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My name is Cindy in this scenario btw

These women who hate men, and want nothing to do with them, sure spend a lot of time talking about men. Kinda makes you wonder .

@zurew My knight in shining armour

Hey bros, I love the system by Todd. Reason being that he does phases of game. You basically can say to yourself I need to do X or Y next. I want that but for basic conversational skills. Please can folks help me on this. For example, a 5 stage model of conversation.

*Cindy watches in disbelief and intrigue as guy after guy approaches by showing her comedy videos. She's hesitant at first but slowly finds a quiet charm in this new form of flirting*

I get ya man. Sorry I didn't mean it as an insult. I was just fucking around.

Any further users that challenge the idea of using conversation frameworks will be sentenced to the naughty step . Dissent will not be tolerated.

I know you see my mind as very clever and complex. But what i'm asking for is pretty straightforward .

@aurum You sassier than my lil sister

I like that you are talking about the validity of anger. However, its too black-or-white to tell people to stop running from anger or negative emotions in their environment. I'm concerned that could lead to people staying in dangerous or abusive situations.

@aurum I get where you're coming from. People do you use frameworks as a way of manipulating people, and can put people in their head. However, we use frameworks every day in conversation to help us. For example, introduce ourselves --> Make small talk --> Go deeper. And we all have a specific outcome in mind when conversing. For example, i want us to have a fun conversation where we both learn about each other. If we wanted no outcome, we wouldn't ever talk to them.

@aurum @Miguel1 I understand you guys have positive intentions but I'm looking for frameworks, not evaluations on the pros/ cons of frameworks.

So I created actualized.org? Nice

Agree

You seem to have convictions, and a unique perspective. My concern is your potentially insightful advice is too vague to help him atm. Would be a shame if good advice were missed due to vagueness.

Peterson has been a great resource for me when I encountered evil fucked-up people. He could be a good resource in general for you. Just avoid his new stuff. He isn't the same guy these days.

Why would this be blame-shifting?

What actionable advice do you suggest?

I'm doing system by Todd atm. I love the game stuff. But I don't know so much how to go about the general conversational vibing. Any pointers? In the past, I've done self-amusing. But I end up dancing monkey. So I want to move on from it.

Flipping the script is such a wild experience when you first do it.

Oh my god. I'm gonna apply for euthanasia if he gets elected.

@UpperMaster In my life, the only thing that has ever helped me be less needy is abundance. Which is essentially just being more capable of having your needs met. These days I am more skeptical of these ex-puas who advise on being more authentic. Mark is one of them. It seems to me that they undervalue the importance of the skills they learnt through game. For example, they learnt how to withstand social pressure and have strong frame. Vulnerability without strength/ effectiveness seems overrated to me. David Tian and Neil Strauss had similar journeys, and say similar stuff about vulnerability. And I judge them the same way. If I'm open about by attraction to women, but I don't have the skills to seduce them, then I don't see how that will help my neediness in the way that really matters.

@Monster Energy Yeah religion gets put on a pedestal. My guess is this is because religious disagreement is so apt to lead to conflict. So, pedestalising religion makes society more orderly. Also, its probably just religious folk pedastalising their bs.

@Jirh lmao

Agreed. Great post