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I don't understand this other minds thing. Reality for me is just me, but not all of reality is just me. Because if reality is just me, I don't know what the fuck God is doing wasting it's time with this loser. I've experienced what I would describe as omniscience and complete understanding. However, in my dualistic life I have a lot of Karma that is negatively influencing my state right now. I feel so many fears and guilts and shames. I don't know if I can even create a meaningful life. Not sure why God would create me.

@TheDao JP has good teachings. But, if you meet buddha in the middle of the road, kill him. I also put myself into this because I have relatively low level of understanding of reality as I am a young person. You are fine. I am not saying you are right or wrong. It's more about the style of interaction I am having with you that is very "You are with us or against us" and then you make assumptions about the aspects of his views we don't like, or you think that those aspects of his view are right. Which is fine. We might not agree on things today. This is reality ahahah.

People come at things with different models and qualities of understanding. Spiral dynamics might not even begin to compute for people who are essentially ideological. Not only Idealogical but epistemologically paper thin. Has few connections. Feels emotional about something, so they don't fully read what you read. Someone projecting their mental model onto your words. You two should use the socratic method ahahah Which is hard when spiral dynamics takes like 50+ hours of study.

Stage green is a pretty deep subject my friend. What are you saying is not encompassing of stage green values, nor all of JP's values on stage green. There is a lot more to stage green than that theory. Green isn't the same thing as ideology, but people centered around green will have their share of false beliefs and true beliefs, beliefs of high quality and lower quality.

@TheDao The seat of emotion is what our intellects sit down on. In my opinion you defending JP from a place in which forestluv isn't even poking you. He is agreeing he is valuable my friend. But, like anyone has good and bad elements.

Everything should be done in balance. unhinged capitalism is, has been and will be very destructive.

Ah, be careful there. A lack of understanding or holistic perspective is not a lack of love. When you mention crocodile tears I assume you are saying he doesn't really care or feel love or passion. JP is very passionate and loving, moved to tears by his work and his message and the postive feedback he receives from people who claim he helped them in their personal lives. You are right about these systemic issues. ...he isn't God and doesn't see all perspectives and has blind spots. Also, I think that might be false that he 'will not vote for a bill to fix corruption'... I think he would stand for things HE thought was corruption.

Nah, man. Leo comes off as so balanced in this video so far. I think Leo, if even imperfectly works to see things holistically.

@TheDao I see those positive aspects of Jordan Peterson as well. His values videos did help me to start cleaning my life up etc. His basic videos about taking responsibility, cleaning your room, etc are very helpful for men. But, him as an intellectual is a lot more than that. Honestly, I am trying to do my own analysis over time of Leo, and of JP. JP is great in some ways. As a young male I know I need intellectual and life skills guidance. JP has systemic, spiritual and epistemological limitations and blind spots. So does Leo. You can't escape it. I feel done with this thread for now. I can't waste my time on JP. I need to put more work into my life. You aren't a lesser person for being lower on the spiral. The whole spiral is different kinds of love.

@TheDao I don't see the connection between your clip and Leos analysis. That clip doesn't prove anything wrong with the video.

@TheDao Maybe that happened. But I didn't see what he tweaked or manipulated about JP. The video was pretty grounded in epistemology and models of development, social sciences, psychology, spirituality, etc... Was it perfect analysis? No. I think Leo called you a devil because you were telling Leo why he acts how he acts and suggesting he does so out of fear and devilry himself. Which, he may. But, I think Leo doesn't do debates for his own reasons which he has stood by for many years. I still need to digest that. But, debates are emotional and are not great for deep truths and analysis. Leo also isn't dethroning him or putting him down. He gave his own analysis on him. Actualized.org exists on a pretty delicate balance that Leo has built over the years. It's really amazing tbh. I would take time to contemplate why you feel the way you do.

I thought the JP video was pretty grounded. There was no attacks, it's pretty balanced and fair analysis given Leo's experience, study and frameworks. It's really a big picture metaanalyis on not only JP but on many of the social movements and conflicts around the world in general. A lot of this stuff I already understood about JP but its nice to see Leo say it. I've thought about posting my own analysis of JP for some time. I felt he was too complicated though and my opinion of him keeps shifting as I grow and mature. He is a real human being with lots of great things to say, and a complicated set of shadows and epistemological structures that contain truths but lack holism and higher level consciousness. He is also very stressed, anxious and paranoid. He also teaches some really great stage blue values I can honestly use more of... I need more of that in my life. I respect JP! I respect a lot of the teachers or public intellectuals out there. Though, I agree with not many of them... The world needs many leaders. None will be perfect, all will have consequences. Leo (or people) can provide a fair honest analysis about someone without wanting to fight them. I think that is the world I want to live in, where we can increase our understandings of things without being at one another's throat. But, that will take time if not eternity ahah We are so used to a confrontational space on Youtube and social media. Let us shift that here as a community to more love and understanding based paradigm.

You can't tell people to rely on God... use your rational faculties or end up like Connor Murphy...

Is sex really as important as we make it out to be in our culture? It seems like even myself have a lot of ideas, beliefs, guilts, shames, interests, desire, rules etc around sex and what is right and what is wrong. But, is it arbitrary and likely to change over the next 1000 years? Will sex become something more divine and understood?

Look up online dating courses and talk to someone. Invest in yourself and you'll be surprsised.

@vedame Masculine dominant, but he his teachings are really feminine. Love, holism, systems thinking etc..

Kevin Wathey's Podcast Synchronicity is a could be a good one

It's not enough. I think finding a consultant would make your life a lot easier.

Win Butler and the Fam nailed their life purpose! "It was wrong but you said it was right In the future I will read at night in the Neon Bible" Personally Leo's work and Win's songs are so related for me in my spiritual inspiration! It's super symmetry or somethin'

There is a way out and it is called Truth.

Qigong

Man, if this many people from around the world talked about me everyday I'd probably lose it.

It is hard in the beginning

I think the important thing is to really think about this. I read a lot of Leo's comments on the forum. I don't see any abusive or rude behaviour. He speaks like a normal person, unfiltered and as himself. You get lost in petty bullshit and can't see the countless hours he spent creating the book list, life purpose course, all his videos etc.... Eh, he isn't a push over and interacts with 1000's of people. He isn't a pussy ahaha. He is God! He is a leader, he is a human. Judging and demonizing others is just a sign of where we are in our journey. Important to hold him accountable as well. He also has weak spots and impurity I am sure. We all do. When you realize that we are all there is... be grateful and thankful one of us (Leo in this case) has tried his best and taken the lead.