Michal__

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    9 minutes ago, Consept said:

    I agree there is no way to objectively see things. The law of attraction to me seems to be a way to put the individual as the cause of everything in their life, i think this would be a contradiction to an idea of oneness, which i believe is the case. For example lets say all the atoms in your body had brains and were conscious, so they think theyre individual but are obviously part of one whole thing. They would not have control over what happened to them, the control would seemingly be in the whole, so whatever happened to each individual would be a result of what was happening to the whole. LOA seems to think each atom could control their lives by thinking what they want to happen into existence. 

    @Michal__ This is for both of you, this is an excerpt from an article about the LOA, please read be open minded and give your opinion - 

    "The law of attraction is actually just a candied up version of an old psychological concept called the “confirmation bias.” The confirmation bias is well-studied and researchers have known about it for decades.

    As human beings, we have a limited amount of attention for all the stuff going on around us. Therefore, whether we realize it or not (usually not), we are always choosing what we pay attention to. The confirmation bias is the human mind’s tendency to notice and pay more attention to objects and experiences that match its preexisting thoughts and beliefs. It does this for the simple reason that it is biologically economical and efficient.4

    We’ve all experienced the confirmation bias millions of times, you’ve probably just never realized it before. For example, you spend years not really paying attention to what kind of car people drive. But then the time comes for you to start thinking about buying a car and suddenly you notice the make and model of cars all over the place. You start making decisions about which styles you like and what features you care about. You start noticing these details because, for the first time, they are salient and relevant to your thoughts and desires, whereas before they weren’t.

    Or let’s say that a close friend breaks your trust and you have a huge fight. Suddenly you find yourself thinking back and noticing all sorts of shady and questionable behavior from your friend that you never noticed or thought about before. Things you can’t believe you overlooked or missed. But before, because you trusted your friend, you didn’t notice them. Now that you don’t trust them, you notice a long trail of red flags.

    Essentially, The Secret is an attempt to leverage the confirmation bias to one’s advantage. The idea is that if you’re constantly thinking positive thoughts about yourself, you will begin to notice little things in your experiences that confirm these beliefs, thus helping them come true. On the other hand, if you’re constantly thinking negative feelings about yourself, the negative feedback in your environment will stand out to you, thus making you feel worse.

    The Secret advocates that people assume the identities of the person they wish to become — to actually believe that they are already rich, already skinny and healthy, already in a perfect relationship. Essentially, The Secret tells you to become delusionally positive about yourself for a long enough period of time that your natural confirmation bias kicks in and you only attend to the things in your life that match these new beliefs.

    This may actually be beneficial — at least at first — for people who have some pretty fucked up and delusional negative beliefs about themselves. Simply changing the way you see things from “always shitty” to “always great” would probably have a pretty big impact in a lot of areas for some people.

    But at some point, you actually have to, you know, do something…"

    Now is it possible that LOA is just confirmation bias given New Agey pseudo-scientific language? It does work to and extent and the results are probably the same, this is something that has always been in humans so it stands to reason that it can be seen as age old wisdom, and i guess being able to use it to your advantage is wisdom. Wouldnt this psychological explanation make more sense than the one presented by books like The Secret? It doesnt take away the effectiveness of it, it just takes out the belief in something unprovable. There have been different incarnations of The Secret and im sure people believed them as well, does their need to be a New Agey belief structure behind it? 

    This whole perspective flies out the window after you experience/witness literal miracles.

  3. Posted

    1 minute ago, Consept said:

    I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you, but in what sense is this a 'law'? Are you saying it's a scientific law? As that is usually what 'law' would refer to 

    Metaphysical law, but you could call it how you want if the term is somehow important for you. 

    There are people who literally changed the age of their parents by accident.

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    8 minutes ago, Consept said:

    Can you break down the universal law? I'm not clear on the nature of this law

    Your true self creates EVERYTHING you experience therefore if you are slightly more consciouss than normal you will experience the new age version of LOA, if you were a lot more consciouss you could change more "facts" about reality. 

    Things like telekinesis etc. are just high level LOA.

  7. Posted

    6 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

    It's so frustrating to see so many believing in nonsense.

    You guys don't care about Truth. You believe any nonsense which makes you happy. And other stuff which you want to believe in. That's the only thing you care about.

    Maybe you believe in nonsense. I am pretty sure that all the LOA guys achieved their goals faster than you, regardless of them treating an universal law in a childish manner.

  10. Posted · Edited by Michal__

    What would Dumbledore do? 

    Well I think unitive people can have any profession as long as they can do it in a consciouss manner (they want to provide great value and make good money for it, but do not care if they don't make that much money anymore).

    Also if they didn't want to work, they would just stop working - Eckhart Tolle for example became homeless for a while.

  11. Posted

    2 hours ago, Romer02 said:

    This work with Leo really fucks with people who are in your social group its crazy! I do see them changing in either positive or negative ways based on my behavior. I suppose everyone does this to everyone anyways. 

    My friends literally get drunk much faster because I am in a meditative state which increases their LOC automatically. It was pretty weird when it happened. 

  21. Posted

    1 minute ago, Someone here said:

    This is not a philosophy or a belief. You become conscious of it as being the ultimate truth.   Only thing that exists is nothingness. And that is me. Period.    Ofcourse it's not possible to get it intellectually. Because the intellect is what's working a full time job to prevent this realization. You need to destroy the intellect. 

    Not destroy, transcend. Become consciouss of something more than intellect, not less. Right now intellect is exactly what you should use.