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It's a nice video, nicely composed, very well done! I think the essence of the video is great, it gives good vibes. I'm curious about the purpose of it. Since it's more a Yellow composition than specifically descriptive about spiral dynamics Yellow, I think the spiral dynamics reference doesn't add value to it, maybe even subtracts value from the video as a whole. Pointing out spiral dynamics in the beginning and in the title in a way shifts focus towards trying to extract the essence of Yellow, and not the perspective of appreciation that is experienced through a Yellow lens. he video is showing multiple stages phenomena and the video is more the enjoyment and the beauty and appreciation for any stage and perspective, than it is about adding understanding for what stage Yellow is and how it manifests. I'm not a particular fan of the end, it makes it come out as a bit of a fan-boy work (no offence) but the message of Leo builds nicely onto the video content, adding food for thought that causes you to reflect over the content you just consumed. Despite of that fan-boy aspect, it works well. Well done ?

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This might seem contradictory, and to some, just confusing, so I'd like to add more clarity, as this statement is assuming that the difference between "no action" and "no action" is already understood. After awareness and contemplation, we need to choose an action. This has nothing to do with emotional handling per se. We can actively choose our path, or we can remain unaware and have things happen to us. It is only when we choose our path that we become the directors of our own realities. In that sense, you can actively choose not to make active choices, and to flow with what unfolds, that choice of not choosing is paradoxically also an active choice. We should never just let things happen or slide by chance, unless that is our intention. We need to make assertive choices as to how to go forward in order to be constructive and feel at peace. "No action" also includes releasing the hold that the feeling has taken on you, and return to an emotional normal. If you stay e.g. angry, continue having an inner dialogue that keeps the emotion brewing under the surface, then that is not a "no action", it's an action that increases the anger. To actively choose to continue internal dialogue in order to make matters worse is obviously ridicules, and if we go down that route we can recognize that we're actively choosing a destructive path. Even though the emotion will fade away, they always do, they will get stuffed away with suppressed feelings of past as they are unresolved, which means the next time emotions arises, the unresolved and suppressed emotions will act as a fuel supply causing that new anger to burn even hotter, and hotter, and hotter, until the smallest of sparks causes explosion like reactions. This can also mean that you suppress anger, but get irrational or unproportional emotional responses when experiencing some other emotions, e.g. deep shame, guilt, fear etc. Even enjoyment/happiness is affected, the sine wave-like emotional ups and downs start having higher highs and lower lows, something that a lot of people think of as being passionate, feeling great in one moment but feeling terrible in the next moment. Letting go means releasing the emotion and return to emotional equililibrium, and over time brings greater equanimity in life; flattening that sine wave out. "No action" can look like "no action" today, with the added intention to catch the same tomorrow, and to continue making sense out of it then. Or, "no action" can be the postponing of action, to realize that under the flaring heat of emotional waves, we are indeed not very capable to present ourselves in a constructive way. Retreat, release, contemplate, regroup and re-address another time when everyone involved are better able to collaborately and constructively move forward; may be hours, days, weeks later. It's important to be strategic about these things, we not only must be constructive ourselves, but we need to be sensitive towards the state of the others involved, and how receptive they are towards creative approaching. If they are triggered themselves, it will be difficult to get anywhere, it can even be destructive. Staying on this path, will lead to emotional mastery, and an important insight on that path is that there is no one other that can make you angry but yourself - i.e. you make the choices to engage or to not engage with the emotional impulses that arise.

@soos_mite_ah Absolutely! Maintaining healthy boundaries, internal and external ones, is vital to our well-being.

@levani Mastering emotions is a skill that we have to develop. By staying with emotions as they arise, or having an intention to catch emotions sooner and closer to what triggers them, we can get to a point where we can gain better understanding of them. With better understanding, we can learn to let go. An important note on the event-thought-reaction chain, we can learn to add space for thoughts instead of too quickly, or seemingly directly, moving to reaction. When making that space for ourselves, we can make time to examine the sensation and better choose our responses, and learn when no respons is the right way to go. It's not the Whisteling-related anger you need to let go of, that's more a matter of catching yourself and choose not to get on that emotional train. It's the cause of the suppressed emotions that needs to be acted upon, either by confrontation, when suitable, or by examination and letting go by detaching from whatever is found in that examination. If you've got a suppressed trigger flickering under the surface, there doesn't need to be a rational reason to get it to fire you up. It can literally be no reason, such as someone saying something trivial, looking at you the wrong way, seeming too happy, making noise or.. whisteling. Whatever can be used as an excuse to let that pressure out.

If the "suppression box" is already full, then we will get triggered easily, and for apparently no reason or very little, just like as if someone has stuck a finger in an emotional rash of yours, or fidgeting with a thorn sitting in you side. Whisteling is an as valid trigger as anything else when the system is already hypersensitive. Literally no reason is reason enough.

Suppression is alternative 3. 3. You take no action, let it slowly sink back into yourself, maybe because you are afraid of conflict, maybe because you are trying to be the one that don't get upset for whatever reason, maybe you feel shame or guilt for getting upset, or something else. You stuff it back into a box and ignore it. That box gets more stuff added to it over time and at some point, it starts giving you negative side-effects, and at some point the pressure building up will find a way out of the system, and it won't be pretty nor will it be constructive. Always feel into it, where it comes from, if it's rational, etc. Always take action - no action is also an action, letting go is an action. Work on keeping constructive - destructive actions will only create growing problems. If too worked up to constructively address the issue, take a breather, cool down and address another day.

A lot of those "high" and "low" references are really talking about higher or lower quality decisions - which makes the assumption that desired outcomes should be constructive, progressive, adding some value, etc. Achieving some desired outcome, behavior etc, regardless of the quality, is being authentic.

Self-development is general, and self-actualization is more specific, later stage of development. The need for change comes from a need and desire or deficit to meet that creates that incentive to change, for whatever reason, to gain, to improve or to remove something, and that need comes from the ego, so yes, in terms of need to self-develop. The developmental journey constructs the ego and later on transmutes into decontruction of ego. Self-actualization is still driven by ego, into self-transcendence where it's not. So question is where on that developmental progression line you refer to - the answer will be different. One could actually say that the break-point between construction and decontruction of ego is defined by the point where ego has gotten too strong, or "gone berserk", and it causes us to shift into needing that deconstruction.

@Rolo You're going to need to dig deeper, into that anger, and see what it consists of. No easy feat, not when the root cause it so distant that it's hard or impossible to stay in that anger and tap into it, or even chemical. Have you thought about talking with a psychiatrist? Are you able to restrain from turning to that rage, walk away and just sit with it and examine if there are any specific triggers/buttons pushed happening? Finding any commonalities between those occasions, other than just "people".

@Rolo Do you have a lot of suppressed anger? Suppressing anger is going to become a pressure cooker and that repressed anger will find its way out of the system. Two different ways that may come out like would be A pressure valve seeping out anger and aggressive behavior, possibly passive aggressively so, onto people. Explode into rage, and open aggression, attacking people verbally, and possibly physically. The people and circumstances are usually not originally related to that anger that has been suppressed, or thematically related but unproportional in regards to the specific circumstance. Somewhat like a emotional rash, or a thorn in the your side, that gets nudged causing that unproportional reaction. Often it's people close to us that end up on the receiving end of this, people that we are comfortable to go into open conflict with. Can you tell us more? Do you know what the anger is related to, or is it "unspecified"?

@Identity Yes! Horizontal development is the expanding of learning inside the scope of how we currently think, it's getting better at something or learning new skills. Vertical development is getting at the "how" we think, which dictates what we can perceive, what kind of sense we make out of that we perceive and what kind of responses that sense making make available to us - with ever increasing complexity. "Personal development" can be seen as many different things, depending on our world-view, but at the heart, the mechanics of it, is about replacing what we know with something more complex, that "how" of how we think, not "what" we think, which is served by the "how" , but the very complexity of our sense-making process that serve us. Personal development is, so to speak, the upgrading of our human OS that makes new functionality available for use, and new "applications" showing up, as well as the upgrading of our existing "applications" to function better and also them, offering new functionality. This happens in that process, iteratively so. Also vertical and horizontal development feed back into each other. The horizontal/learning adds knowledge and confidence that eventually reduces anxieties that allows us/makes us step outside of our existing world, stretching outside and upward from our comfort zone, and that affects the vertical development, at the same time as that vertical development and the new "how" of the mind puts existing knowledge into new light and opens new doors for deeper learning. Note, this is referring to EDT stages specifically and not specifically to SD stages, but the increasing complexity of ones cognitive sense-making correlates with our perspective and the values we hold, as described by SD. My definition of personal development would be: the letting go of whatever self we identify with and allowing ourselves to play outside of ourselves without the feeling that something is at stake, and without specifically trying to achieve a desire or need, and through the beingness that is development itself; at flux, which is natural, and flow, with no [or as little as possible] resistance.

@StarStruck Tasers has been evaluated for some time now, by Swedish police. They seem overwhelmingly positive towards making it permanent.

Police need to have some way of neutralizing threat, tasers seem like a great tool for that. The tool itself, the purpose of it and how it is actually used are two vastly different discussions. Misue of amount of force is independent of the tools. Misuse a taser, Misuse a baton, Misuse a gun or Misuse of hands or knees. Everything can be all abused when operated by an abusive individual. There will always be abusers, and addressing actual misuse is needed - while not having an impact on the rightful use. Would there be an as effective tool with even less risk for permanent damage, of course, that would be even better.

This is more spiritual growth-related than SD; some kind of diversion via re-identification of self into "someone else" (change name) that emphasizes "something desired" (desired energy manifestation), rather than directly going for dis-identification of the unfavorable ego traits carried with that name, and the detachment of desires. Or possibly just become a symbol, like that guy formerly known as Prince A name is convenient though

Hey, stay open-minded

@WonderSeeker That 10% critical mass for gaining significant traction needs working on the center of gravity (COG) of the society which means Green (G) working Orange (O) and Blue (B) so that the COG can shift upwards. Y would seemingly disappear in the noisy G scene, or be working on helping G becoming healthier and more efficient G, so that G can more successfully guide O and B. The former you wouldn't notice too much, it would appear being very healthy G. The latter is likely to be subjected to the cancelling of anyone that appear not aligned with the agenda of G. An interesting thing with stages that isn't much talked about is the hopscotch style of advancement up the spiral leaning more heavily on every other stages than the intermittent ones. Either being stronger on the "I" line, or on the "We" line. Strong G, presumably having a strong "We" line and B background. Strong O presumably having a strong "I" line and Red (R) background. The cancel culture along with many other phenomena aren't straight-up G, they're a B shadow with G flavor. B creates conformity to the group by demonizing other groups and by the threat of expulsion [or worse], and the group values don't apply when confronting other groups, e.g. religious style crusade thou-shalt-not-kill-conform-to-us-or-die contradictions. Conformity and structure through it is being built strong around fear of the alternative and individuality is stifled. First we have to acknowledge that we're not moving into Y, we're needing to move the COG to solid G and navigate the turbulence around G/B and G/O. Y+ "needs" to work the spiral, individually meeting B, O and G with such approaches that makes sense to them, and help them stretch their sense making towards the adjacent stage. Y gains traction where an explorative conversation exists. At the point we're at in this moment, the more or less non-existing collaborate, constructive conversation needs to find a place, and where/when it does, it needs to be moderated in such a way that it stays constructive and open. Y is the first stage that could gain traction in any societal setting, a societal chameleon of sorts, and working the system without "unreal" expectations on results. That's the primary role of Y (and G/Y) that I see, that will help accelerating development in the short-to-medium term. The year span prediction of Wilber seem plausible within the next 10-20 years, i.e. In the western world, moving from <15% G into G COG, and not Y. I believe that this pressure-cooker of a situation we're finding ourselves in at this moment, in the western world, is setting us up for a G shift within that time-frame and once that happens G changes it focus towards becoming open to the 2nd tier stages and a "quantum leap" could happen, into Y, within a smaller time-frame than that of a O/B to G shift. An aspect to consider here is, as a prominent/influential individual with Y traits, would you risk ending whatever career you have going for you by risking being cancelled out? Maybe. Or, would Y be aware of this risk and do that work in a more-so subliminal way until such a point emerges where openly posing challenges to the system present itself. Y won't be needing to sacrifice self for working the system, it (system) is greater than that, and it (Y) is not ideological in that way. Sustainable, stable, long-term effects is the main concern. And, why rush it? That perceived "rush" is not real. O expression is largely finite and unsustainable, which G addresses, and adds sustainability. Of course, Y resonates with the emergent G values and healthy G will naturally flow with Y. I hope to see a healthy G COG within my lifetime (I'm 45 yo). Living in Sweden, I strongly believe this will happen before not long, and possibly even an early Y COG. For US, I'm not convinced, considering the large B representation and the challenges it poses. That only vaguely touches what you're asking

@Nate0068 ah ofc, I read "icing" makes much more sense now, thanks

Yes that's a tricky thing isn't it, and yes, the ego must be held in place. Entering conversations thinking about development of people isn't a good angle unless your work is doing such development. I'm looking at it as catalyzing constructive and collaborative discussion, and if you manage this, that serves a purpose. That's all we can do to help people change themselves, create a space in which everyone can relax and structure their own thoughts into cohesive speech. The power of the collaborative conversation, and the dynamics of the relationship itself becomes focus points. If these are strong, good things happen, and the content isn't so much in focus but the shared sense making happening at such times, which is happening in everyone involved. The end game can be win-win every single time. I get to test myself and grow equally. If I'd enter a conversation and having labelled the other individual as wrong or bad, then I would be telling you what is right and good, I'd be forcing my own dogma onto you. Someone will loose and something much greater than the topic of the debate will be lost in the process. There are several things coming into focus, maybe better put as several things falling out of focus, e.g. the need to be right, the feeling of knowing, the attachment to ones beliefs, and the attachment to specific outcomes. Such "ego" traits are more-so connected to a need to predict and control where conversations and events should be heading, rather than just flowing with how the conversation unfolds, sensing where resonnance happens and where it does not, and keep experimenting in ones own sense making. If we set out to create specific change, we might be in trouble. If we make positive (relative, subjective) change happen, we're ok. There's also a point where there makes little sense in trying, where collaborative discussion can't be had and falling into debating makes little sense as involved parties will have turned towards their dogma and defenses which is a regression of and not a stretch of the sense making happening. There's always another more beneficial time for a conversation, or some other topic of conversation to be had; with someone, possibly someone else. This was perhaps a separat topic but it goes well hand-in-hand with @BlackMaze's question. Yes, often so. The need to further push ones own development can become strong in an achiever (EDT stage) which is likely to stem from certain pathological phenomena, presenting a particular need/desire to grow i order to overcome "self". How would you know that it's not just that orange-or-achiever side of you that is the ego running amock on a power trip? I think key is in the question itself, and the humility held within the fact that one at all ask oneself that very question. But you wouldn't really know would you? Having that doubt tells you something. If that doubt is missing wouldn't tell you anything, you wouldn't miss it, but would tell something about you But that in itself could be form of self-deception and the ego protecting itself, no? Impostor syndrom also comes to mind.

I agree, especially when used from a 1st tier stage it is conceptual and the dogma from ones own stage development "taint" the viewing of other stages. I see it as particularly beneficial for: A) choosing ones own approaches towards other people to create beneficial responses in others, particularly in meeting the other person on his/her own stage in such a way that he/she allows himself/herself to stretch upwards towards the boundaries of their sense-making. This so that you can catalyze their further development through their own sense-making. B) gaining understanding of ones own development by identifying own limitations so that these can be addressed as well as gaining an idea of what stretches are needed to catalyze further development. Doing this does not involve categorizing or labelling people, and instead primarily serve our own sense-making and the quality of responses we can choose for ourselves.

@Rilles Unsure about the intended format in this thread, but I'll just add a response to your post. There for sure is such a thing as richeous anger, and anger is a magnificent tool that we should use for the benefits it holds. Anger is just an emotional impluse with the function to make us aware that we need to take action so that we can maintain external boundaries. We need to be aware of the vast difference between anger, acting on the emotional anger impulse, and turning anger into aggression. The latter is when we've lost control. Also we need to be aware that people of emotional mastery can appear angry without actually getting carried away with anger into aggression. Acting on the impulse but not acting in anger. Note that it can be beneficial to appear angry when in fact acting from a controlled place where reasoning hasn't been impaired as it becomes when we've turned to aggression. Appearing angry is particularly beneficial when dealing with people that use power and intimidation techniques as their tools. And when using the appearence of anger, when getting appropriate responses we can immediately change our expression to a more diplomatic expression. It's a balanced play. From a strategic outcome driven mindset judgementalism is not beneficial, and with that I mean emotionally triggering judgement and not identifying traits which is a form of judgement but functional in its purpose. Functional in terms of identifying situations and circumstances so that we can choose and try particular responses. "Lashing out" or "pissed" implies having already lost emotional control and is something we should work on. We don't need to "lash out" to act on anger. Anger is simply an impulse around which we need to turn to our sense-making processens in order to find creative responses. That lashing out implies amygdala hijacking based on previous repressed emotions, emotional wounds and overly sensitive triggers. Suppression of any emotion should be avoided at all cost, and we need to find creative ways to process those emotions so that we disarm the underlying causes, and present ourselves in such a way that we can maintain internal and external boundaries as well as to better achieve desired outcomes within related situation.

Gott nytt år ♥️

@Nate0068 Point me towards what "ising" is please google does me no favors

@abrakamowse thanks, looks interesting ♥️

"Bullies" indeed, and who is, what makes and why someone is define as a bully is subjective. Without listening to and exploring understanding of the perspectives of those deemed bullies, each percieved bully - and anyone supporting or defending the line of the ideas of such a bully - is simply defined as "bad" in a constant kind of way. Bad bullies deserve being shut down, and that shutting down warrant themselves becoming bullies in the process. This also includes the pointing out of that counter-bullying from a structural POV and its ineffectiveness and counter-productive nature; never budge, even an inch, when dealing with bullies. The depth of the problems at hand is as a result avoided. Paths forward and solutions are hence not made available. This is the essence of the post-modern contradiction. And it will take yellow to guide this unhealthy green towards a healtier version of green, towards a balanced state where stretching into yellow is possible.