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No. That's wrong. Stage Red is also good. Every stage is good. It depends on how healthy and controlled it is. The point of Spiral Dynamics is not to move to Turquoise and drop the previous stages. The point is to move to Turquoise while embracing and maintaining healthy characteristics of the lower stages. That's what makes you a more balanced, complete human. Every stage has an important function.

@Serotoninluv It's amazing you two have the same question. But to ask me this question is ridiculous. Why? Because I don't need a crisis to change for the better. I change when I see I need to, for love of truth and beauty. You should direct the question to the majority instead. And maybe, also direct that question to yourselves.

@Milos Uzelac No, you didn't bother me. I'm happy you expressed your feelings and you understand my ideas and feelings. But you not using periods is what bothers me. It's difficult to understand. Please use sentences in expressing your ideas next time.

@Apparition of Jack That's an absurd projection. So you would rather die than evolve? Go ahead. I'd rather evolve.

@Serotoninluv You have made some good points. But I have already implied a major tragedy can spark a change also for the worse. I have already clearly mentioned the global situation is very ugly and unacceptable it's worth taking a gamble. So I choose Trump. The ideal situation would be for societies around the world to grow or evolve to Stage Green in a few years or decades. But that's not reality, unfortunately. Societies around the world will eventually evolve to Stage Green but in hundreds or thousands of years. Trump and Stage Red is the wild card.

@Serotoninluv You don't understand. I didn't mean to say a stage red country will jump to stage green because of a stage red crisis. I meant a crisis sparks change. And it can be for the better. A crisis in a stage red country can trigger a change to stage blue. A crisis in Orange can trigger a change to Green. Just introduce a serious crisis, to spark change. The coronavirus is not a stage red crisis nor a stage orange crisis. But it triggered significant change to blue-orange societies like South Korea and Japan. Their governments acquired some Stage green characteristics to cope up. If the coronavirus pandemic gets very serious, countries around the world will unite to fight it. Their cooperation as a way to cope is what triggers changes from Red to Blue, Orange to Green, etc. If Trump creates a very serious crisis in the US, it can spark a change from Orange to Green. If Duterte creates a a very serious crisis in the Philippines, it can trigger a change from Blue-Orange to Orange-Green. The Philippines also has Orange characteristics because it is heavily influenced by the US. Even if it doesn't reach a level higher in the Spiral, a crisis will still trigger good changes. Because humans and societies will be forced to get better to survive. Enough discussion. I have expressed what I want to say. Just read my thread again.

@Serotoninluv But everything is situational. What is important now is immediate change, not change from "below' or "above". Look at the global situation. The developed countries (though they are not actually developed) have extreme wealth inequality, homelessness, health care (people die of illnesses because they can't afford it), 8-5 low salary jobs, depression, mass murder and self-murder (suicide) suffering or problems. The developing countries (though every country is actually developing), also have those problems except mass murder, but with additional mass starvation and extra judicial murder. What else can be worse than this? Yes, Bernie can shake up the status quo from "above" but it will be certainly very slow, especially on a global scale. AS mentioned in my most recent thread, it can take hundreds or thousands of years because societal evolution depends on the "consciousness" of the majority. The global situation is very ugly and unacceptable. It is a very slow, painful death. The world needs to take a gamble. It's sensible to try Trump and Stage Red because immediate change is needed.

@Futarino Trump and Duterte are similar in a sense, they are Stage Red.

@Serotoninluv If I were American and it's either Biden or Trump, I would vote for Trump. It's because of what I just posted. Everything, including Spiral Dynamics is situational or multidimensional, not linear.

@LfcCharlie4 Have you ever experienced this "complete" teaching? I clearly understand it the same way I conceptually understand Leo's teachings. But I don't take them as truth, let alone preach them. Because I don't see them and have never experienced them.

Elliot Rodger wrote "I, Elliot Rodger am a God." in his manifesto right before he murdered humans including himself in Isla Vista in 2014. He didn't do any inner work. He simply had NPD and had trouble with women. So being an incel with NPD is the real shortcut to awakening and beats psychedelics?

LeoMeans: Self == Other && Leo == you && God == you What methods have you used to generate your insights? Is getting high on psychedelics one of them? If so, I wonder why your insights are different from Leo's.

I love it.

@kieranperez You posted a very long story without telling the reasons why you are leaving the forum. Isn't telling the reasons for leaving the point of posting? Moving to India as the reason sounds senseless.

It is a good example of the limits of thinking and rationality. About the death of his wife, he probably contemplated and took action to resolve his pain. He did his best. Leo clearly says in his most current video psychedelics interferes with the "knobs" of reality. If that's true, psychedelics was what the 97-year-old philosopher needed.

Going all the the way to find Truth seems not worth it. It's very painful, confusing, and risky. But there's really nothing to lose. Death guarantees you have nothing else to lose. Life is more of a tragedy than beauty. And to die without knowing yourself, your life, and reality is another tragedy. There's much to learn from Herbert Fingarette. What a short, but beautiful documentary.

But you said you could see how Jesus manifested fish and bread just by imagining them into existence.

Yes. I see it.

@Romer02 Thanks. But I'm not a native speaker of English. Where am I from? I won't tell. Just guess.

@Keyhole I love it.

God is not sleeping. All the horrors you have seen have been disgustingly predestined by God. How did I know? Read this. Now use the same logic or mechanism on how those "mentally ill" people are there in the institution treated like shit. Nothing is random. There are always forces behind one thing existing or happening. Now think about your "mentally ill" family member. There's no way he or she could have not been that way. And I'll tell you three of the forces which made your family member ill. Force 1: He or she got your parents' genes. Mental illness as well as all the other human characteristics is highly genetics. Genes determines what's possible and what's not. Force 2: He or she was abused by your parents (consciously or subconsciously) during childhood, probably was scapegoat. If it's a nasty mental illness like anxiety disorders, multiple personality disorders, or psychosis, it's certainly or almost certainly linked to childhood abuse (mental-emotional, verbal, physical, other abuse). Parents deny this of course. But if they just deeply investigate how they raised their children and be very honest about it, the truth will be revealed. Siblings also participate in the abuse. So do some self-introspection. Force 3: Your family member's self-love has been destroyed as a direct result of Force 2. The same structure applies even if the family member is one of your parents. I do not mean to disrespect you or your parents. But I do mean to destroy the bullshits of parents and psychiatry. Mental illness is not caused by a chemical imbalance. Chemical imbalance is a direct result of the forces I mentioned. It is also my intention to reveal and honor truth.

@Prabhaker Jesus might really be on the same page as Osho and Sadhguru.

I think what Eckhart is talking here is similar to Stoicism, Laotzu-ism, and Leo's "winging it 24/7". But it's very confusing. Is it really possible to implement? Why make a distinction between the Universe's plan and the ego's plan? Why not creation by the ego as the Universe's way of creation? After all, the Universe created the ego. Are there any real-life examples of "winging it 24/7"? Did Bill Gates create Microsoft by the Universe's will or his ego's will? It was probably through his ego's will. But why is Microsoft very successful and impactful? Isn't that an evidence that the Universe created Microsoft through Bill's ego?

So it was unsustainable. How long did you do this technique? Will you do it again in the future?

Yes. You and I need to grow more and things will probably become clearer. But remember, the goal is to simplify things, not complicate. Being simple and direct is high-level beauty.