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Welcome to a forum where we discuss this stuff. But, please be polite. Take a breathing and come back. @fi1ghtclub You too. Humble yourself. Sarcastic attacks aren't necessary or going to get us anywhere. I think we can ask questions respectfully.

@Inliytened1 It's good. I think this thread is turning into a waste of time. It's like speaking to a shrub. You don't need to pursue truth, or find it interesting if you don't like it. But, exploring relative vs absolute truth, society, science, mystiscm, life purpose, systems thinking, etc is my jam. I guess when what you know takes hours to explain people who haven't actually listened to you will just shit on you. I remember a teacher asking me "would you like to be the smartest person in the world, but you could never share what you know with anyone?" I am starting to see that is the case for most geniuses in our society. A fool can't see the value in what you are trying to share with people. This really isn't about Ego folks. Just, explore reality how you would like to. You don't need to be here. There is other fun stuff in life to explore. But, Truth is a fun and meaningful pursuit for a lot of us on the forum. It's not about Leo, but what become deep thinkings and powerful creators who are deeply loving and conscious can do for the world.

The information here is more nuanced and complex than Adeptus made it out to be. He really made a hit piece given his own biases in my opinion. Leo made true, general statements about the dangers of psychedelics. Adeptus took what Leo was saying as proof of his delusion. As if all his insights were delusional. Leo shares a lot of pretty beautiful insights in his 'experiments in consciousness' videos that really inspired and healed me. Spiritual powers are real, you can develop them if you put in years of practice. Go to a few tantra festivals and you will see... Would you like an infinite orgasm? Find a Tantric priest/ priestess lol. Blew my mind the first time. Scientists, average people are wrong all the time. Being wrong, self correcting is part of the process. Leo shared he was experimenting with something, sharing his process and it didn't work out the way he thought it would. Leo is young, he can still develop this stuff through Qigong or other practices. The confusion around what is real, what is not real is literally what we are all doing here in part. We are exploring the frontiers of truth. Expect mistakes, expect conflict, expect inflated egos and mistakes. But, persist. It'll be worth it. Everyone wins here when the truth is actually revealed, I think. You can't believe anyone but decide for yourself... Because, you are God. There is no one else to turn to. We can explore truth, mystisim, science etc without attacking one another. There are 10's of thousands of listeners and millions over the years. To blame Leo for someone death I think is not fair. However, I think there is more we can do to ensure we all stay grounded, avoid dangerous ideal and cult ideologies. Become your own soverign person, stop giving your power to others. Learn from as many sources as possible, leave no stone unturned. All information is incomplete.

@impulse9 Sharing a stupid meme/ comic isn't really high quality information to make a point. So, your kind of like, falling into your own trap.

This is so deep. I am learning it's going to take years of direct experience to really begin to even comprehend how deep this goes. A lot of people are like floating driftwood. Be an anchor. or a tree with deep roots, over looking the shrubs.

Surely you enjoy being a suffering victim too much to enjoy life. Kindly hehe. Something I think we must notice on our journey is how much we love our suffering and negativity. admiting this we can move on to higher experience.

Start using this app imo: https://www.thefabulous.co/ It will guide you through this. Keep the Car running!

Maybe it just isn't for you. Go find a way to enjoy life instead. Truth is here in this present moment regardless. It's not going anywhere. The focus should be on building a good life and enjoying what is here. Truth helps you do that imo, but it takes work and emotional labour.

Isn't that change? It's a complex system

In my opinion this is only the beginning. You can cultivate a juicy, honey like joy through the cultivation of toaist meditation practice. The truth is not dissatisfaction. I don't think that is the point. You are the only one who can cultivate your inner garden, and you can. Life is not just dissatisfaction. Every insight recorded is happening at a part in your path. Don't HOLD on to any one truth or insight. There are many. The other aspects make sense, impermanence, they are not you... And in some way any materialistic sensation is dissatisfying which is why we want to improve our state.

@HereToLearn Qigong

Is it?

Thinking long term, you will have many partners and leaning experiences.

Lol, I edited the wrong thread.

@RMQualtrough Ahaha, the looks I get doing Qigong sometimes

@Ferretab There are a lot of factors that go into making life beautiful. Brain wave state is one factor, but there are many more. Like your beliefs, ability to inner smile and your Qi flow and quality. The whole nervous system needs to be address not just the brain waves. Like, doing things you enjoy, developing healthy relationships and taking yourself on dates or adventures to find the beauty in life. I like reading Howard Vernon for this reason. I recommend his book "There is a way out". Tasty short nuggets of wisdom.

People are paranoid and there is so many information streams and people spreading fear and misinformation. Be really careful when you use things like "Content vs Structure" to justify your world views or ignorance. Chances are, we are actually mislead and confused about the content and the structure and are bending reality to make things fit our own personal, paranoid, conspiratory mind. If you read that fact checking page, imo its pretty grounded and making key distinctions people need to know. In the age of information when everyone can share whatever they think regardless of qualification we need fact checkers. Instead of shitting on them, look into the structure of information. Believing emotional uneducated people on social media, or believing specialist and doctors from around the world? Or, if you aren't sure why not step into a radical not knowing from an unattached view so you can contemplate, observe and make judgements over time. It's not easy for any of us to know what is really going on. Instead of 'thinking I know the truth' and defending my own narrative, I observe and become a collector of goodies. Collecting information from different people over time and creating a map of probability. Personally, I think my government is doing a good job with Covid and I am very grateful. I don't think there are any conspiracies going on. This is something a globalized world must go through to mature I think.

Ahaha, Yes. Leo is love!

I needed to hear this too. Also getting a therapist. They are amazing, the of the most powerful yet overlooked tools I wonder Leo is like, big picture map, so you get a bunch of tools and ideas to feed your growth and then a therapist is like one of the tools that fits into the map. There are so many tools. Become a collector of goodies.

@catcat69123 Yeah, I've been through waves of this. I found that: 1. Getting a therapist online and having someone to talk to really helps me. I am pretty alone at this time in my life and having someone to talk to, and being able to share with her my thoughts, getting worksheets to develop, having a sense of accountability etc is great. Not even necessarily talking to her, but even just KNOWING I am taking action on my mental health helps. Having someone in real time I can be relatively radically open, and seen in the vulnerability helps me accept myself more too. 2. Focusing only on my locus on control. This whole "I need to save the planet thing" Can take a rest. I can only focus on my own life. By sinking my roots deep in over the next 5-10 years in developing my mind, body, mental models, skills, habits, beliefs, intuition, wisdom, practices, business, financial psychology and financial health etc life become a game of mastery and not this hopeless scary thing. 3. Starting to imagine that I am like a tree. Movement is an illusion. I am developing deep roots focusing on life mastery and, cleaning up how I feel etc and THEN real opportunities to help the planet will arise. And lastly.. Imagine if actually just take 30 minutes and chill, relax, lay on the floor, permission to feel okay. Right now. You actually can't feel okay even if the world didn't have climate change because of your current state. That is the issue. Don't trust you mind, trust your state. Relax, find inner compassion, love. Lay on the floor and do a body scan, breathing comfortably relax every muscle in your body. The everything now is always this everything now. This strange perception of experience in this void. Chilllllll, You Got this. You Got this!

I don't know, I've never felt the need to pay for porn. Don't beat yourself up. Take an hour to openly journal and contemplate about it, and any surrounding issues. Use love here. No reason to feel guilty, but acknowledge it and move forward. More love awaits you on the other side of this. Every realization of incongruence with our values is a diamond if we use it correctly.

@Waken Yeah, I sense a bit something going on. People seem to enjoy his retreats. They seem okay. I can't tell yet if he is very conscious. He is definitely not completely a Zen devil but I am not sure.

@impulse9 Yeah, I think he was into shamanism, he was a psychonaut and he was interested in inner alchemy, botany, nature, etc

There are many facets of your psyche and spirit to work on. Keep going! Reading, practicing meditation and inner smile etc.

Well, he actually does have this video where he mentions these things as possibilities of awakening I think it's simple that Terrence was not a non-dualist. Though, he had similar ideas he was very much into of duality imo.