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Leo does a really good job maintaining it here. It's always gonna be ugly to enforce and too clean. We are dealing with a lot of people of varying education and maturity levels. Honestly, Leo probably has to do a lot of guess work because enforcing this shit is hard. He has his own devilry to deal with, plus everyone else's. Unfortunately there is a 'groundlessness' of control that is always a risk. @allislove Maybe he did. But, maybe there is more going on here. It was not really possible to speak to Nahm at times. These spiritual insights of "not self" or whatever are useful. But we also need emotional intelligence and contextual awareness.

I've had my mistakes around here and with the work. I like to think I have the capacity for some degree of self reflection and integrity. I simply realize... My stay here is not guaranteed. I can control my conduct. But not that of others. It does feel scary on some level. It's difficult to conceptualize everything that goes on with Leo's work cuz its fucking huge and maze like. My inner maze and the 'outer' maze. I don't give my authority to anyone. Especially not Leo. His work, some of the things he says ring alarms of "Learn from him, but do not believe him nor give him a higher elevation over you". So, I respect him and his work. I realize he has a rare mind and I am grateful. I am going to build my own understanding because I think everyone is full of shit to some degree. I AM Reality. So, I am Authority. Yet, I am young and need to build this foundation of experience. I am here for now, to grow and to learn. Whatever comes comes.

I actually just read Leos opening post about demoting Nahm. I have to admit something though I mean no ill will towards Nahm. I noticed early on he was a respected member of the forum. As I have been increasing in my own awareness, reading books, contemplating, having awakenings and stuff I started to notice Nahms style of communication to not be helpful. The more aware and awake you are.... There should be a correlate of being personable, and people being able to speak to you and to find common ground. There have actually been many moments where I felt frustrated with this person because it was like "Yeah, sure, but don't you get the relative contextual situation I am in here at all?" Like, after a point I felt like I was talking to a wall of "Not this Not that" When reality actually "has this and that" and we need to be intelligent and emotionally intelligent enough to communicate with people at their level. It was a bit frustrating for me to read his responses to me at times. Though, yes he did help and at times gave good advice and was a great person to speak to. I like Nahm, but I do not like being spoken to in the way he often does on the forum. It's almost like... people can get so lost in a bubble of concepts (which is what I think is sort of ironic about Nahm) we get lost in these 'spiritual' concepts of "Nothingness" "No self" "Reality is imagination" that we sort of stunt our own intelligence to be human. I don't know what the right thing to do is/ way. But, I agree with Leo his frustrations. Reading the pms between the two of them was also very telling that Nahm could be lacking emotional or contextual awareness. There was times I would share an insight or awakening. He would be like "Thats just thoughts" or "Be like this forum member here" which I found difficult. I had to use these interacts to ground myself further into my own truth. I had to stop unconsciously giving my authority to 'Mods' or 'others' on the forum.

Honestly, Nahm was an important member of the forum. It's complicated because it's a community. But, It's also Leo's business and project. I personally find myself attached to the forum because of the discussions and community here. However, I grow more wary. I'll likely still post here and enjoy it. I just know at any time I could be banned or something so. Won't get too attached.

Dr. Yang Merdian Qigong Super easy to follow along flow exercises I found helped my lower back and my clients really enjoy.

@Mafortu I will think about it but I think Mods being known a good idea. There is BS in every aspect of human social life. Get used to it. Mods do pretty well. They are unpaid randoms for the most part. Just ape stuff (drama)

Nahm is a big boy No shade on him from me I like him. Even if he was hard to speak to on the forum for me personally.

No shade on Nahm

@Nadosa You can delete them you just gonna mash it

@Roy Nahm's sessions are good

These things are not exclusive to one another. After you 'awaken' you are still here in the finite dream. Might as well develop an inner well being and blissful life systems.

There are hundreds of styles of meditation as well which are crucial for embodiment and inner alchemical practices. I've been doing microcosmic orbit, three treasures and inner smile and am seeing results. I've also been doing Taoist Standing meditations which I really really enjoy. Developing pure bliss in my sits! Don't give your authority to any teacher.

I appreciate Leo's work. But, for my life and spiritual needs personally... It's not the only work/ teaching I am interested in. If I only used Leo for spirituality I would be dysfunctional and neurotic. Leos stuff is so 'high level' much of the time and often explained through language. So you need to have a toolkit of practices. Mostly because its a video lecture. Books, journaling, meditation, Qigong and therapy are all Not that his teachings are bad, they are amazing and when used in combination with other teachers and practices are very good. Lately, I've been interested in the Tao and Qigong more than anything. But, that is with the lenses Leo gave me. So, I am trying to triangulate all yall until I get to the Gold Gold. I may not be able to "Awaken" through Qigong and meditation but I am developing a quality of spiritual embodiment you won't through tripping. Though, that is part of a healthy practice as well. Personally, Leo is one part of my spiritual/ practical tool kit. I learn from everyone.

Inner Smile Meditation with a solid Qigong practice https://www.amazon.ca/Inner-Smile-Increasing-through-Cultivation/dp/1594771553/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VMKPOUR24AWP&keywords=inner+smile+mantak+chia&qid=1645541312&sprefix=inner+smile+mantak+chia%2Caps%2C93&sr=8-1 Also https://www.amazon.ca/Awaken-Healing-Through-Tao-Circulating-ebook/dp/B01NGTUSV4/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1N4UTYICE3M80&keywords=microcosmic+orbit+mantak+chia&qid=1645541356&sprefix=microcosmic+orbit+mantak+chia%2Caps%2C58&sr=8-2

Adeptus is more a vocal critic than a 'Troll' Perhaps at time "Troll like"

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I especially like how the young sage goes through a lot of ups and downs as he confronts "dying" at 17. His depression and short term 'madness' etc I saw in myself, and others who pursue awakening. I also enjoy how epic his meditations, the process and steps of purification and cultivation he embarks on and the sheer grit and wisdom this young person has. Very good book to inspire you to do spiritual work and also some of the challenges that can arise. The three taoist wizards who are training him: The wizard of Emptiness, Pure Serenity and Infinity is their title/ attainments. They are passing along their wisdom to the next hold of the Dragon Gate Lineage.. The 18th person to be handed this wisdom. I like also how he does these intense meditations, and also linking to Qigong and other taoist inner alchemy practices. I found it very inspiring. For me meditation, Qigong, etc are really crucial for my spiritual work. Increasing my awareness, improving my circulation of Qi, mindfulness, etc are really important aspects of my path and pursuits. I love Leos work for more the awakening side of thing but I think taoism has a lot to offer my relative existence and spirituality.

Opening The Dragon Gate This is an amazing book for people looking to learn what it takes to go really far into spirituality. It doesn't address psychedelics but from what I have read so far you will find it inspiring and eye opening to the risks, challenges and rewards that deep practice can bring.

I appreciate Nahm. But sometimes found him like, subtly spiritually combative with the whole "Thats just thoughts" thing. I also fall into this fruitless sort of banter so whatever Thats just thoughts is just thoughts too. So, what are we gonna do? Mod or not Mod, he is a good contributor to the forum. Overall, Nahm is a great person to learn from I think.

No, It's a love machine With great wisdom comes great love, great acceptance and great joy. But, the first steps can be a doozy.

Thanks Leo

@Leo Gura people were excited for a new video plus this one seems to have had a lot of anticipation in general. Double whammy.

I managed to buy a reverse osmosis machine new and half price. here is the water. The left is clean and the right it the waste water… these filters last two years. I think it’s a good investment in my long term health. Also, I use a stainless steel kettle and avoid plastics and non stick pans.

You mean all pms in general or in your own pm