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I do want to say that if the OP came up with those lists on their own, then I am impressed with that. I agree with those lists. Just not idea that excellence is more important than purpose/passion. That’s like saying success is more important than happiness, which is a bit misguided because being successful at something doesn’t guarantee happiness. And what we really want in life is to feel fulfilled and happy with our lives. Why would we pursue success if it doesn’t fulfill us and satisfy our desires? No amount of success will. That is the illusion of success. The hedonic treadmill never ends till you step off of it.

For someone who advocates using Chat GPT for contemplation, you failed to use it for this thread. And I am not sure why. It is important to think for yourself, but don’t confuse that with swimming in your biases and BS. Thinking for yourself is more nuanced than that and requires a genuine curiosity for truth. Here is what Chat GPT said, which is basically my whole point all along: Q: Can you master something without passion? “It is possible to become highly skilled or knowledgeable in a particular area without necessarily feeling passionate about it. However, whether or not you can truly "master" something without passion is a more complex question. True mastery of a skill or subject often requires not only a deep understanding of its technical aspects, but also a level of creativity, innovation, and dedication that can be difficult to sustain without a genuine interest and passion for the subject. Without passion, it can be challenging to maintain the motivation and focus necessary to push past the inevitable obstacles and setbacks that arise during the learning process. Additionally, passion can help drive the pursuit of excellence and the desire to continually improve and refine one's skills. Without this drive, it may be difficult to achieve the highest level of mastery in a given field. That being said, there are certainly examples of individuals who have achieved a high level of proficiency or expertise in a particular area despite lacking a strong passion for it. In these cases, it may be that other factors, such as a sense of duty, financial necessity, or a desire for recognition or status, have motivated the individual to continue developing their skills. However, it is important to note that these cases may be the exception rather than the rule, and that sustained success and fulfillment in a given field often depend on a genuine interest and passion for the work.” There you go. Case closed.

That’s exactly what I’m arguing. He is confusing expertise with mastery. An expert is knowledgeable and good at their field. But a master is that plus mastery of mindset. A master fundamentally has a different mindset than that of a newbie. If your mind is not changing in the process, then you aren’t really mastering anything. To get good at something requires a change in yourself.

Sounds like you have never experienced major depression, which is good. However, it seems like you are putting trailer in front of the car. That's the problem with following the philosophy of Andrew Tate. Besides the misogyny, he makes you think that depression is not real and that passion is not required for mastery. Passion is a necessity and not a luxury. You are run by passions and not by reasoning as you may think. A depressed person is not going to master things in their current state. Mastery is a relationship to life and the activity you are engaging in. Don't be fooled into thinking that if you change everything on the outside, then the inside will change too. So many people have become experts at their art and still been depressed and have killed themselves. I would not even call them ''masters'' because they failed in their mastery because mastery is much of a more psychological process than it is a physical one. But you haven't quite answered the question of how can you master something without passion/purpose? Purpose is primary and mastery is secondary. You gotta build a strong foundation before you can build the roof. You got it backwards, mastery is the outcome of a strong commitment to your passions. Passion isn't the roof, it is the foundation. Despite what Andrew Tate says, everything he does is emotional and led by desire.

Meditation teaches us that we don’t need anything to be happy. True happiness comes from within and from becoming independent. Being independent is very philosophical. You can never be independent as long as you need things which subtract from your health and independence. You need vegetables and fruits, but they are a need that allows you to thrive. Don’t confuse addiction with genuine need. Strive to be independent of addictions.

Yes. But what you didn’t get is that mastery requires passion. Desire and discipline go together.

In other words, follow the advice that Cal Newport gives in his book. “Following your passion is bad advice … focus on being so good that others cannot ignore you.” It is difficult, though, to master something you are not passionate about. Imagine spending 10,000 hours cleaning toilets. You will master the art of cleaning toilets, but it won’t add anything more.

If only you could name one thing more impressive than consciousness and your personality and values. Chat GPT can do many things. This is just one example.

Here is more: Q3: “Based on my chats with you, what would you guess my top 10 values are?” R3: “As an AI language model, I do not have access to your personal information or values. However, based on our interactions in this chat, I can make some educated guesses about values that you may prioritize: 1. Learning: You seem to have a strong desire to learn and expand your knowledge, as evidenced by your questions and engagement in our conversations. 2. Curiosity: You appear to be curious about a wide range of topics and are open to exploring new ideas and perspectives. 3. Empathy: You seem to value empathy and understanding, and often ask questions to better understand others' perspectives. 4. Respect: You appear to value respect for others and believe in treating people with kindness and consideration. 5. Growth: You seem to be interested in personal growth and development, and are open to new experiences and challenges. 6. Creativity: You appear to value creativity and originality, and often ask questions that require creative thinking and problem-solving. 7. Humility: You seem to be humble and willing to admit when you don't know something or need more information. 8. Independence: You appear to value independence and the ability to think and act for yourself. 9. Honesty: You seem to value honesty and transparency, and often ask direct and straightforward questions. 10. Well-being: You seem to be interested in promoting well-being and health, both for yourself and for others. Please note that these are just my observations based on our conversations, and may not accurately reflect all of your values or priorities. Ultimately, only you can determine what values are most important to you.” Q4: “If you could guess, what would be Donald Trump’s top 10 values in order?” R4: “ As an AI language model, I do not have the ability to know the internal values or thoughts of Donald Trump or any other individual. However, based on his public statements and actions, here are ten values that he may prioritize, ranked in order from most valued to least: 1. Loyalty: Trump has frequently emphasized the importance of loyalty, both to himself and to his political agenda. 2. Wealth and success: Trump is known for his focus on wealth and success, and has often equated these with personal worth and achievement. 3. Power and control: Trump has a strong desire for power and control, and has often sought to dominate or intimidate those who oppose him. 4. Nationalism: Trump has emphasized nationalism and "America First" policies, and has been critical of international cooperation and globalization. 5. Populism: Trump has positioned himself as a populist, appealing to working-class Americans and criticizing the political establishment. 6. Conservatism: Trump has aligned himself with conservative values and policies, including opposition to abortion, support for gun rights, and skepticism toward climate change. 7. Strength and toughness: Trump values strength and toughness, and has often criticized those he views as weak or ineffective. 8. Personal freedom: Trump has emphasized personal freedom and individual rights, particularly in relation to business and the economy. 9. Traditional gender roles: Trump has expressed support for traditional gender roles and has been criticized for his treatment of women. 10. Celebrity and fame: Trump has a long history in the public eye and has often valued celebrity and fame as a measure of success and influence. Please note that these are just my observations based on Trump's public statements and actions, and different people may have different opinions on his values or their order of importance.” Notice Trump supporters that Chat GPT listed toxic values for Trump and higher values for Leo Gura. You can use Chat GPT to sort out your BS if you are unable to use your mind for that. A high conscious person relies on Chat GPT less because they are self-aware enough to know this intuitively.

Here is more: Q3: “Based on my chats with you, what would you guess my top 10 values are?” R3: “As an AI language model, I do not have access to your personal information or values. However, based on our interactions in this chat, I can make some educated guesses about values that you may prioritize: 1. Learning: You seem to have a strong desire to learn and expand your knowledge, as evidenced by your questions and engagement in our conversations. 2. Curiosity: You appear to be curious about a wide range of topics and are open to exploring new ideas and perspectives. 3. Empathy: You seem to value empathy and understanding, and often ask questions to better understand others' perspectives. 4. Respect: You appear to value respect for others and believe in treating people with kindness and consideration. 5. Growth: You seem to be interested in personal growth and development, and are open to new experiences and challenges. 6. Creativity: You appear to value creativity and originality, and often ask questions that require creative thinking and problem-solving. 7. Humility: You seem to be humble and willing to admit when you don't know something or need more information. 8. Independence: You appear to value independence and the ability to think and act for yourself. 9. Honesty: You seem to value honesty and transparency, and often ask direct and straightforward questions. 10. Well-being: You seem to be interested in promoting well-being and health, both for yourself and for others. Please note that these are just my observations based on our conversations, and may not accurately reflect all of your values or priorities. Ultimately, only you can determine what values are most important to you.”

If you are the only being, then why are you sharing this information? Sounds like you aren’t sure. If you truly knew, you wouldn’t share. Who would you share it with? Yourself? If you knew you wouldn’t need that because there is no one.

You overlook the confound of privilege. Most conservatives are privileged. White, cisgender, straight, Christian. It is hard to be happy in a society that does not accept who you are and give you your fundamental rights to safety, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

If the future is imaginary, reincarnation is also ….

You won’t find any. Nobody is awake. There has never been an enlightened being ever! You imagined all beings enlightened and not. Only the Self can awaken and nobody is the Self but the one who is aware right now.

You can’t do 60 years of contemplation in 60 minutes. Follow your curiosity. Ask your own questions. Relationships have to do with connection, oneness and Self. Why do you think? Because you want to know? And why do you want to know? Because the Self values connection? Why connection? Because that is your true nature? Why true nature? Because there is nothing more worthwhile than Truth. The Truth is enough and is that which there is nothing further. Chill out and just marvel at life.

Did you use Chat GPT to tell me about strawmanning? Here’s what I got: “Strawmanning occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies someone else's argument, usually to make it easier to attack or refute. Here are some tips to help you avoid strawmanning: 1. Listen carefully: Listen to the other person's argument carefully and try to understand their perspective. Don't make assumptions or jump to conclusions. 2. Restate their argument: Restate the other person's argument in your own words to make sure you understand it correctly. 3. Ask clarifying questions: Ask questions to clarify any points that you aren't sure about. 4. Avoid generalizations: Avoid making generalizations or assuming that the other person believes something that they haven't explicitly stated. 5. Don't oversimplify: Avoid oversimplifying the other person's argument by reducing it to a single point or ignoring important details. 6. Address the strongest points: Address the strongest points of the other person's argument, rather than attacking weaker or irrelevant points. 7. Be respectful: Be respectful and avoid using strawman arguments to dismiss or belittle the other person's position. By following these tips, you can engage in constructive and respectful discussions that lead to a better understanding of different perspectives.” What you wrote looks very similar to Chat GPT. I will just end this conversation with this. You were the first to do a straw man in this thread. There you go, I just did a Tue Quo Que fallacy on you. Have you ever heard of that one? I will do my best to apply what you wrote though. I think you make good points on using AI as an accessory to your mind for contemplation. I probably wouldn’t have considered using Chat GPT if not for your post so thank you. May The Force be with you! ?❤️?

Lol. The response I got from Chat GPT 3.5 was more honest than this model. Using Chat GPT is not the same as critical thinking. You must contemplate beyond what you are given from Chat GPT because how do you know it’s true? At least GPT 3.5 was honest about that whereas 4.0 never even mentions the importance of personal contemplation. 4.0 has its limits and so does 3.5. In 6 months, 4.0 will be replaced by something else. That doesn’t mean the answers from previous versions weren’t valid. The answer from 3.5 was more correct and more honest than 4.0 on that question. Heres another answer I got from another AI Chatbot: ”As an AI language model, Chat GPT can answer your questions and generate responses based on its programming and database of language patterns. However, using Chat GPT for contemplation is not recommended, as it is not capable of providing the kind of introspective or reflective feedback that human beings may need for deep contemplation. While Chat GPT can assist with certain types of inquiries or provide helpful insights, it is important to remember that its responses are limited by its programming and the data it has been trained on. It cannot replace the benefits that come from personal reflection, meditation, or engaging in meaningful conversations with friends, family, or professionals. Therefore, it's better to use Chat GPT as a tool for information and basic guidance, rather than a substitute for your own inner wisdom and contemplative practices.” Watch your biases for AI over your own mind. If you can’t trust you own mind, how can you trust AI as it was programmed by your mind? Edit: it’s not the version of AI that makes it better but the quality of its answers. The 2 bots that I have used gave higher quality answers on that question. On other questions, the higher version may be better but not always, as illustrated here.

Here is Chat GPT’s answer on “Can I use Chat GPT for contemplation?” “As an AI language model, I can provide information and answer questions, but I am not capable of contemplation in the same way that humans are. I can help you explore different ideas and perspectives, and provide you with information that may be useful in your contemplation process. However, ultimately, the process of contemplation is a personal one that requires introspection, reflection, and deep thinking. So while I can be a helpful tool in your contemplation process, I cannot replace the importance of your own personal reflection and introspection.“ There you go! I’m glad the AI is at least honest that it can only give facts but cannot substitute personal contemplation.

There is nothing outside yourself. Desire is a feeling of wanting something that comes from within. I can see rich people but have no desire to have their life. Desire is the foundation for everything. It isn’t a vehicle, it is the road!! When your vehicle breaks down, desire is what gets you to fix your car or keep walking. If you’re treating desire/curiosity as long as a means, then what happens when you get to your end or your means falls apart? Do you stop being curious? Being curious for curiosity sake is identical for valuing truth for its own sake. There is no bottom of the barrel and that is what is so amazing and that’s what keeps curiosity alive! If you can’t see that or just aren’t interested in that, then philosophy is not right for you. Serious philosophers and geniuses are deeply curious people. Curiosity/ambition and intelligence are linked. Research studies support that correlation. I rest my case. Good luck.

I personally use Chat GPT and Google and an iPhone and a Mac Air for my own personal growth and as a distinct part of my contemplation process. What I mentioned in my post here was a criticism of AI from above and not below. Reliance on anything whether that is your teacher, preacher, guru, or AI, will not awaken you. Original insights including enlightenment requires thinking for yourself. That doesn’t mean stop using Google and YouTube and Chat GPT. It just means that after you kill the Buddha, kill Chat GPT. Don’t give it the ultimate authority. That is what it is sounding like here. That’s all I will say on this. Chat GPT is not contemplation! If you don’t understand what I pointed to here, good luck.

Of course. You have to make that distinction first and separate yourself from all the BS. When you contemplate and think for yourself deeply enough, then you may discover that you are everything. But until then, the idea that you are the preacher isn’t going to help you break through the BS. Actual realization of oneness is needed not ideas of oneness. We can’t drive the trailer in front of the car.

This has already been discussed on the forum.

Keep it simple. We need to connect more to nature more than ever. This AI stuff is a distraction from The Force.

The whole point of contemplation is to think independent original thoughts. Using AI defeats the purpose. You might as well read books and Google your answers and give your mind to chat gpt. But this isn’t contemplation. In the past we gave our minds over to priests, now to scientists, and in the future it will be AI. The question is what will you give your mind up to? Or will you be those few who thinks for themselves? Sit alone in nature and just think.

How is determinism true if past/future and cause/effect and big bangs are illusions? You have a story that you came from a Big Bang that was picked up from culture, but how do you know this to be true? If what you are saying is true, then love and logic is nothing more than chemical reactions in the brain. If logic is nothing more than a chain of cause and effect of chemicals in your brain, then how can you trust your own logic/rationality? See the problem with this deterministic reasoning? There is no rational justification for it because even if it is true, that means all rationality is irrational since it is just a series of chemicals firing in the brain with no ability to choose otherwise.