underneath the apparent separation. Interesting stuff .

@Princess Arabia so what happened ?

Yea actually I meant to post it there not here ..sorry..follow me there lol

@Princess Arabia can't really read all that ..tell me a brief description of what exactly did you experience/became conscious of ?

A beginningless thing cannot die because if it can it must've been dead since infinite time in the past . Only that which is beginningless can be endless .and that thing is nothingness aka God.

No worries brother!

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@Thought Art Semantics. Nothing =consciousness =something =physical world.

Like you said: something = Nothingness. You just need to recontextualize how you view physical reality (aka consciousness) to realize first-hand this Truth. I'm not saying consciousness does not exist . I'm saying consciousness is nothing.

No one has found creation..it's just the five sense giving you input from what seems to be an external world . People have seen, heard, smelled, touched and tasted. Then added the idea and names of things to make "sense" of senses. It certainly is radical. But Stacking labels onto nothing.. and it still ends up being nothing. THIS is utterly unknowable.It can't be pinned down because it's already everything & nothing. Its like trying to sit on a cloud..or catch a fart in the wind.

Thanks . Well..There is an old Buddhist saying " form is empty. Emptiness is form". It's basically pointing to the collapse of the duality between somethingness and nothingness. I've realized it many times.. That something and nothing are identical. Not on psychedelics. Just by observing my experience of reality and contrasting it against a dream state . The mistake is thinking that "nothing" is some blank black void somewhere. No.. Everything we are experiencing all the time is precisely nothing. It's completely hollow and unstable. No different than appearance of a Dream. Even scientifically speaking.. If you break down the atoms that make up the universe.. You will get waves of energy. Break down the energry and you get nothingness . We know now through quantum physics that the universe is literally made out of nothing.

Yes nothing new under the sun . What I said is spirituality 101. But I just thought about it carefully this evening and I thought I would share. It's simple. No mental gymnastics are needed . You can easily discover this fact . As @Thought Art said..something and nothing are the same thing . Its ALL nothing but with different densities if you will. The dream state is less dense than the waking everyday world . And the deep sleep condition is even lesser in density. Nothing doesn't become something. Nothing =Something. Again think about dreams at night..are they nothing or something? I'm waiting for your answer to this question but to me the answer is it's both .

Consciousness is nothing .

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@Thought Art I don't claim to be awake . plus i clearly stated that this is a logical deduction and not an awakening to immortality.

OK so that's how you interepert it ..you are basically saying that God is evil motherfucker for creating suffering in the world . But its actually the opposite.. Because God is good ..he has to create every potential being .Read the Islamic kalam(theology) scholars. God knows every possibility before creating it .and out of his mercy and love he brought every single possible being into existence . Because God is in the business of discovering itself . Infinity is endless. Its not all roses and rainbows .some serious fucked shit are inevitable parts of reality . Its a fact . Its done .its over .You have no other choice but to surrender and accept. OK dude .

@Ishanga God has mercy for all its creation. When I see incidents like that video I just remind myself that its all being done by God for the greater good . Its actually a mercy to die as a kid and unite with the God-head instead of suffering for fucking 60-90 years as a human and then die at the end in any case .

Nothing. Obviously.