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I think its because the sense of objectivity meets these folk's need for clarity, stability and understanding of the world. Also, i think the stage orange and blue worldview that I think conservatives have is very reliant on the maintenance of the idea of objectivism. And I think in their discourse objectivism is a default position. I think saying there is no objectivity to them is probably the same as telling them the sky is gay. However, to my mind, there are countless contradictions and incoherence's that arise in the maintenance of that belief, and to maintain their sense of stability, perhaps, they choose to just continually deny reality, and deny objections, creating elaborate rationalisations to back up their points of view. However, I'd guess that their lives have been pervasively defined by a subculture and upbringing that mirrors these traits of right wing ideology. Say ideas around punishment/ reward style parenting, church as centre of community, being an outcast at school etc. I'd like to share my story actually. I think it could shed some light on a type of personality who becomes a right winger. I used to be right wing myself up until around 20. I was a proud and vocal right wing libertarian who believed in laissez-faire economics. I saw myself as being part of a movement to say western civilization, tho I was civil in how I went about it. I have tried to become conscious of why I adopted the movement so strongly. I'd say my father's behaviour was often authoritarian, controlling, plus also neglectful. And I think that was the key starting point. When I reflect on why the right wingers appealed specifically I think it was because it met a lot of needs that other things didn't meet. The certainty of the messaging, i.e. from ben shapiro or milo yiannopolous seems big. Met my need for a sense of clarity and understanding of the world. The idea of institutional racism being a myth met my need for stability and sense of acceptance. Plus the right wingers approach met my need for empathy, and sense of being understood and that I actually belonged. I would often feel a sense of mistrust towards the right wing talking points and also a sense that I wasn't critically examining them, but I would quickly rationalise that, tho doubt would remain. I think being right wing just simply fit my survival strategy at the time. I think I got out because I happened to have a friend who had bipolar disorder/ npd. So some of the time he would be highly authoritarian and grandiose, which I think met many of my needs like the right wing stuff did. However, when he wasn't in the manic/ grandiose bipolar state, he was also a passionate left winger who seemed adept at politics and caring about people's interests. Consequently, I think the authoritarianism of him met the same needs as the right wing authoritarianism did. Further, I had more needs met by the left wing understanding of the world compared to the right wing one I was used to. Reason being because I wanted to be accepted by him and also it produced less cognitive dissonance in me. Nowadays, I'd say I'm more able to think for myself due to consciousness work. Although, I'd say I only really got out by luck. I find it kinda shocking to contemplate about what the root of my behaviour was in the past and how i was seemingly not aware of it.

I appreciate your providing the question. I find it an interesting one. I don't think it is ever fair to slut shame women. And I don't think its ever appropriate. I would draw the boundary at abuse. And see abuse in this context where people communicate an attitude that shows there is a category of slut and that being part of that category is bad. To my recollection, I personally feel a sense of repulsion when I'm with someone and they sincerely use the word 'slut'. I stopped hanging around with someone last year in large part due to that. If people say, 'When I see a women who I think sleeps around with lots of different dudes, I feel disgusted' I think that is okay. Other people may not like it, but then it is these other people's responsibility to manage their own emotions and draw healthy boundaries, i.e. not associate with that person. Why people slut shame? - Firstly, I think all rationality is essentially baseless and arbitrary, from a purely rational perspective. So the category of slut and the accompanying condemnation is arbitrary. So, it can't be people are calling others a slut because they actually are sluts, rationally speaking. - Secondly, to my understanding, everything we ever do is an attempt to meet a need. So, when people call others a slut they are simply attempting to meet a need. A hypothetical example could be that a first guy saw another guy call a girl a slut. The second guy then calls a different girl a slut so as an attempt to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, i.e. because now has sense of familiarity with other dude. Thirdly, to my understanding, I will note that I think there is a special evolutionary need, not sure which, that is involved with slut shaming. I think revolves around the idea that female sexual promiscuity goes against male sexual strategy because of an inherent need not being met when there is a fear of being cucked. I've learnt about some of the idea from a book called 'Sperm wars', and that's where i think I'm getting that idea from. Overall, I think what Leo says is important and something I find funny to keep in mind. Humans beings are the bullshitting animal.

@KH2 Wow!

Okay, I'm still confused re the subject of my question. I'll leave further questions on it for now. Appreciate your replying

Please don't go btw dude. What would the vegas girls do without you

@Leo Gura I thought maybe you had discovered things in this recent experience, which you interpreted as being in contradiction with previous teachings. To my understanding, a bit like how it seems folks who teach neo-advita have deeper enlightenment experiences which seems to me to get some of those folks to re-evaluate their teachings around enlightenment.

@KH2 Thanks dude. Also, I'd recommend tagging the relevant user in future when you want to reply. I think I only found your reply because I was looking for something else.

I guess what I want to know is whether videos you made in the past few years are now obsolete. Is that so? @Leo Gura Ah man, I really want you to learn and understand about the IFS model of mind. I feel confident that it could be an integrative and holistic step regarding various aspects of your teachings. I think things like psychosis and schizophrenia could become much more understood too with an understanding of that model.

Yooooo, i find that so intriguing. Any links to any articles that talk about this distance vision stuff?

@thisintegrated You believe in some sort of epistemic foundationalism then?

@Leo Gura Would I be understanding you correctly if I saw you as saying that all your previous enlightenment teaching are bs too? Or do you mean something else?

@Leo Gura Has your new experience made you re-evaluate any of your previous teachings? Such that you would like to modify them or see them as obsolete

@Asayake lol

@Carl-Richard Ah I'm dissapointed, I was otherwise curious

Lmao that's me. Why the hate?

I don't believe the human trafficking allegation are true. I'd say he has a lot of orange and red, and a noticeable amount of blue.

@Feonix_Fire Do you have someone who provides you with empathy, understanding, and support who you trust?

Enlightenment 2.0 - Mouse realisation

@Asayake I'd recommend Grayrocking in your situation. Here's a vid. I think Dr Ramani is a useful source in general. If you're feeling up for going non-contact, I'd recommend that. Also, I think there may be a chance that he will try to persuade other people to persuade you to still be friends with him or revert your behaviour back from grayrocking. Its a phenomena known as 'Flying Monkeys', Ramani has videos on that too. In my experience, once you understand how folks with narcissistic personal disorders behave they are rather predictable. However, I have found that it can still be emotionally stressful and confusing even if you know why they are acting in the way they are. I think it will be important for you to be in somewhat consistent contact with a trustworthy person who gets the situation you are in and the behaviour of NPD folks. I think that could help you maintain your sense of reality and perspective.

@Axiomatic Why did you link that video in reply to that comment of mine?

Imo, American society does not adequately account for the unique presentation of needs that the African American demographic has in contemporary society. Also, the socioeconomic status that the demographic is essentially currently locked into. Where society doesn't provide adequate means for people to meet their needs, various subcultures will develop so as to fulfil those needs. I'd say the subculture of hip hop is part of that. Hip hop may give a sense of being seen and understood to a lot of African American folks for example. If you try and restrict that subculture, it will simply be replaced by another subculture. And I'd bet division in society would continue to fracture. Imo, unless you solve the root issue which is that American society is not structured to meet the needs of the African American demographic then subcultures will develop to fill the vacuum. However, the collective ego of America will resist this, as the powerful folks will not like their survival being threatened by societal restructuring. So, they will generally unconsciously devalue critiques of the social order, and present rationalisations of why the social order is to be preferred and present various rationalisations about the true causes of unrest in society. Imo, one of those ways is to scapegoat black culture, i.e. hip hop. Maybe there could be some useful benefits to changing some elements black culture. However, it would firstly have to be done strategically, i.e. provide an attractive enough alternative subculture. Secondly, it doesn't address the root cause whatsoever. So, the same sorts of situations will continue to perpetuate again and again and again just maybe in different forms.

You don't think capitalist systems inherently leads to artificially created demand?

@Axiomatic You want more consideration of male issues?

I'd say, people join because they perceive its more satisfying of their needs than not joining. it meets needs like need for significance, sex, acceptance, ease, understanding, clarity, stability. Probs lots more. For example, I'd say it meets a need for stability and community because a lot of dudes who get into pickup, to my mind, have an outcast identity due to their adolescence and childhood. The idea of pickup as a community that operates outside of social norms meets a lot of these dude's needs for stability (i.e. keep their core identity) and also provides them community. Also, I think you have to factor in all the subtle marketing that many of the pick up artists will use to get you to join and keep you there. I.e. I found that there is a lot of devaluing of folks who leave the community before getting regular sexual experiences, and I think that plays into people's fear of loss of acceptance and loss of significance. Creates a cult like dynamic, imo. So, I think there a lot of dynamics at play. Also, when other groups try to get people to stop pickup, I'd say its usually a lot of stage blue or green folks who try. To my experience, they usually demonise many aspects of pickup. From what I've seen and imagine Green folks will sometimes empathise with various parts of it but don't offer a suitable alternative way that these guys can meet their needs, plus don't account for the cult like dynamics that work to keep many of the guys in the community. Plus I don't think the green folk will be that effective with stage red guys who I'd say are relatively abundant in pickup. So, I'd also say there is the dynamic that pick up folk are not attracted attractive alternatives to pick up. Hence they stay involved.

@KH2 Ah lol